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Jun 19th, 2025 at 10:58pm
 
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“ Today’s news that Australian universities are falling down international rankings shows the sector is failing even by its own standards,” said Jack Thrower, Senior Economist at The Australia Institute.“


It’s being called the “ seriously pathetic Bill Shorten effect “.

Barely a month into being a vice chancellor and already Australia universities are slipping behind the rest of the world!

Just like NDIS, everything he touches he ruins.

We dodged a bullet not elected him  as Prime Minister!
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Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2025 at 11:17pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 10:58pm:
It’s being called the “ seriously pathetic Bill Shorten effect “.

Barely a month into being a vice chancellor and already Australia universities are slipping behind the rest of the world!


FMD ... can you get any more pathetic?
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Reply #2 - Jun 19th, 2025 at 11:31pm
 
Is that a challenge?

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Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 3:56pm
 
Australia's universities are blighted by a "culture of consequence-free, rotten failure", according to the former chair of a senate inquiry examining governance at public universities.

"These failures have contributed to damaging restructures, job losses, wage theft as well as a growing sense of abandonment among students and distrust within university communities," Labor Senator Tony Sheldon said.

"There's no other sector in the country where failure is rewarded so handsomely and with so little scrutiny."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-19/senate-inquiry-interim-report-university-...
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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 5:39pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 11:17pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 10:58pm:
It’s being called the “ seriously pathetic Bill Shorten effect “.

Barely a month into being a vice chancellor and already Australia universities are slipping behind the rest of the world!


FMD ... can you get any more pathetic?


Not unless you're held up as a measure of pathetic.
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Reply #5 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 5:51pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-19/senate-inquiry-interim-report-university-...

“ In short:
A senate inquiry examining governance at universities has released its interim report calling for limits on pay for vice-chancellors and senior managers.
The inquiry also called for tougher powers for the university regulator, saying poor governance was letting down staff and students.
The inquiry held hearings around Australia over the last year and heard of students being forced to sit on the floor and their views being "dismissed".

If you think Bill Failure Shorten will be taking a pay cut anytime soon “ you’re dreaming “.
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 10:01pm
 
Australia’s top universities have defended the number of foreigners on campus, which at one sandstone institution exceeded the number of Australian students last year, as international education groups say not enough ­locals want to study STEM.

The Australian revealed on Thursday that international students accounted for one-third to one-half of all Australian-based students at the elite Group of Eight research-intensive universities, with 51 per cent of all ­Australian-based students at the University of Sydney coming from overseas last year.

Go8 chief executive Vicki Thomson said she would “make no apologies” for the fact that international students choose Go8 universities, and said there needed to be “more public investment, not fewer international students” if “we want to reduce reliance”.

Ms Thomson said nearly two-thirds of their international student cohort were postgraduate students, and there was a “distinct difference between under­graduate and postgraduate international students”.

She also said Go8 universities “set the highest English language requirements in Australia” amid official concerns from Jobs and Skills Australia over the lack of English language proficiency of some graduating international students.

At the University of NSW, 45 per cent of locally enrolled students came from overseas last year. Foreign students made up 40 per cent of local enrolments at the Australian National University, which has blamed falling inter­national enrolments for budget cuts, and 43 per cent at the University of Melbourne.

Higher education policy expert Andrew Norton said it was worth “questioning the judgment” of the University of Sydney in letting the number of inter­national students exceed 50 per cent of enrolments, as it represented a “symbolic tipping point”.

The University of Sydney said it had limited its growth “while pursuing increased diversity” and international students now represented 47.5 per cent of all students. It also said 35 per cent were undergraduates and 64 per cent were postgraduates.


Such massive scdle 'international education' is an absolute racket with no sign of abating.
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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2025 at 9:11pm
 
Australia’s universities must stop talking to themselves and start listening to the nation that funds them. If we want to restore our social licence, the public’s trust in what we do and why we do it, we must change our culture from within: put education first, speak plainly, act transparently and serve the national interest before our own.

