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Reply #75 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am

Karnal wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 3:42am:

I see. Don't want to answer the question, eh?

No worries. How do you think Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi would fare if he was installed by Bobi, after he turns Iran into the next Gaza?

That's a new question. Try that one instead, Meister.

So it's all whatabouts and whatifs, then...

OK... What if Reza takes control of the country, and the Iranian majority approves? What if he abrogates the Constitution of the Islamic Republic and, heeding the mistakes of his father, convenes a national constitutional convention to determine the best-suited democratic governance model for Iran, with the monarch as the constitutional head of state, or the abolition of the monarchy in favour of an elected ceremonial head of state, with real power vested in a parliament? It worked for Spain after decades of Franco's fascist rule... why not Iran?

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Reply #76 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:48am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 3:42am:

I see. Don't want to answer the question, eh?

No worries. How do you think Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi would fare if he was installed by Bobi, after he turns Iran into the next Gaza?

That's a new question. Try that one instead, Meister.

So it's all whatabouts and whatifs, then...

OK... What if Reza takes control of the country, and the Iranian majority approves? What if he abrogates the Constitution of the Islamic Republic and, heeding the mistakes of his father, convenes a national constitutional convention to determine the best-suited democratic governance model for Iran, with the monarch as the constitutional head of state, or the abolition of the monarchy in favour of an elected ceremonial head of state, with real power vested in a parliament? It worked for Spain after decades of Franco's fascist rule... why not Iran?

No whatabouts, dear. You refused to answer the first question, so we'll ask again. How do you think Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi would fare if he was installed by Bibi, after he turns Iran into the next Gaza?

It's not speculation, it's your plan.

Excuse moi, my autocorrect whacked in Bobi rather than Bibi.

Must have him on its mind, no?

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Re: trump caused the iran war
Reply #77 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

silly nonsense.

Iran is bombed because it cannot be allowed to have nukes. Why does Iran want nukes? To destroy Israel.

Why did Trump and the JCPOA? Because it gave too much leeway and too much economic largess to Iran.

Iran is an enemy of the US and the West, not a friend whose grievances we need to accommodate.
https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/sanctions/sanctions-reg...

You bozos - you, gweggy, Bbwiyawn and your ilk - twist and misrepresent what other people post or say and then declare some sort of victory or time for white flags or 'admission' or some such jejune, primary-school level triumph. Pathetic, retarded childish idiocy.

Yes, and it's Trump's fault they almost have nukes. That's the point of this being on his shoulders!

You're sooo close to getting it. Shed the TDS and open your eyes Frannie.

They were complying, that's not up for debate. Iran was under the most intrusive inspections regime ever negotiated, and the IAEA confirmed again and again: Iran wasn't enriching uranium beyond permitted levels, nor was it developing nuclear weapons.

Trump unilaterally tore up the JCPOA in May 2018, despite every other signatory, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the EU, objecting. They didn't just grumble diplomatically. They went out of their way to publicly affirm that the deal was working, that Iran was complying, and that the withdrawal would sabotage years of diplomacy and destabilise the region.

And it did.

Trump offered no alternative, no plan B, no serious attempt to renegotiate. Just "maximum pressure", which in practice meant slapping Iran with punishing sanctions while demanding even more concessions. Iran, predictably, returned to enrichment after the US violated the deal and reimposed sanctions, exactly what experts warned would happen.

The result?

The US lost credibility not just with Iran but with its own allies.

Biden inherited a scorched diplomatic landscape.

Now we're watching the direct consequence of those choices by Trump, the escalations, the instability, the death of diplomacy.

And still, some try to sell the fiction that this wasn't Trump's doing.

But facts are facts. This is Trump's War.

He blew up a working deal, isolated America, and lit the fuse. You don't get to torch the bridge to peace, then complain there's no path left but war.

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Reply #78 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 7:13am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

it's Trump's fault they almost have nukes. That's the point of this being on his shoulders!

But facts are facts. This is Trump's War.

He blew up a working deal, isolated America, and lit the fuse. You don't get to torch the bridge to peace, then complain there's no path left but war.

The original deal allowed the regime to maintain its public image of not abandoning its nuclear arms program... This allowed the IRGC to maintain its face and covertly continue the program, although at a greatly reduced rate.

It was the best Obama could get from the regime, given the fear of regime collapse at the time, leading to a dangerous power vacuum that could have fractured the Iranian state.

The cash that the Biden Administration handed back to the regime largely went towards sponsoring Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis.

Times have changed, and it appears Reza Pahlavi has steadily built up the confidence of the Iranian people to the point that a uniting alternative head of state is now viable in the person of the Crown Prince, leading a transitional government, thus maintaining the stability and unity of the Iranian state post-regime collapse.

