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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #75 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:16pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that - but the figures speak for themselves.

When you fail to qualify your statement, I am forced to assume that you mean, well, "all" Indigenous Australians, Grappler. If you qualified your language with the word, "some", it would mean "some" Indigenous Australians. You Racists claim that you are English speakers but you mash it up all the time. Time you learnt to read and interpret your own language correctly. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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It may seem righteous to you, but it is off the planet and only creates return hostility.

So does your unwillingness to qualify your language, Grappler. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Dancing around a fire isn't culture ....

According to whom? Most cultures have fire dances at their cores. Indigenous Australians are no different. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Do YOURSELF a favour and lay out for us all PRECISELY what this culture is, Brian. No motherhood comments, please ... and careful what you confess them to be ....

Why ask me? I am supposedly ignorant about such matters, Grappler as your compatriots are always informing me. As far as I know, Indigenous Australian culture is an ancient culture which has evolved over 60, 000 years. It is complex and layered in many different ways and by many different tribes/clans/families/groups/mobs/etc. You lot seem to assume there is only one culture, for some strange unfathomable reason. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There is zero need to qualify anything when discussing the criminal elements. In plain English - you have zero right to assume that any comment is inclusive of all in a group. that may be an easy way for you to evade actually dissing the real problems of any group, but it does nothing fror them or anyone else - and your responses create negative feedback in the loop.

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #76 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you saying that whites and Aborigines are fundamentally, not just superficially, different?

Please explain those fundamental differences.

I have already explained the fundamentals of DNA and cultural differences to you, Soren. That you have failed to grasp them is not my fault. I am not going to do your research for you, it has already been laid out for you to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You said they are superficial, insignificant differences.

Now you are saying they are significant enough to warrant different expectations in behaviour and conduct.

They can't be both. You don't have different behavioural standards just because of superficial, insignificant physical characteristics. That would be preposterous.

Please explain why we can't have the same expectations in standards of behaviour and conduct from people in Australia. Why is it racist to have the same standards and expectations?

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #77 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 12:16am

I did warn you to be careful about what you attribute to them:-

"As far as I know, Indigenous Australian culture is an ancient culture which has evolved over 60, 000 years. It is complex and layered in many different ways and by many different tribes/clans/families/groups/mobs/etc."

So you now state clearly that there was no concept of nationhood or sovereignty over land, water and resources - that there was no organised over-arching government apparatus - and that their entire 'culture' was nothing more than that of a number of wandering small groups and differed for each group - meaning there was no 'culture' as such, and that, therefore, all this talk about 'celebrating their culture' - for example during NAIDOC Holiday - as well as carrying on endless campaigns to 'defend their culture', are all totally meaningless..... all flame and fury signifying nothing. In reality it was anarchy, and that is on the wrong side of history now, along with the ancient raising the flag and claiming and imperialism by the spear and nullah-nullah - tell mothra that for me.

BTW - EVERY culture in history had a time when they danced around a fire... people sometimes still do it for fun ... until the Mad Governors got into the act, there were full moon naked dances on top of Mt Warning around a fire, man .... it's not exclusive to any 'indigenous' groups across the world.

https://motionarray.com/stock-video/dancing-around-campfire-316085/

https://motionarray.com/stock-video/people-dancing-around-fire-in-forest-2230935...

A friendly fire in the wilderness just brings out the primitive in us all...

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #78 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 10:35am

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you saying that whites and Aborigines are fundamentally, not just superficially, different?

Please explain those fundamental differences.

I have already explained the fundamentals of DNA and cultural differences to you, Soren. That you have failed to grasp them is not my fault. I am not going to do your research for you, it has already been laid out for you to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You said they are superficial, insignificant differences.

Now you are saying they are significant enough to warrant different expectations in behaviour and conduct.

They can't be both. You don't have different behavioural standards just because of superficial, insignificant physical characteristics. That would be preposterous.

Please explain why we can't have the same expectations in standards of behaviour and conduct from people in Australia. Why is it racist to have the same standards and expectations?

Yes he's all over the shop. DNA is not superficial.

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #79 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 2:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:21pm:

There is zero need to qualify anything when discussing the criminal elements. In plain English - you have zero right to assume that any comment is inclusive of all in a group. that may be an easy way for you to evade actually dissing the real problems of any group, but it does nothing fror them or anyone else - and your responses create negative feedback in the loop.

So, then, why are Whites so guilty of committing crimes? Why do they murder one another, commit incest, rape each other, commit Paedophila, robbery, theft, fraud so much? Why does the Government tolerate this? Why aren't the elders disciplining Whites, why have they failed to bring Whites under control?