That begins with a truth. The Australian public doesn’t doubt the importance of higher education; Australians doubt its integrity. They see a sector that has prospered from international students, that is distracted by global rankings and is seemingly unconcerned about our community’s worries. That perception is not entirely fair but it has become reality. A third of Australians say they have little or no trust in their universities. That should alarm us all.

Our response cannot be another marketing campaign or government submission asking for more money. It must be a cultural correction. We need to look Australians in the eye and prove we exist to serve them, their children, their industries and their future prosperity. Most of all, we serve a cohesive, modern Australian society.
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A university should be the safest environment for challenging ideas. Our duty is to make students ready for challenging ideas, not to make those ideas safe for students. We must model intellectual courage, not fear of controversy, not deference to social media outrage, but reasoned debate and rigorous thought.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/australians-dont-doubt-the-imp...
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2025 at 5:55am
 
Australia universities are nothing more than a back door immigration visas scam shops.

They are used by well off overseas students to gain entry to Australia via visas and subsequent permanent residency which then allows the rest of the family to apply to join them.

They are not and haven’t been for a long, long time focus on education or research.

They are simply there as a fancy overseas student school that charges big $$$ in return for Australian citizenship.
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Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2025 at 3:13pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Oct 15th, 2025 at 5:55am:
Australia universities are nothing more than a back door immigration visas scam shops.

They are used by well off overseas students to gain entry to Australia via visas and subsequent permanent residency which then allows the rest of the family to apply to join them.

They are not and haven’t been for a long, long time focus on education or research.

They are simply there as a fancy overseas student school that charges big $$$ in return for Australian citizenship.


I have being through one of the major university.  All I know is the overseas students that I studied with, they are really hard working, and intelligent.  Some of them are streets ahead.   They will be able to get a job anywhere in the world.
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How Australia’s university students are using to AI to cheat their way to a degree
Students are graduating with degrees they never earned as AI tools write their assignments, sit their exams and secure High Distinctions. Why aren’t our universities doing anything about it?



Picture this: it’s final exam week at Macquarie University in Sydney and Hayden, 24, is less than a month away from graduating with a bachelor’s degree in social sciences. It has cost him more than $45,000 and this is his final push to the finish line; his assessments are all conducted online, with students given 48 hours to turn in their answers.

It’s 7.40am, 20 minutes before the exam is due to begin, and Hayden is still asleep. Has he slept through his alarm, exhausted from late-night cramming? Nope. The only work he’s done for this exam is researching which AI tool will cheat him the best marks.

In a minute or two, Hayden will roll out of bed, slap some water on his face and fire up his laptop. At 8am he’ll feed his exam paper into ChatGPT. By 8.06am it will have gifted him 30 correct answers. Hayden knows a perfect score might trip the university’s AI detectors, so he’ll deliberately mangle a couple of responses to get him 94 per cent. Then he’ll wait three hours to mimic a genuine exam effort, before firing his A-plus paper back to his examiner.

Welcome to the death of higher education.

Hayden has now graduated with a High ­Distinction. How much of his final year studies did he outsource to AI? “All of it,” he says without skipping a beat. “It’s completely insane. In my smaller units, AI was covering 100 per cent of my coursework and 100 per cent of my exams. And that’s not me outing myself, that’s me ­outing everyone. You’ve got like, five per cent of students still putting in hours and hours of effort, and 95 per cent of us who are crawling out of bed ten minutes before exams and winging it with AI.


“In my whole degree, I never had an in-person exam. That’s why ChatGPT has gone rampant. It’s just so easy to cheat. There are hundreds of AI sites for us to use and dozens of ways to mix them up to make sure you don’t get busted. In first year, we were all too scared to use AI, but in the past 18 months it’s gone crazy. Now you can get ChatGPT to do your entire degree. In fact, you’d be stupid not to use AI if you want to do well.”

In November 2022, the end of Hayden’s first year of university, he finished with a narrow pass of 55 per cent just as OpenAI launched its Artificial Generative Intelligence juggernaut ChatGPT onto the market. By the end of third year, his marks had rocketed to 85-95 per cent.

