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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77050 Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #15 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:32pm Leroy wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:29pm: So what happened to the deal Australia made with France for subs?. Scummo, almost as corrupt as Trump what is it with the retarded right not keeping their word?
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Re: AUKUS, No Nuke Subs
Reply #16 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:44pm

Leroy wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:20pm:

Leroy wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 11:50am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

Yanks could blackmail us if we buy their subs – for example -
unless we do what we are told to do they will withdraw spare parts
making our subs useless.

Also – military devices are normally supplied as "black boxes "
where we don't know exactly what is inside them -
no circuit diagrams, no parts lists, no source code, and
custom ICs that can't be bought and are only made as a one off batch
as spares held forever by the Yanks – not us – etc.
We are then totally dependent on them – at their mercy.

I agree Bobby....America first is all about screwing everyone else in Americas favour whilst the Yanks become more isolationist and unreliable....Angus Taylor is blaming Labor for a deal his Government negotiated and Donald Trump does not understand....As the deal was signed by Joe Biden Trump will do all he can to screw more out of Australia and Angus Taylor is on the Yanks side....The Coalition created this mess and are now blaming Labor for their incompetance....Suck up to Trump and give him what he wants is Taylors solution....Taylor is a complete dickhead who thinks making political point scoring is more important than Australia's defence!!!

Countries that sign agreements and then stick to them unlike America under Trump who bullies everyone
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So there are countries that put other countries before their own, which countries are they?.

Countries that sign agreements and then stick to them unlike America under Trump....Why negotiate with a complete narcissist like Trump who's word is not worth crap....Only a dickhead like you would not understand that making a deal means sticking to it....Australia needs to forge new alliances with Asia and Europe because America can no longer be trusted or relied upon....Full on MAGA bullshit you support....Traitor!!!

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So what happened to the deal Australia made with France for subs?.

The Coalition under Scumo scrapped it costing $835 million for nothing....Are you dyslexic or just very stupid???

Huh

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Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs
Reply #17 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 1:21pm

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

Malcolm Turnbull has entered the chat. The former prime minister has been a vocal critic of the AUKUS security pact over the years.

In a tweet this morning, he questioned if it was time for the Australian parliament to "wake up".

"The UK is conducting a review of AUKUS. The US DoD is conducting a review of AUKUS. But Australia, which has the most at stake, has no review.

"Our parliament to date has been the least curious and least informed. Time to wake up?"

Possibly but who give a flying phuk what Turnbull has to say?

Just a Labor Lite flog.

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Re: AUKUS, No Nuke Subs
Reply #18 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 1:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

Yanks could blackmail us if we buy their subs – for example -
unless we do what we are told to do they will withdraw spare parts
making our subs useless.

Also – military devices are normally supplied as "black boxes "
where we don't know exactly what is inside them -
no circuit diagrams, no parts lists, no source code, and
custom ICs that can't be bought and are only made as a one off batch
as spares held forever by the Yanks – not us – etc.
We are then totally dependent on them – at their mercy.

I agree Bobby....America first is all about screwing everyone else in Americas favour whilst the Yanks become more isolationist and unreliable....Angus Taylor is blaming Labor for a deal his Government negotiated and Donald Trump does not understand....As the deal was signed by Joe Biden Trump will do all he can to screw more out of Australia and Angus Taylor is on the Yanks side....The Coalition created this mess and are now blaming Labor for their incompetance....Suck up to Trump and give him what he wants is Taylors solution....Taylor is a complete dickhead who thinks making political point scoring is more important than Australia's defence!!!

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That's what all Govts usually do.

And for that matter it's what all businesses do as well.

It's what you do when you're looking after No1. first. Roll Eyes

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31417 Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #19 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 1:25pm John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Leroy wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 12:29pm: So what happened to the deal Australia made with France for subs?. Scummo, almost as corrupt as Trump what is it with the retarded right not keeping their word? And the Albo Labor govt does?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111565 Melbourne Gender:	Re: AUKUS, No Nuke Subs Reply #20 - Jun 13^th, 2025 at 9:13am China is too powerful for us - they have the largest navy in the world - no matter how much we spend we could never defend ourselves without help from the USA and perhaps the UK too.
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Ai_Took_Our_Jobs Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 333 Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #21 - Jun 13^th, 2025 at 9:43am Sinking a few fuel ships heading to the country would probably be enough to cause the country to fall. Nuke subs on the never, never will not save us.
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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2126 Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #22 - Jun 13^th, 2025 at 12:46pm We need nukes but not submarines, nuclear weapons. We need to get over this belief that England or America must protect us.
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Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs
Reply #23 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:24pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 12:46pm:

We need nukes but not submarines, nuclear weapons.

We need to get over this belief that England or America must protect us.

Well unless you've been living under a rock you'd know that we can't(don't have the resources) to protect ourselves.

That also applies to not using the resources we have to be able to build shyte to protect ourselves.

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Labor majority government Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1511 Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #24 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm Hopefully they cancel it , can't believe Labor backed scomos brainfart
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #25 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:55pm Labor majority government wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm: Hopefully they cancel it , can't believe Labor backed scomos brainfart Here's a question - what alternative was there? Please tell us what alternative was there have had sufficient range and ability to match the proposed atomic powered submarine? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2804 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs Reply #26 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 7:46pm Lesson 1 Don’t play with the big boys. Lesson 2. Don’t buy Steam submarines.
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Reply #27 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 7:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Hopefully they cancel it , can't believe Labor backed scomos brainfart

Here's a question - what alternative was there? Please tell us what alternative was there have had sufficient range and ability to match the proposed atomic powered submarine? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There you go again,Brian, nobody calls the Steam submarines ‘Atomic’ anymore, the buzz word for these conventionally powered steam boats is ‘Nuclear’.

In answer to your question, try Gotland-class submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine

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Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs
Reply #28 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 9:39pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Hopefully they cancel it , can't believe Labor backed scomos brainfart

Here's a question - what alternative was there? Please tell us what alternative was there have had sufficient range and ability to match the proposed atomic powered submarine? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There you go again,Brian, nobody calls the Steam submarines ‘Atomic’ anymore, the buzz word for these conventionally powered steam boats is ‘Nuclear’.

In answer to your question, try Gotland-class submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine

The Gotland Class is registered to have a range of 1,700 nautical miles. Nuclear submarines have an unlimited range. They do not compare all that well, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: USUKA, No Nuke Subs
Reply #29 - Jun 14^th, 2025 at 10:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Hopefully they cancel it , can't believe Labor backed scomos brainfart

Here's a question - what alternative was there? Please tell us what alternative was there have had sufficient range and ability to match the proposed atomic powered submarine? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There you go again,Brian, nobody calls the Steam submarines ‘Atomic’ anymore, the buzz word for these conventionally powered steam boats is ‘Nuclear’.

In answer to your question, try Gotland-class submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine

The Gotland Class is registered to have a range of 1,700 nautical miles. Nuclear submarines have an unlimited range. They do not compare all that well, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I think our beloved statesman paul Keating summed up the acquisition rather well and explained why we never entertained it the past

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