Is the message clear? I am talking about White folk, they act civilised but underneath it all, they are savages, I am not sure they aren't cannibalising their children. Why are so many White women be victims of domestic violence? What is the elders doing about that? Seems very one sided to me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I am talking about a few White criminals but it sounds like I am slamming all Whites, funny that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77052 Gender:	Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism Reply #80 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 8:07pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:44pm: They don't have to when they are discussing the ones who commit crimes. explains why they never discuss the ones doing crimes. For them it's always 'aborigines'
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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #81 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 8:34pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 8:07pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:44pm:

They don't have to when they are discussing the ones who commit crimes.

explains why they never discuss the ones doing crimes. For them it's always 'aborigines'

They don't say that at all - they discuss crimes and some horrible things done.

Boris is a classic - mentions horrible things and you and Brian and a few other loose-mindeds instantly throw on your crusader cloak and try to say he is condemning all Abos for the crimes of some.

As I said to Brian - it may make you feel good to throw around ridiculous terms like 'racist' and such when discussing REAL problems - but it does nothing to resolve those problems.

Take some advice - stay away from mothra - that one is so mentally blind there is no hope... and the hatred in its soul is incredible... that is a lost cause - a houso if ever there was one - and mind bent on something.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism Reply #82 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 10:15pm Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87675 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism Reply #83 - Jun 29^th, 2025 at 10:55pm ... and I thought them boys inb WA what killed that kid were White... just goes to show, eh? Don't look awful white... https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/thugs-drugs-and-absent-mothers-behind-t...
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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #84 - Jun 30^th, 2025 at 1:20am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 12:16am:

..."As far as I know, Indigenous Australian culture is an ancient culture which has evolved over 60, 000 years. It is complex and layered in many different ways and by many different tribes/clans/families/groups/mobs/etc."

So you now state clearly that there was no concept of nationhood or sovereignty over land, water and resources - that there was no organised over-arching government apparatus - and that their entire 'culture' was nothing more than that of a number of wandering small groups and differed for each group - meaning there was no 'culture' as such, and that, therefore, all this talk about 'celebrating their culture' - for example during NAIDOC Holiday - as well as carrying on endless campaigns to 'defend their culture', are all totally meaningless.....

Very well said. I agree totally.

I also totally disagree with this persistent, so-called "Welcome to
country" that seems to precede every damned public meeting
these days—even when there are only non-indigenes present.
Nobody's listening. It's only spouted because of the fear of
aggravating woke do-gooders.

So... What is country? With no "the","my", or "our"?

Before colonisation, Australia was not one country, but approximately
200+ "countries" or "nations". Think of pre-colonial Australia as being
similar to Europe, in the sense that each country was vastly different
to its neighbours. Each country had its own language, lore, traditions,
customs, stories, song-lines, art dance, ecosystems and more.

And, just like Europe, those indigenous "countries" had their share of
bloody wars, with one "country" (or mob) attacking another for some
perception of territorial wrongdoing. Aboriginals seldom moved more
than 200km from their home base, and of course had no idea of
other aborigines living on lands distant from them.

The notion of a singular, united aboriginal (so-called) "nation" is nonsensical.

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #85 - Jun 30^th, 2025 at 5:28am

I have no problem with aborigines being given land to continue traditional living.
We have more then enough rural towns full of white bogans on the DSP and weird freaks on drugs and grog contributing nothing.

Traditional living probably doesn't mean hunting barramundi with a tinny with a lowrance gps and fish finder.

It is the urban aborigines who look more swedish then aboriginal who are the problem.

A massive grift diverting money from traditional communities.

My wife's hospital , 20 beds, is constantly short of nurses.
But they have an indigenous health officer on 100 k .
And for the last month , they have had no aboriginal patients, so " aunty" sit in her office having a snooze .

And " aunty" looks like she's Scandinavian.

Clearly this upsets the other over worked staff and they begin to resent an unfair system
It does nothing for group coherence

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Reply #87 - Jun 30^th, 2025 at 7:41am

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I have no problem with aborigines being given land to continue traditional living.

There are more Aboriginal Australians today than prior to European colonisation. For them all to have enough land to continue traditional living would require us to give them the whole continent, and more. There are few, if any places left in the world with a low enough population density to allow a hunter gatherer lifestyle. They will happily take the land, but they will want a job as a park ranger to pay the bills.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77052 Gender:	Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism Reply #88 - Jun 30^th, 2025 at 8:33am Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 8:34pm: They don't say that at all you need to learn to read
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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #89 - Jun 30^th, 2025 at 9:26am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:21pm:

There is zero need to qualify anything when discussing the criminal elements. In plain English - you have zero right to assume that any comment is inclusive of all in a group. that may be an easy way for you to evade actually dissing the real problems of any group, but it does nothing fror them or anyone else - and your responses create negative feedback in the loop.

So, then, why are Whites so guilty of committing crimes? Why do they murder one another, commit incest, rape each other, commit Paedophila, robbery, theft, fraud so much?

They are not blaming Aborigines for their own deeds. That's the crucial difference that eludes you.

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