“I went from being a bare pass C average to being an A-plus student in 18 months. All I was doing was feeding my essay and assignment prompts into ChatGPT and watching it spit out perfect structure, perfect content, perfect grammar, in three minutes flat. It was ridiculously easy. Then I’d ask a bunch of other AI apps to keep improving it to look more like a human wrote it. I scrambled the uni’s detection software into thinking it was all written by me and my lecturers couldn’t prove it wasn’t.”

Bemused, I ask, “Did you feel guilty?”

“Oh, yeah. Definitely at the start. I was very worried about getting into trouble, but the more I heard that everyone was using it, the quicker it swept away the shame because no one was paying the price for cheating. Everyone was getting through, so the guilt just vanished. It’s a free-for-all. Me and my friends can’t believe how blatant the cheating is. We know some random person walking down the street will know more about our degrees than we do.”

Hayden is struck by another recollection and laughs: “You know, one semester a lecturer decided he was gonna make everyone turn up in person for the exam. There was complete panic because we all knew we couldn’t cheat and our marks would be a disaster. It scared us for weeks – so much so, the head lecturer was flooded with written excuses: ‘Sorry, but I can’t be at uni that day’ or ‘Sorry, I have family commitments’ or transport issues or some other random reason they couldn’t show up. Eventually he rolled over and announced, ‘OK, so we’re going to have to make that exam online.’ It was the biggest relief of my life.”

I’ve been interviewing ­studentsacross the country about the rates of AI abuse in universities – and from undergrads to Honours and Masters students, their confessions of cheating are breathtaking. And not just for their brazenness, but for something more disturbing: an almost universal sense of satisfaction at ­having “beaten” the system. Many smugly describe how easy it is to ­escape accountability. Over and over I’ve heard the same defence: “It’s not cheating if everyone’s doing it.”

Young Australians are now cheating their way through ­university at a rate that’s making a mockery of our sandstone institutions. No longer is the ­accumulation of knowledge a rewarding ­process of brainwork, error and painstaking self-correction. AI is giving students top grades for zero intellectual work.

I’ve interviewed six senior academics in three states, including heads of school in media and communications, physics, mathematics, statistics and chemistry. All but one put student fraud at more than 80 per cent. And yet each of the students I spoke to for this story scoffed at that figure, saying the rate of “full-bore” cheating in their units is more like 95 per cent.

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In just three years, ChatGPT and its Big Tech stablemates – Google’s Gemini, Microsoft’s Copilot, Anthropic’s Claude, Perplexity, Elon Musk’s Grok and others – have subverted tertiary education. Many academics believe our universities are in existential crisis. They say if ChatGPT can write assignments and ace exams, what exactly are universities selling? Why go to university at all if you’re going to ­offload all your studies to a robot?

As Hayden says: “University is no longer a test of your intellect. It’s a test of how well you can instruct ChatGPT.”

Miles, 19, recently deferred his Bachelor of Business studies at Perth’s Curtin University. From the inner-city café where he now works three days a week, he tells me that AI is writing practically every assignment and essay.

“Everyone just dumps them into ChatGPT and then hands in whatever it produces,” he says matter-of-factly. “AI is brilliant. Why memorise facts or do equations or slog it out over an essay when ChatGPT or Gemini can do it in seconds? You get everything in the blink of an eye – any equation, any answer, any essay. It’s all being hacked by AI and the sooner people accept that the better. Stop worrying about what’s right and wrong, because everyone’s using it and you’d be dumb not to.”

Incredulous, I press him again: “Do you know anyone in your year who isn’t outsourcing all their uni work to AI? “
“Nup,” he replies. “Not a single person.”
“Know anyone who’s been caught?”
“Nup. I’m sure there are people stupid enough to get caught copying and pasting whole pages from AI searches, but you gotta tell your AI to ‘humanise’ your work – that dumbs it down to what a guy like me would write.”

“Anyhow,” he adds with a shrug, “Even the lecturers depend on it. They use AI to write the exam papers, we use AI to cheat the exam and then they use AI to grade our papers. It’s nuts.”

He cranes forward: “I’m sure every ­university secretly knows how much their ­students are using AI. But they should just ­forget about trying to control it. Just let it ­happen because it’s the future.”

