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Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:44pm
 

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...........  Was there another way to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

President Obama thought so... as did Europe.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was a deal signed by Iran and the U.S., U.K., France, Russia, China, and Germany, with the explicit intention of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon while simultaneously reintroducing the regime into the international community.

It was essentially a collection of technical limitations on Iran's nuclear program, designed to extend the "breakout time" — the time required for Iran to produce enough fissile material for a weapon — to at least 12 months.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was to be guaranteed access to inspect and monitor sites, and even potentially "undeclared" sites through a defined dispute resolution system.

In return, Iran would receive substantial sanctions relief, including the unfreezing of billions of dollars in Iranian assets and foreign currency reserves.

Of course, it wasn't perfect. It relied on a lot of trust. But most experts agreed that while the deal may have strengthened the regime economically, it would have made it incredibly difficult for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon without early detection.

It was the result of true diplomacy. A brilliant and well constructed attempt by a genuine statesman to literally bring traditional adversaries to the table and find common ground in the pursuit of global peace.

So... why did it fail?

Fox News and other right wing media railed against the deal and propagated a lie that Obama had literally paid the Iranians billions of dollars (he had actually just returned Iran's own money that had been frozen as a result or sanctions).

Netenyahu, in particular, aggressively criticised the deal as a "historic mistake", and urged Republicans to oppose the deal during a speech to Congress (while Obama was still President!).

Then... in 2018, Trump withdrew from the deal, calling it "the worst deal ever."

The Europeans, Chinese, and Russians attempted to continue the deal without the U.S., but Trump not only reimposed sanctions — he added new ones.

Iran initially complied, but after about a year of inaction, it began incrementally breaching the agreement and recommenced enrichment programs that had been ceased under the deal.

Perhaps most tragically, the Iranian President who had signed the deal, Hassan Rouhani, was a moderate who had hung his reputation on this engagement with the West. He advocated for the deal within Iran as an alternate path to indefinite hostility. He and Obama seemed to genuinely believe that a new relationship was possible.

Trump demonstrated to the Iranian people that any deal with the USA was meaningless. In the next election, a hardline and anti-Western cleric named Ebrahim Raisi was elected President of Iran, riding a wave of resentment from this American betrayal.

Raisi dramatically intensified Iran's hostile posture toward the West and increased military support for its proxies across the region, while also accelerating Iran's nuclear program.

So much of the instability in the region today — in Israel, Yemen, Lebanon, and even Sudan — can be attributed, to some degree, to Trump's reckless unilateral decision to tear up Obama’s nuclear deal... seemingly out of spite more than anything.

Iran could have been brought in from the cold and become a stabilising presence in the region. Instead, they're providing drones to bomb Ukrainian cities, fighting proxy wars through Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis... and are now at war with Israel.

It didn't have to be this way...       ..........


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Reply #1 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:49pm
 
I think Isreal got in the first shot to drag America into the conflict before Trump could do a deal???

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Reply #2 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:52pm
 
Like everything else trump touches, Irans deal with the west turns to shit
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Reply #3 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:39pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:44pm:
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Iran could have been brought in from the cold and become a stabilising presence in the region. Instead, they're providing drones to bomb Ukrainian cities, fighting proxy wars through Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis... and are now at war with Israel.

It didn't have to be this way...       ..........


Yeah, of course...

And Ayatollah Khamenei could marry the Pope, and they could open a food stall in Istanbul.

Iran has been funding and supporting Hezbollah since 1982, Hamas since the early '90s and the Houthis since the late 2000s... It has been openly hostile towards Israel since 1991.

There was no other way this was going to end but by open war.
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Reply #4 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:45pm
 

Bush caused it by invading Iraq in 2003 -

Iraq was a counterbalance to Iran and
when Iraq was destroyed -
Iran filled the power vacuum.
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Reply #5 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:44pm:
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...........  Was there another way to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

President Obama thought so... as did Europe.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was a deal signed by Iran and the U.S., U.K., France, Russia, China, and Germany, with the explicit intention of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon while simultaneously reintroducing the regime into the international community.

