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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #60 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:03pm

Boris wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:54am:

June 30, 2022, they represented 32% of the prison population while making up only 3.8% of the general population.

13% child Homicides

53% missing children

Aboriginal Australians in the Criminal Justice System is a matter of long-standing and justified public concern. Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate (Australian Bureau of Statistics 2020).

Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women experience violence at significantly higher rates than non-Indigenous women, with some figures indicating rates up to 34 times higher. This includes physical, sexual, and emotional violence, as well as homicide. Family violence is a major driver of negative health outcomes and the removal of children into out-of-home care.

More bleating about what has happened, hey, "Boris"? And your solution is, what? Anything at all? No, it doesn't appear so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

"has happened" past tense?

Yes, what has happened. I know no other word to describe statistics, "Boris". Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Is happening today and will happen tomorrow.

Ah, so now your in the prognostication game, are you, "Boris"? Fortune telling, hey? What are the winning x-lotto numbers, please? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Nothing is making it better.

It is what it is - Radical Acceptance.

Where? Who's doing that? I suppose it is better the continual Racist based condemnation without offering any solutions? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's quote, "Human nature, if it changes at all, changes not much faster than the geological face of the earth," emphasizes the idea that human nature is incredibly slow to change. He suggests that the core characteristics and tendencies of humanity remain relatively constant over long periods, much like the slow, gradual changes in the Earth's landscape. This quote highlights the enduring nature of both good and bad impulses within individuals and societies.

Well, your lack of offering any form of solution to the problems the Indigenous Australians face in the Northern Territory is showing us that human nature never changes, hey, "Boris"? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #61 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:23pm:

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My expectations are that Indigenous Australians are human beings

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too high for them Brian?

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too low for them, Freediver?

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Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub. Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs. They are WOFTAMs. They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What standards are impossible for aborigines to live up to Brian?

Individually, basically none. Collectively, basically anything demanded by superior Whites who feel they should be pseudo Whites rather than Indigenous Australians who are different to the White society. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Anything at all? Like not breaking the law?

Why do you assume the majority break the law? Perhaps if they were taught what the law actually means they'd obey it. It seems there is something lacking there in your thinking, like an assumption that everybody automatically understands and accepts what the law demands of everybody without finding out if they know what it means to everybody. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I am not assuming anything. I am asking you whether not breaking the law is a standard that you think it is impossible for aborigines to live up to. Also, if they obeyed the law, would that make them "pseudo whites"?

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5681 Gender:	Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism Reply #62 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.
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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #63 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:23pm:

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My expectations are that Indigenous Australians are human beings

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too high for them Brian?

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too low for them, Freediver?

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Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub. Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs. They are WOFTAMs. They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What standards are impossible for aborigines to live up to Brian?

Individually, basically none. Collectively, basically anything demanded by superior Whites who feel they should be pseudo Whites rather than Indigenous Australians who are different to the White society. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Anything at all? Like not breaking the law?

Why do you assume the majority break the law? Perhaps if they were taught what the law actually means they'd obey it. It seems there is something lacking there in your thinking, like an assumption that everybody automatically understands and accepts what the law demands of everybody without finding out if they know what it means to everybody. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I am not assuming anything. I am asking you whether not breaking the law is a standard that you think it is impossible for aborigines to live up to. Also, if they obeyed the law, would that make them "pseudo whites"?

Well, you're assuming that all Indigenous Australians are primitive, tribal people who do not understand modern Australian legal matters, Freediver. Indigenous Australians are a varied lot, some are primitive, tribal people, most are not. Some live in the Northern Territory, the majority do not. Some live in remote communities well away from White people, the majority do not. Some are poorly educated in White ways, the majority are not. Some are not allowed by many White Australians not to be Australians, pseudo or on their own terms. All are expected to live up to the legal requirements of Australians, some are educated to do that, some don't. Some fall foul of a legal system that does not take into account if they do not appreciate the full letter of the law. Perhaps that is the point I'm making, Freediver. Perhaps we need to adequately educate people about their legal obligations? You like many White Australians seem to think that all Indigenous Australians automatically know what their obligations are. Why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #64 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #65 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:23pm:

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My expectations are that Indigenous Australians are human beings

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too high for them Brian?

Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too low for them, Freediver?

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Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub. Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs. They are WOFTAMs. They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What standards are impossible for aborigines to live up to Brian?

Individually, basically none. Collectively, basically anything demanded by superior Whites who feel they should be pseudo Whites rather than Indigenous Australians who are different to the White society. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Anything at all? Like not breaking the law?

Why do you assume the majority break the law? Perhaps if they were taught what the law actually means they'd obey it. It seems there is something lacking there in your thinking, like an assumption that everybody automatically understands and accepts what the law demands of everybody without finding out if they know what it means to everybody. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I am not assuming anything. I am asking you whether not breaking the law is a standard that you think it is impossible for aborigines to live up to. Also, if they obeyed the law, would that make them "pseudo whites"?