AI evangelists will proclaim today’s students are merely adapting to the only world they’ve ever known. After all, Generation Z, born ­between 1997 and 2012, have grown up with smartphones, laptops and the internet. And kids have always cut corners to gain advantage, right? How is this different to scribbling notes on your arm, keeping palm cards in your pocket or paying someone to write your paper for you?

AI devotees resort to the standard Silicon Valley defence on ethics: Remember the furore over calculators? That amounted to nothing, right? Calculators didn’t destroy maths. Calculators did the grunt work and freed up students to do more complex thinking. Same with using ­Google search – that was once considered ­tantamount to cheating, but is now embraced as the internet’s gift of information.

These are glib analogies, because ChatGPT doesn’t extend cognition. It’s a parasite that attaches itself to a vulnerable learning ecosystem like a university then starves the host, usurping academics, teaching and learning.

Among faculty staff, the overriding mood is dismay. Lecturers and tutors stare at essays bloated with mechanical phrasing and facile logic that reads nothing like typical student rhetoric. Take this AI slop from a ChatGPT-generated first-year marketing student essay: “The media is an ever-shifting self-referential ­constellation of platforms, intermediaries and narratives that, while ostensibly tasked with transmitting information from events to audiences, simultaneously curates, amplifies, aestheticiszes, distorts and monetises reality itself.”

Or this word-soup submitted by a third-year business student:“A profit-and-loss statement is a formally organised yet interpretively slippery financial summary that, across a nominally defined time horizon, attempts to compress the subjective recognition of revenues, the selectively timed acknowledgment of costs, and the debatably reasoned allocation of expenses into a single net outcome that gestures towards economic performance while demanding extensive contextual explanation to reveal what actually transpired …”

An art history tutor came across this “analysis” in an assessment from a first-year student who admitted to relying entirely on ChatGPT: “The Virgin Mary giving water to a dog in her shoe is a metaphor for mercy.”

Teaching has now devolved into absurdism: academics are well aware they’re grading chatbots, not humans, while students tell me they openly swap tips on how to make their AI-generated “work” sound less like AI.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/weekend-australian-magazine/how-australias-univ...
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Mass education at inflated prices = mass cheating.

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Frank wrote Today at 9:59am:
Mass education at inflated prices = mass cheating.




The monumental absurdity of this situation recalls a joke from the old Soviet Union. Workers described their economic system as simple: “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.” Paraphrased for our universities, the saying might go: “We pretend to teach, and students pretend to learn.” Degrees, essays, lectures and PowerPoints provide the illusion of learning while AI does all the heavy lifting.


The deeper problem isn’t technology. It is education’s purpose.

Education has become a process rather than a pursuit, a system designed to issue credentials rather than create knowledge. Students enrol for the ticket, not the transformation. Which raises an awkward question: If everyone is pretending, why not drop the act? Why hang around for three or four years when your assignments can be churned out by an algorithm in minutes? The traditional university model, built on the idea that a degree represents hard-earned knowledge, is turning into an expensive, time-wasting charade.

When AI becomes ubiquitous, taking on the role of both teacher and student – setting assignments and marking papers – it will be possible to pass a course without learning anything at all. We will have reached the apex of credentialism. Universities could streamline the whole process by simply selling degrees outright: fast-tracked, fully automated, parchment optional. Platinum packages could guarantee high honours. Employers would have their useless certificates, and institutions could devote themselves to what they have learned to do best – property development.

Unfortunately, civilisation depends on passing real knowledge from one generation to the next, not on generating plausible imitations of education. AI can synthesise information, but it can’t seek the truth. It can mimic understanding, but it can’t care.

And when a society forgets the difference between learning and performance, between a mind and a computer algorithm, the result isn’t progress; it’s parody.

Maybe, in a decade or two, we’ll look back and tell our own version of the Soviet joke. Until then, we’ll keep pretending. Students will pretend to learn, professors will pretend to teach, administrators will pretend it all adds up to something called a university.

The AI chatbots, at least, will be honest enough not to care.

Steven Schwartz is the former vice-chancellor of Murdoch, Macquarie and Brunel universities.
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