It was essentially a collection of technical limitations on Iran's nuclear program, designed to extend the "breakout time" — the time required for Iran to produce enough fissile material for a weapon — to at least 12 months.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was to be guaranteed access to inspect and monitor sites, and even potentially "undeclared" sites through a defined dispute resolution system.

In return, Iran would receive substantial sanctions relief, including the unfreezing of billions of dollars in Iranian assets and foreign currency reserves.

Of course, it wasn't perfect. It relied on a lot of trust. But most experts agreed that while the deal may have strengthened the regime economically, it would have made it incredibly difficult for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon without early detection.

It was the result of true diplomacy. A brilliant and well constructed attempt by a genuine statesman to literally bring traditional adversaries to the table and find common ground in the pursuit of global peace.

So... why did it fail?

Fox News and other right wing media railed against the deal and propagated a lie that Obama had literally paid the Iranians billions of dollars (he had actually just returned Iran's own money that had been frozen as a result or sanctions).

Netenyahu, in particular, aggressively criticised the deal as a "historic mistake", and urged Republicans to oppose the deal during a speech to Congress (while Obama was still President!).

Then... in 2018, Trump withdrew from the deal, calling it "the worst deal ever."

The Europeans, Chinese, and Russians attempted to continue the deal without the U.S., but Trump not only reimposed sanctions — he added new ones.

Iran initially complied, but after about a year of inaction, it began incrementally breaching the agreement and recommenced enrichment programs that had been ceased under the deal.

Perhaps most tragically, the Iranian President who had signed the deal, Hassan Rouhani, was a moderate who had hung his reputation on this engagement with the West. He advocated for the deal within Iran as an alternate path to indefinite hostility. He and Obama seemed to genuinely believe that a new relationship was possible.

Trump demonstrated to the Iranian people that any deal with the USA was meaningless. In the next election, a hardline and anti-Western cleric named Ebrahim Raisi was elected President of Iran, riding a wave of resentment from this American betrayal.

Raisi dramatically intensified Iran's hostile posture toward the West and increased military support for its proxies across the region, while also accelerating Iran's nuclear program.

So much of the instability in the region today — in Israel, Yemen, Lebanon, and even Sudan — can be attributed, to some degree, to Trump's reckless unilateral decision to tear up Obama’s nuclear deal... seemingly out of spite more than anything.

Iran could have been brought in from the cold and become a stabilising presence in the region. Instead, they're providing drones to bomb Ukrainian cities, fighting proxy wars through Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis... and are now at war with Israel.

It didn't have to be this way...       ..........


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Thanks, Sprint. This reflects our own posts on Iran. DL forced them into this position by reneging on a multilateral deal and freezing them out.

If the US had remained consistent on their commitments, Iran could have quietly reformed and modernized. They once had all the Western support and goodwill to do this. Its population badly wanted it.

Now, the Mullahs have convinced them that the US are out to get them, and do you know?

It's true. The US have sided with the Saudis and Israelis to totally fuck Iran. Israel is now ready to turn Iran into a new Gaza.

Imagine the propaganda being sold to Iranians now. If I was Iranian, I'd be joining in on those staged American flag burnings. If I was in the government, I'd be pushing for nukes now more than ever before.

Trump has given them good reasons to do it, and now Israel.

Remember, you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.
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Reply #6 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:08pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:56pm:
Iran could have quietly reformed and modernized.

Yep... cos that's what repressive theocratic regimes do when treated well... they reform and modernise...NOT !!

The point of the Islamic Revolution was to turn back Iranian secularisation and modernisation and impose 7th-century-style societal rule...

An Iran that doesn't bash women to death in police cells for being immodest can only exist when the mullahs are removed from power by force.
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Reply #7 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:17pm
 
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Iran could have quietly reformed and modernized.


Isn't that the kind of mistake the world made about China when admitting them into the WTO? That they'd embrace liberal democracy once the money flowed in... That, somehow, the CCP would disband itself and cede all its power...

