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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #120 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:46pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:

Incommensurate. Also a category mistake.
Moral judgement is not made by biochemical processes. Values are not chemical and are not reducible to boochemistry.
You can change your values. You cannot change your response to an electric current in your amygdala or your testes.

Wait till you have dementia that has destroyed your insula when you're chowing down on a turd while exposing yoursef to an orderly in the home... something for you to look forward to, eh, Agatha Frank (they/them)...

Yes, you can train yourself not to respond to amygdalic/insula recoil... so, go out and make as many friends as you can with Aboriginals, Africans, subcontinentals (specifically Pakistanis) and Middle Easterners (specifically Arabs)...

You like to start out all learned but then very quickly descend into snarling buggerwittery when you encounter disagreement. Is that your amygdala or anterior insula - or you?
Are you snarling because you want to or is it not really you as you but your amygdala?

Please explain.

It's my recoil from your smug idiocy, Agatha Frank (they/them).

Your teenage deflections, and your fag-like contempt are obvious to all... like a sh!t-smeared dementia patient walking naked in the street.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #122 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:25pm:

You do not see ethnics.

It is not a value free perception like an open palm/stone/bird coming rapidly towards your face.

Ethnics is a moral judgement. Socio-cultural Other is a moral judgement. You cannot MRI scans for it or electrically stimulate the amygdala for it.

Your theory is a compartmentalising, reductionist model. But there is no model for being human. Not mechanical, not cybernetic, not biochemical. They are ALL incomplete. You cant model moral, value judgements, they are irreducible to mechanics.

And this thread is not about ethics or the establishment of values or morals... how many more pages will it take before you comprehend that?

The amygdala sends a pre-conscious recoil signal to warn of a threat. The anterior insula sends a pre-conscious recoil signal to warn of pathogenicity and, in humans, immorality.

And the response from higher brain functions is not instant... the limbic response from the amygdala/insula is.

It's why if you hear a loud bang near you while walking in the street, you will instantly cower without needing to think it out.

It's why when you see a person of an ethnicity perceived as a threat coming towards you while walking in the street, you will likely feel tension in your body.

What your higher brain functions do with that recoil signal after the fact is another subject.

It IS about morals and values. Ethnic AS threat is a moral judgement, not a preconscious brain function.

As I pointed out before, unruly toughies would be avoided by anyone, of any ethnicity, including their own. When you see a threatening person approaching you, you perceive the threat, whatever the ethnicity.

Multiculturalism as promotable, teachable, valorised with with brain 'science' - total bolocks. I am beginning to see that you are a total nutter. Monomaniac nutter. You are totally petrified in your views and no outside light is allowed to be shone on your manias. You are set like a tub of yogurt.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #123 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

No. The question is about amygdala. What is the amygdala doing here.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #124 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:04pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:55pm:

It IS about morals and values. Ethnic AS threat is a moral judgement, not a preconscious brain function.

As I pointed out before, unruly toughies would be avoided by anyone, of any ethnicity, including their own. When you see a threatening person approaching you, you perceive the threat, whatever the ethnicity.

Multiculturalism as promotable, teachable, valorised with with brain 'science' - total bolocks. I am beginning to see that you are a total nutter. Monomaniac nutter. You are totally petrified in your views and no outside light is allowed to be shone on your manias. You are set like a tub of yogurt.

Unruly toughies, now, eh! So that's blacks with machetes, nuns, dark lanes, psychotic Scandinavians, effeminate African choir boys... Anything but an ethnic person or persons walking towards you.

Visual threat is recognised by the amygdala first... it cannot be any other way... What you make of it, as layers of higher brain functioning are applied to the response, including suppressing the amygdalic response, is another matter.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #125 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:05pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

No. The question is about amygdala. What is the amygdala doing here.

There's no 'the amygdala', there's yours and mine.

What does the picture trigger in you?

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #126 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

A lot of white fuckwits like you celebrating a tinted fuckwit.

What do YOU see?

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #127 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:09pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

A lot of white fuckwits like you celebrating a tinted fuckwit.

What do YOU see?

I see a bloke in a mosh pit.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #128 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:27pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

A lot of white fuckwits like you celebrating a tinted fuckwit.

What do YOU see?

I see a bloke in a mosh pit.

Is that a moral difference or a brain chemistry difference?

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #129 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:27pm

It's easy to see why progressives got it so wrong with wokeness.

Amydalic and insula responses to visual stimuli cannot be legislated or coerced away.

It's hard to suppress those instinctive or second-nature responses, even when the subject is willing.

Anyone who has willingly faced a threat to 'conquer' their fear will tell you it ain't easy...

And to expect coercion to succeed against the will... that won't be happening.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #130 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:31pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Analyse this for ethnic cultural recoil. Call an amygdala if you must.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

The question is: What is happening in that crowd to you?

A lot of white fuckwits like you celebrating a tinted fuckwit.

What do YOU see?

I see a bloke in a mosh pit.