Well, you're assuming that all Indigenous Australians are primitive, tribal people who do not understand modern Australian legal matters, Freediver. Indigenous Australians are a varied lot, some are primitive, tribal people, most are not. Some live in the Northern Territory, the majority do not. Some live in remote communities well away from White people, the majority do not. Some are poorly educated in White ways, the majority are not. Some are not allowed by many White Australians not to be Australians, pseudo or on their own terms. All are expected to live up to the legal requirements of Australians, some are educated to do that, some don't. Some fall foul of a legal system that does not take into account if they do not appreciate the full letter of the law. Perhaps that is the point I'm making, Freediver. Perhaps we need to adequately educate people about their legal obligations? You like many White Australians seem to think that all Indigenous Australians automatically know what their obligations are. Why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I am not assuming anything. I am asking you whether not breaking the law is a standard that you think is impossible for aborigines to live up to. Also, if they obeyed the law, would that make them "pseudo whites"?

One thing I am assuming is that you think. Is that giving you too much credit Brian?

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #66 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that - but the figures speak for themselves.

It may seem righteous to you, but it is off the planet and only creates return hostility.

First get in touch with the reality that many make up the highest proportion per capita of crime in Australia - apparently you couldn't care less about dead women and abused and neglected children as long as your fantasy idea of 'culture' is adhered to. The only reason they even consider they have a 'culture' nowadays is because they are surrounded by masses more people from different cultures around the world - and so they have to consider theirs... but nobody can tell us what it is supposed to be other than some facile word to use to claim something special.

Dancing around a fire isn't culture ....

Just watching a thing on Novosti about NAIDOC week, and how they had all these kids in custody doing dances and - Great Snake Forbid - actually getting together even when from different tribal groups!!

Well - NOBODY has any problem with 'cultural dances' here - Polish, Greek, whatever - do it all the time .... but what EXACTLY is this 'Culture' they speak of? And WHY does it predispose so many of them to criminal behaviour?

You can have your culture - we all do to some extent... but if your culture is criminal in nature - you have to learn that is no longer the rules.

Do YOURSELF a favour and lay out for us all PRECISELY what this culture is, Brian. No motherhood comments, please ... and careful what you confess them to be ....

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #68 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that -

only borat, sorend, fd ..to name a few Roll Eyes

They've never said ALL Aborigines ... discussing the actual crime rates automatically excludes from those crime stats those who do not commit them.

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Reply #69 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:26pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that -

only borat, sorend, fd ..to name a few Roll Eyes

They've never said ALL Aborigines ...

they never said SOME aborigines

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Reply #70 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you saying that whites and Aborigines are fundamentally, not just superficially, different?

Please explain those fundamental differences.

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #71 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:26pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that -

only borat, sorend, fd ..to name a few Roll Eyes

They've never said ALL Aborigines ...

they never said SOME aborigines

They don't have to when they are discussing the ones who commit crimes.

You see - there are Abos who don't do the crime and the time - and then there are Abos who do the crime and the time - and nowadays there are Abos who do the crime but not the time... that last is only soluble with a Two State solution - two different ways of life cannot co-exist when one sees nothing wrong with doing crime, including that parents and so-called elders do nothing to alter the ways of those committing crimes.

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #73 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

You need to get away from this infantile fanaticism of assuming that everyone who criticises wrongdoing is somehow including all Aborigines. NOBODY does that - but the figures speak for themselves.

When you fail to qualify your statement, I am forced to assume that you mean, well, "all" Indigenous Australians, Grappler. If you qualified your language with the word, "some", it would mean "some" Indigenous Australians. You Racists claim that you are English speakers but you mash it up all the time. Time you learnt to read and interpret your own language correctly. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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It may seem righteous to you, but it is off the planet and only creates return hostility.

So does your unwillingness to qualify your language, Grappler. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Dancing around a fire isn't culture ....

According to whom? Most cultures have fire dances at their cores. Indigenous Australians are no different. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Do YOURSELF a favour and lay out for us all PRECISELY what this culture is, Brian. No motherhood comments, please ... and careful what you confess them to be ....

Why ask me? I am supposedly ignorant about such matters, Grappler as your compatriots are always informing me. As far as I know, Indigenous Australian culture is an ancient culture which has evolved over 60, 000 years. It is complex and layered in many different ways and by many different tribes/clans/families/groups/mobs/etc. You lot seem to assume there is only one culture, for some strange unfathomable reason. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Survey finds 'significant' rise in racism
Reply #74 - Jun 28^th, 2025 at 10:20pm

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

What we see among too many white apologists for Aboriginal behaviour is the racism of low expectations. They believe Aboriginals are incapable of the self discipline and commitment to improve their conditions and must therefore be protected, much like animals in a zoo.

An interesting point there, Belgarion. Amongst many White condemners of Indigenous Australians, there is the racism of well, Racism. Many set their expectations too high, based on the idea that Indigenous Australians are meant to be pseudo-Whites, not Indigenous Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you saying that whites and Aborigines are fundamentally, not just superficially, different?

Please explain those fundamental differences.

I have already explained the fundamentals of DNA and cultural differences to you, Soren. That you have failed to grasp them is not my fault. I am not going to do your research for you, it has already been laid out for you to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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