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Reply #79 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 8:46am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 8:10pm:

People forget that, although Obama did strike a deal with the Islamic Republic, the deal allowed Iran not to have to publicly state that it was ending its nuclear weapons program... to save face and prevent a possible military coup.

I would have thought a coup & getting rid of the Mad Mullah radical Islamist Govt has been a wish of the majority of Iranian people for decades?

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Reply #81 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 8:53am

Marla wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 5:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 5:23am:

You need to get on the right side of history and stop reacting and start studying

Yes, you too can have a wonderful career as a bigot and a on-line racist.

Spewing word salad like a retard is a plus.

Sign up today!

What's your excuse ya silly bint?

Oh that's right a drug addled brain.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100491	Re: trump caused the iran war Reply #82 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 8:58am Edited: Don't want to say eh, Meister? No worries, we'll ask FD. FD, do you uphold the use of Zionist proxies in your campaign against the Muselman? That's a question. If you want to chuck a hissy, play whatabout-that or run away, just say.
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Reply #83 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:33am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

silly nonsense.

Iran is bombed because it cannot be allowed to have nukes. Why does Iran want nukes? To destroy Israel.

Why did Trump and the JCPOA? Because it gave too much leeway and too much economic largess to Iran.

Iran is an enemy of the US and the West, not a friend whose grievances we need to accommodate.
https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/sanctions/sanctions-reg...

You bozos - you, gweggy, Bbwiyawn and your ilk - twist and misrepresent what other people post or say and then declare some sort of victory or time for white flags or 'admission' or some such jejune, primary-school level triumph. Pathetic, retarded childish idiocy.

Yes, and it's Trump's fault they almost have nukes. That's the point of this being on his shoulders!

You're sooo close to getting it. Shed the TDS and open your eyes Frannie.

They were complying, that's not up for debate. Iran was under the most intrusive inspections regime ever negotiated, and the IAEA confirmed again and again: Iran wasn't enriching uranium beyond permitted levels, nor was it developing nuclear weapons.

Trump unilaterally tore up the JCPOA in May 2018, despite every other signatory, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the EU, objecting. They didn't just grumble diplomatically. They went out of their way to publicly affirm that the deal was working, that Iran was complying, and that the withdrawal would sabotage years of diplomacy and destabilise the region.

And it did.

Trump offered no alternative, no plan B, no serious attempt to renegotiate. Just "maximum pressure", which in practice meant slapping Iran with punishing sanctions while demanding even more concessions. Iran, predictably, returned to enrichment after the US violated the deal and reimposed sanctions, exactly what experts warned would happen.

The result?

The US lost credibility not just with Iran but with its own allies.

Biden inherited a scorched diplomatic landscape.

Now we're watching the direct consequence of those choices by Trump, the escalations, the instability, the death of diplomacy.

And still, some try to sell the fiction that this wasn't Trump's doing.

But facts are facts. This is Trump's War.

He blew up a working deal, isolated America, and lit the fuse. You don't get to torch the bridge to peace, then complain there's no path left but war.

Bollocks.

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Reply #84 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:46am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

They were complying, that's not up for debate. Iran was under the most intrusive inspections regime ever negotiated, and the IAEA confirmed again and again: Iran wasn't enriching uranium beyond permitted levels, nor was it developing nuclear weapons.

Who do we believe, you or The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors

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IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations
DAMNING REPORT
The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.
"The Board of Governors... finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran ... constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

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Reply #86 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:18am

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:33am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

silly nonsense.

Iran is bombed because it cannot be allowed to have nukes. Why does Iran want nukes? To destroy Israel.

Why did Trump and the JCPOA? Because it gave too much leeway and too much economic largess to Iran.

Iran is an enemy of the US and the West, not a friend whose grievances we need to accommodate.
https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/sanctions/sanctions-reg...

You bozos - you, gweggy, Bbwiyawn and your ilk - twist and misrepresent what other people post or say and then declare some sort of victory or time for white flags or 'admission' or some such jejune, primary-school level triumph. Pathetic, retarded childish idiocy.

Yes, and it's Trump's fault they almost have nukes. That's the point of this being on his shoulders!

You're sooo close to getting it. Shed the TDS and open your eyes Frannie.

They were complying, that's not up for debate. Iran was under the most intrusive inspections regime ever negotiated, and the IAEA confirmed again and again: Iran wasn't enriching uranium beyond permitted levels, nor was it developing nuclear weapons.