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Reply #8 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:45pm:
Bush caused it by invading Iraq in 2003 -

Iraq was a counterbalance to Iran and
when Iraq was destroyed -
Iran filled the power vacuum.


We're only now seeing the merits of Obama's long-term foreign policy strategy, now that your DL has trashed it.

Obama might have been given a Nobel prize for nothing, but he made good on it.

You'll note the term "Iran war" in the thread title. This will start during your DL's second term. Oh, he might lean on Israel to kick the can down the road, but he can't stop Iran. He definitely can't stop Israel defending itselt. And he can't stop the drums of war on Fox, where his policy first began.

Nobody can. We can guarantee Iran was discussed during JD's recent lunch with the Murdochs. They called for the Iraq invasion, and they'll be hard pressed to stop Fox selling an invasion of Iran.

After all, you'll be calling for it too. Yes, just like you grunted for the invasion of Iraq, you'll be salivating over the invasion of Iran. You're all for peace, right?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. And ignorance is strength.

You should thank Sprint for reminding you who started this - with a little help from his friends.
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Reply #9 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:45pm:
Bush caused it by invading Iraq in 2003 -

Iraq was a counterbalance to Iran and
when Iraq was destroyed -
Iran filled the power vacuum.


We're only now seeing the merits of Obama's long-term foreign policy strategy, now that your DL has trashed it.

Obama might have been given a Nobel prize for nothing, but he made good on it.

You'll note the term "Iran war" in the thread title. This will start during your DL's second term. Oh, he might lean on Israel to kick the can down the road, but he can't stop Iran. He definitely can't stop Israel defending itselt. And he can't stop the drums of war on Fox, where his policy first began.

Nobody can. We can guarantee Iran was discussed during JD's recent lunch with the Murdochs. They called for the Iraq invasion, and they'll be hard pressed to stop Fox selling an invasion of Iran.

After all, you'll be calling for it too. Yes, just like you grunted for the invasion of Iraq, you'll be salivating over the invasion of Iran. You're all for peace, right?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. And ignorance is strength.

You should thank Sprint for reminding you who started this - with a little help from his friends.



Karnal,
it's all the fault of Bush

The Pakis are gunna join:


https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iranian-general-claims-pakistan-will-l...


Pakistan will nuke Israel.


“Pakistan has assured us that if Israel uses a nuclear bomb on Iran,
they will attack Israel with a nuclear bomb,” said Rezaei.
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Reply #10 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:32pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:56pm:
Iran could have quietly reformed and modernized.

Yep... cos that's what repressive theocratic regimes do when treated well... they reform and modernise...NOT !!

The point of the Islamic Revolution was to turn back Iranian secularisation and modernisation and impose 7th-century-style societal rule...

An Iran that doesn't bash women to death in police cells for being immodest can only exist when the mullahs are removed from power by force.


Many of the Mullahs went to university in the UK and France, dear. They have second houses there, their kids go to private schools there.

Being an Islamic revolutionary in Iran is akin to being a "Republican" in the US, albeit without an opposition. They're corrupt as, but they've been softened by decades in power.
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Reply #11 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:23pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:45pm:
Bush caused it by invading Iraq in 2003 -

Iraq was a counterbalance to Iran and
when Iraq was destroyed -
Iran filled the power vacuum.


We're only now seeing the merits of Obama's long-term foreign policy strategy, now that your DL has trashed it.

Obama might have been given a Nobel prize for nothing, but he made good on it.

You'll note the term "Iran war" in the thread title. This will start during your DL's second term. Oh, he might lean on Israel to kick the can down the road, but he can't stop Iran. He definitely can't stop Israel defending itselt. And he can't stop the drums of war on Fox, where his policy first began.

Nobody can. We can guarantee Iran was discussed during JD's recent lunch with the Murdochs. They called for the Iraq invasion, and they'll be hard pressed to stop Fox selling an invasion of Iran.

After all, you'll be calling for it too. Yes, just like you grunted for the invasion of Iraq, you'll be salivating over the invasion of Iran. You're all for peace, right?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. And ignorance is strength.

You should thank Sprint for reminding you who started this - with a little help from his friends.



