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Reply #75 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:44pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:40pm:

When I lived in Kirribilli. I would often walk across the bridge at night to my job on King St (Westpac) for my graveyard shifts or back from my evening shifts. Often I would recoil in caution during the night passages across the bridge as there was occasionally the idiots who just wanted to harass. Nothing of the sort would haven on the day crossings. Sometimes the recoil and slight curve of direction spoke "leave me alone" to a successful effect. Sometimes, it wasn't enough.

Other than Aboriginals, are there other specific ethnicities that make you feel more wary than others do?

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Reply #77 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:53pm

In Sydney, the criminal element comes from the poor and the West.
In Melbourne, I learned fast that it's the rich boys from the East that go nightclubbing with a length of wood.

Take Australian police for instance.
Sydney police come down hard on the rich.
Melbourne police come down hard on the poor.
Brisbane police take bribes.
Adelaide police will screw your partner or sister, etc.
Perth police are just corrupt.
Darwin police will shoot you.
...the worst police though are the Hobart police. They'll make you marry into their eleven fingered, twelve toed family.

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Reply #78 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 5:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 2:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 1:51pm:

Given that it's not possible to detect pre-conscious bias recoil, it was proposed that those who quibbled were likely defending their self-image by quibbling over their results, which indicated their pre-conscious recoil from ethnocultural images.

Might there be a point to this?

It seems to me like a "bears indeed poo in the woods even when nobody is there to hear it" kind of research finding.

It makes an argument for multiculturalism.

The more we are familiarised with distinct ethnicities, the less we preconsciously recoil at their sight.

There are no good arguments for multiculturalism. It is a fundamentally bad idea.

If I want to see Somalis- big IF - I'd go to Somalia. I don't go to Malmo or Minneapolis to see Somalis. I don't go to London to see Pakistanis and Nigerians or Paris to see Arabs.

Just as you don't go to Nigeria to see Englishmen and Mogadishu for the Swedes and Shanghai's for the Americans and Australians.

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Reply #79 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 6:28pm

Multi Culturalism eventually runs dry.
Take Mt Druitt, even in the 70s. A mix of many different races of cultural differences, but from that (then) isolated bubble of numerous housing commissions, a distinct collective culture of violence emerged. Back then, gangs of mixed race or cultural background prevailed as the toughest due to versatility and adaption.
But now, Mt Druitt is no longer isolated. It's now part of everything else that is Sydney and now gangs are more racially and culturally divided.
Ironic.

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Reply #80 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 6:56pm

Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 5:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 2:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 1:51pm:

Given that it's not possible to detect pre-conscious bias recoil, it was proposed that those who quibbled were likely defending their self-image by quibbling over their results, which indicated their pre-conscious recoil from ethnocultural images.

Might there be a point to this?

It seems to me like a "bears indeed poo in the woods even when nobody is there to hear it" kind of research finding.

It makes an argument for multiculturalism.

The more we are familiarised with distinct ethnicities, the less we preconsciously recoil at their sight.

There are no good arguments for multiculturalism. It is a fundamentally bad idea.

If I want to see Somalis- big IF - I'd go to Somalia. I don't go to Malmo or Minneapolis to see Somalis. I don't go to London to see Pakistanis and Nigerians or Paris to see Arabs.

Just as you don't go to Nigeria to see Englishmen and Mogadishu for the Swedes and Shanghai's for the Americans and Australians.

So that's Aboriginals, Africans, subcontinentals (specifically Pakistanis) and Middle Easterners (specifically Arabs) on your recoil list, then.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52641 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #81 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:33pm Who do Abos, Africans, Pakis, Muslims recoil from? Each other. Not from Danes.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52641 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #82 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:37pm Can a Nigerian or a Somali ever become a Swede or Irish? No. Kvetch on.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15866 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #83 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:37pm Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:33pm: Who do Abos, Africans, Pakis, Muslims recoil from? Each other. Not from Danes. Where are you at with Asians and Polynesians?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52641 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #84 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:44pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:37pm: Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:33pm: Who do Abos, Africans, Pakis, Muslims recoil from? Each other. Not from Danes. Where are you at with Asians and Polynesians? Which one are you?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15866 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #85 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:57pm Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:44pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:37pm: Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:33pm: Who do Abos, Africans, Pakis, Muslims recoil from? Each other. Not from Danes. Where are you at with Asians and Polynesians? Which one are you? Neither
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52641 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #86 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 8:01pm What ARE you, then? You are very cagey about it.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15866 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #87 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 8:10pm Frank wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 8:01pm: What ARE you, then? You are very cagey about it. European.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53070 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #88 - Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 9:30pm Phew! For a minute there I thought you were Swazi ME.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15866 Gender:	Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil Reply #89 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 9:16am Jasin wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 9:30pm: Phew! For a minute there I thought you were Swazi ME. Ah, Swaziland!... The smell of roasting warthog.
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