Is that a moral difference or a brain chemistry difference?

I've seen mosh pits before.

During those years when you were locked up in a Swiss nuthouse undergoing aversion therapy, the music world was evolving... mosh pit antics have been around for decades.

You should try it sometime... but keep your hands to yourself...

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Reply #131 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 8:56am

There was a band decades ago that triggered the amygdalas of UK citizens, such that extreme actions by the state were considered to crush them...

The lyrics to one of their songs were feared it would 'bring down the state'... and it goes something like this:

God save the Queen, the fascist regime
They made you a moron, A potential H bomb

God save the Queen, She ain't no human being
There is no future In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want, you want And don't be told what you want to need
There's no future, no future, No future for you

God save the Queen, We mean it, man
We love our Queen, God saves

God save the Queen, 'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead, is not what she seems

God save history, God save your mad parade
Oh lord God, have mercy, All crimes are paid

When there's no future, how can there be sin?
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the Queen, We mean it, man
There is no future, In England's dreaming
No future, No future, No future for you...

Spoiler alert... It didn't bring down the state.

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #132 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 9:19am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 5:39pm:

Neither the amygdala nor the anterior insula
makes value judgments...
that is done by higher brain functions

responding to amygdalic/ anterior insula recoil signals of threat or pathogenic/ immoral (in humans) stimuli perceived usually through sensory organs, or persistent, intrusive memories as with PTSD.

Our 'VALUE JUDGEMENTS'

.......are directed by OUR [ingrained, habitual] motives.

Much of human behaviour is directed by our own desire....to achieve a particular objective.

CULTURE....we are the product of it.

Our motives, are the product of.....CULTURE.

ingrained = =
1 firmly established.
2 deeply embedded.

We are what we repeatedly do.
Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
- Aristotle

And evil, embedded in our soul, too......is a product of our own 'focus'.
.....i.e. our 'familiar', repeated choices.

Not so ?

.

The Judaeo-Christian scripture.....is full of AFFIRMATIONS...which can influence our repeated choices.

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night."

Psalms KJV

AFFIRMATIONS...for life.

Psalms 119:103
How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

And yet, many men today, will choose >> to spit << upon such 'affirmations'.

Why ?

Its.....the CULTURE. .....it is the evil.....that is in our souls.

It, is the zeitgeist, of this age.

zeitgeist = = the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history.

Blindness.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #133 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 10:14am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:

Incommensurate. Also a category mistake.
Moral judgement is not made by biochemical processes. Values are not chemical and are not reducible to boochemistry.
You can change your values. You cannot change your response to an electric current in your amygdala or your testes.

Wait till you have dementia that has destroyed your insula when you're chowing down on a turd while exposing yoursef to an orderly in the home... something for you to look forward to, eh, Agatha Frank (they/them)...

Yes, you can train yourself not to respond to amygdalic/insula recoil...
so, go out and make as many friends as you can with Aboriginals, Africans, subcontinentals (specifically Pakistanis) and Middle Easterners (specifically Arabs)...

MeisterEckhart,

Why do so ???

That, could be a very stupid decision.

Shouldn't my association [with others]....be based upon SHARED VALUES ?

association = = a group of people organized for a joint purpose.

WHEREAS......
If i know these persons [who may include Europeans also] are, or would be, 'bad actors' [because of their ingrained, habitual] bad motives],
then WHY would i choose 'sidle' up to them ?

WHY would i choose, to join myself to their CULTURE......
if the CULTURE of another person or group of persons,
clashes with my own 'VALUE JUDGEMENTS' ?
MeisterEckhart said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1751498548/109#109

WHY would i choose, to be NORMALISED [within myself]....to a CULTURE which clashes with my own 'VALUE JUDGEMENTS' ?

They may be, a group wanna-be murderers ! [....and we already know some cultural groups, who embrace such a 'normalised' ....'value' ]

Are you suggesting, that i should i join myself to murderers,
......simply, in order to 'be accepted' by 'that crowd' ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Reply #134 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 10:54am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 5^th, 2025 at 8:56am:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Rod-Getty.jpg

There was a band decades ago that triggered the amygdalas of UK citizens, such that extreme actions by the state were considered to crush them...

The lyrics to one of their songs were feared it would 'bring down the state'... and it goes something like this:

God save the Queen, the fascist regime
They made you a moron, A potential H bomb

God save the Queen, She ain't no human being
There is no future In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want, you want And don't be told what you want to need
There's no future, no future, No future for you

God save the Queen, We mean it, man
We love our Queen, God saves

God save the Queen, 'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead, is not what she seems

God save history, God save your mad parade
Oh lord God, have mercy, All crimes are paid

When there's no future, how can there be sin?
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the Queen, We mean it, man
There is no future, In England's dreaming
No future, No future, No future for you...

Spoiler alert... It didn't bring down the state.

The amygdala is now processing totally abstract moral concepts entirely enclosed in language, dealing with history, politics, manners.

I don't think you even half understand what you are talking about.

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