Trump unilaterally tore up the JCPOA in May 2018, despite every other signatory, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the EU, objecting. They didn't just grumble diplomatically. They went out of their way to publicly affirm that the deal was working, that Iran was complying, and that the withdrawal would sabotage years of diplomacy and destabilise the region.

And it did.

Trump offered no alternative, no plan B, no serious attempt to renegotiate. Just "maximum pressure", which in practice meant slapping Iran with punishing sanctions while demanding even more concessions. Iran, predictably, returned to enrichment after the US violated the deal and reimposed sanctions, exactly what experts warned would happen.

The result?

The US lost credibility not just with Iran but with its own allies.

Biden inherited a scorched diplomatic landscape.

Now we're watching the direct consequence of those choices by Trump, the escalations, the instability, the death of diplomacy.

And still, some try to sell the fiction that this wasn't Trump's doing.

But facts are facts. This is Trump's War.

He blew up a working deal, isolated America, and lit the fuse. You don't get to torch the bridge to peace, then complain there's no path left but war.

Bollocks.

Everything he said is true.

You just can't handle the truth.

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Reply #87 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:39am

Leroy wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 7:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 7:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 7:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 6:19pm:

The IAEA reports said it all Israel didn't have to say anything.

That was a direct result of trump screwing up the deal previously made.

The art of the deal Grin

He's such a loser (and rapist).

Greg can hardly pay his rent and Trump is two time President of US, most powerful person on the planet, multi billionaire and Greg spends every day talking about him. Yes Greg Trump is such a loser.

Trump was the worst American President ever in his first term, Now Trump has clearly deposed his previous position and is the new worst US President ever. Trump is the two worst presidents and it isn't even close.

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Reply #88 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:42am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

Leroy wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 7:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 7:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 7:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 6:19pm:

The IAEA reports said it all Israel didn't have to say anything.

That was a direct result of trump screwing up the deal previously made.

The art of the deal Grin

He's such a loser (and rapist).

Greg can hardly pay his rent and Trump is two time President of US, most powerful person on the planet, multi billionaire and Greg spends every day talking about him. Yes Greg Trump is such a loser.

Trump was the worst American President ever in his first term, Now Trump has clearly deposed his previous position and is the new worst US President ever. Trump is the two worst presidents and it isn't even close.

I think we can safely replace the word 'president' with ' citizen'.

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Reply #89 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:18am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:33am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

silly nonsense.

Iran is bombed because it cannot be allowed to have nukes. Why does Iran want nukes? To destroy Israel.

Why did Trump and the JCPOA? Because it gave too much leeway and too much economic largess to Iran.

Iran is an enemy of the US and the West, not a friend whose grievances we need to accommodate.
https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/sanctions/sanctions-reg...

You bozos - you, gweggy, Bbwiyawn and your ilk - twist and misrepresent what other people post or say and then declare some sort of victory or time for white flags or 'admission' or some such jejune, primary-school level triumph. Pathetic, retarded childish idiocy.

Yes, and it's Trump's fault they almost have nukes. That's the point of this being on his shoulders!

You're sooo close to getting it. Shed the TDS and open your eyes Frannie.

They were complying, that's not up for debate. Iran was under the most intrusive inspections regime ever negotiated, and the IAEA confirmed again and again: Iran wasn't enriching uranium beyond permitted levels, nor was it developing nuclear weapons.

Trump unilaterally tore up the JCPOA in May 2018, despite every other signatory, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the EU, objecting. They didn't just grumble diplomatically. They went out of their way to publicly affirm that the deal was working, that Iran was complying, and that the withdrawal would sabotage years of diplomacy and destabilise the region.

And it did.

Trump offered no alternative, no plan B, no serious attempt to renegotiate. Just "maximum pressure", which in practice meant slapping Iran with punishing sanctions while demanding even more concessions. Iran, predictably, returned to enrichment after the US violated the deal and reimposed sanctions, exactly what experts warned would happen.

The result?

The US lost credibility not just with Iran but with its own allies.

Biden inherited a scorched diplomatic landscape.

Now we're watching the direct consequence of those choices by Trump, the escalations, the instability, the death of diplomacy.

And still, some try to sell the fiction that this wasn't Trump's doing.

But facts are facts. This is Trump's War.

He blew up a working deal, isolated America, and lit the fuse. You don't get to torch the bridge to peace, then complain there's no path left but war.

Bollocks.

Everything he said is true.

You just can't handle the truth.

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Everything he said is true.

You just can't handle the truth.

100% correct.

There was a good deal in place - Trump literally nuked it. This is the result.

And no Iran are not close to producing Nukes its a lie.

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