Karnal,
it's all the fault of Bush

The Pakis are gunna join:


https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iranian-general-claims-pakistan-will-l...


Pakistan will nuke Israel.


“Pakistan has assured us that if Israel uses a nuclear bomb on Iran,
they will attack Israel with a nuclear bomb,” said Rezaei.


From the same Bobby who warned us about WMDs in Iraq?

Come come. You're baying for this one, and you'll bay at whoever you're told, dear.

Yes, Master.
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Reply #12 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:49pm
 
Biden caused the Iran war those with TDS should check yourselves into a mental health facility ASAP.

Iran never complied with NPT they were always telling lies and hiding stuff.
https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/articles-and-reports?page=2

Obamas deal resulted in them denying access to IAEA inspectors and like a fool Obama flew in pallet loads of cash to go with it the Mad Mullahs must have thought these democrats are real suckers.
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U.S. paid $1.3 billion to Iran two days after cash delivery


On Jan. 17, the administration paid Iran the account’s $400 million principal in pallets of euros, Swiss francs and other foreign currency, raising questions about the unusual payment.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-paid-1-3-billion-to-iran-two-days-after-cash-de...




Quote:
Exclusive - Iran missile tests were 'in defiance of' U.N. resolution: U.S., allies

March 31, 2016

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - By launching nuclear-capable missiles Iran has defied a United Nations Security Council resolution that endorsed last year's historic nuclear deal, the United States and its European allies said in a joint letter seen by Reuters on Tuesday.
Iran's recent ballistic tests involved missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons and were "inconsistent with" and "in defiance of" council resolution 2231, adopted last July, said the joint U.S., British, French, German letter to Spain's U.N. Ambassador Roman Oyarzun Marchesi and U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon.
The letter said the missiles used in the recent launches were "inherently capable of delivering nuclear weapons." It also asked that the Security Council discuss "appropriate responses" to Tehran's failure to comply with its obligations and urged Ban to report back on Iranian missile work inconsistent with 2231.

The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' missile battery said the missiles tested were designed to be able to hit U.S. ally Israel. The United States condemned the remarks and Russia said countries should not threaten each other.

The letter said the four Western powers "note with concern that Iranian military leaders have reportedly claimed these missiles are designed to be a direct threat to Israel."


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-idUSKCN0WV2HE/


Irans missile tests in 2016 were in defiance of a UN resolution.

Iranian military leaders have reportedly claimed these missiles are designed to be a direct threat to Israel.

And here we are with Iran firing ballistic missiles at Israel  for the last couple of days after they fired around 300 at Israel when Haniyeh died from a bomb under his bed in Tehran.

Obama was the worst POTUS ever his Arab spring resulted in human slave trade in Libya then the fool tweets #BLM.

Iran with its proxies from Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis attacked Israel under Biden.

Israel has done more to prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons than UN IAEA and all the useless arse kissing governments.
They blew up Saddams nuclear program in Iraq along with Assads nuclear program in Syria and now they're the only ones who stopped Irans nuclear program.

People should thank Israel for keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of mad muslims.  Wink

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Reply #13 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 11:00pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:32pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:56pm:
Iran could have quietly reformed and modernized.

Yep... cos that's what repressive theocratic regimes do when treated well... they reform and modernise...NOT !!

The point of the Islamic Revolution was to turn back Iranian secularisation and modernisation and impose 7th-century-style societal rule...

An Iran that doesn't bash women to death in police cells for being immodest can only exist when the mullahs are removed from power by force.


Many of the Mullahs went to university in the UK and France, dear. They have second houses there, their kids go to private schools there.

And Kim Jong Un was schooled in Switzerland.

Bashar al-Assad studied in London.

Augusto Pinochet studied in France and Germany.

So...
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Reply #14 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 11:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:35pm:
From the same Bobby who warned us about WMDs in Iraq?

Come come. You're baying for this one, and you'll bay at whoever you're told, dear.

Yes, Master.



You cock smokers here wanna blame everything on Trump.   Roll Eyes
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