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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #570 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:30am:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:20am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:05am:
The UK's Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton are among high-profile figures named in US court papers detailing connections of late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The newly released records form part of a case against Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's girlfriend who has been jailed for helping him abuse girls.

But the documents so far unveil no major new allegations about Epstein nor revelations about his associates.

Prince Andrew is accused of groping a woman, which he denies.

Other names in the documents include singer Michael Jackson and magician David Copperfield, though no wrongdoing is alleged.

Mr Clinton appears in a number of the documents. The former US president has acknowledged being a former associate of Epstein but has strongly denied he had any knowledge of his crimes.

The first files from the much-hyped trove - covering about 900 pages - were released on Wednesday, after an order by New York Judge Loretta Preska, who acknowledged many of those named had already been identified by the media or in Maxwell's criminal trial.


BBC, January 2024




So these documents, compiled as part of a civil case, show that Epstein, a registered sex offender, continued to move for years in elite circles, associating with people like Prince Andrew, you know, the prominent attorney Alan Dershowitz. The musician Michael Jackson is named here, a former U.S. senator from Maine believed to be George Mitchell, also former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and, as you mentioned, Donald Trump and also former Vice President Al Gore. Former President Bill Clinton's name comes up frequently in these documents. And, again, being named here doesn't reflect wrongdoing. Most of these people, including Clinton, have said they had no awareness of Epstein's alleged crimes. But the documents also include repeated claims that these social gatherings of powerful men included young women, some of them minors, arranged by Epstein and by his accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell, of course, is now serving a 20-year prison sentence on federal sex trafficking charges linked to her work for Epstein.
PBS January 2024



And despite the sworn testimony of victims who have implicated Trump, he was the only one out of all these people who didn't sexually abuse children with Epstein?

You're not helping your case...

Stop defending peadophiles.

You are (still, as ever) out of your mind with deranged self-rigteous indignation, teapot. And you now saying that ALL the people named are pedos?



Are you saying they're not, and therefore Trump is not?



Well, court documents say they are not. You, little hysteric, say that are. 
Who to believe??


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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #571 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:49am
 

Stop defending paedophiles.
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Reply #572 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:52am
 
What? !!

Why would anyone employ a 16 year old girl in a "Spa" in the first place?   Shocked

Any other President at any other time would be in deep trouble if this was going on at his Golf club.

It makes my blood boil that this arse gets away with so much .  Angry

So, Trump was pissed off - not because of Epstein's abusive exploitation of young girls - but because he "stole" Trump's staff?  !!!



Trump says Epstein ‘stole’ Virginia Giuffre from Mar-a-Lago staff role


President says pair fell out because Epstein poached staffers, including Epstein accuser who died in April

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Virginia Giuffre holds a news conference outside a Manhattan court in New York, on 27 August 2019. Photograph: Bebeto Matthews/AP

Donald Trump suggested on Tuesday that Jeffrey Epstein, the late sex offender he socialized with for more than a decade, “stole” Virginia Giuffre and other young female staffers whom he hired away from the president’s Mar-a-Lago country club.

Speaking to reporters onboard Air Force One as he returned to Washington from Scotland, Trump was asked to elaborate on his earlier comments about falling out with Epstein because he took employees from his business. The president said on Monday that he had kicked Epstein out of his club “because he did something that was inappropriate” – specifically, that “he stole people that worked for me”.

Senior White House aides have repeatedly suggested in recent weeks that Trump broke with Epstein in about 2004 and expelled him from the Mar-a-Lago club for inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature. In a statement last week, spokesperson Steven Cheung said Trump “kicked him out of his club for being a creep”.

The president’s account of the break being motivated by pique at having his employees poached by his friend cast the break in a different light.

On Tuesday, a reporter asked Trump: “The workers that were taken from you – were some of them young women?”

Trump replied: “The answer is yes, they were. People that worked in the spa.”

Another reporter then asked Trump if one of the people he was referring to was Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent accusers who said in a lawsuit that she was hired away from the Mar-a-Lago spa by Epstein’s accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell in 2000, when she was 16.

Giuffre, who died this year, alleged in her complaint that she was first abused by Epstein and Maxwell together, and then “lent out to other powerful men”, including Prince Andrew.

“I think she worked at the spa,” Trump replied. “I think so. I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know. None whatsoever.”

The president and his administration are working desperately to change the subject away from Epstein – an issue that has lately roiled his base. But his latest claim that one of those employees was the 16-year-old Giuffre also complicates the timeline. Giuffre was hired away from Mar-a-Lago in 2000, but two years later, Trump spoke highly of Epstein to a reporter.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in late 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Sarah Blaskey, a Miami Herald investigative reporter, also pointed out in her 2020 book on Mar-a-Lago that Epstein remained on the membership rolls of Mar-a-Lago until October 2007, more than a year after he was first arrested and charged with soliciting **** from a minor.

Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for conspiring with Epstein to sexually traffic minors, has offered to testify before Congress but has asked lawmakers to give her immunity, along with other major conditions, according to a list of demands sent to the House oversight committee by her attorneys, seen by CNN.

Lauren Gambino contributed reporting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/29/trump-epstein-virginia-giuffre

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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #573 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 11:27am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Well, court documents say they are not. You, little hysteric, say that are. 
Who to believe??


I'm not here to declare who's guilty or innocent, that's what a proper investigation is for. But let's get one thing straight: if left-leaning figures show up in Epstein's files, flight logs, or visited the island, that is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for Trump. It doesn't mean we ignore him or redirect the spotlight elsewhere. That's not justice, that's political cowardice.

Every single person who was involved in the sexual abuse of children facilitated by Epstein must be investigated and, if guilty, prosecuted. I don't care if it's Clinton, Trump, Stephen Hawking, the Pope, or your favourite Hollywood actor, no exceptions, no excuses, no tribal deflections.

But what we keep seeing from the MAGA camp is a desperate bait-and-switch. The same names they were obsessed with for years, Clinton, Dershowitz, etc., are now just shields. They throw them up like flares every time Trump's proximity to Epstein is mentioned. It's not outrage anymore, it's damage control.

No. That's not how this works.

Justice doesn't stop at your political tribe. And anyone who participated in or covered for child abuse, on any side, should be exposed and held to account.

And all those defending those child abuses need to be called out, Frank.
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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #574 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:13pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 11:27am:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Well, court documents say they are not. You, little hysteric, say that are. 
Who to believe??


I'm not here to declare who's guilty or innocent, that's what a proper investigation is for. But let's get one thing straight: if left-leaning figures show up in Epstein's files, flight logs, or visited the island, that is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for Trump. It doesn't mean we ignore him or redirect the spotlight elsewhere. That's not justice, that's political cowardice.

Every single person who was involved in the sexual abuse of children facilitated by Epstein must be investigated and, if guilty, prosecuted. I don't care if it's Clinton, Trump, Stephen Hawking, the Pope, or your favourite Hollywood actor, no exceptions, no excuses, no tribal deflections.

But what we keep seeing from the MAGA camp is a desperate bait-and-switch. The same names they were obsessed with for years, Clinton, Dershowitz, etc., are now just shields. They throw them up like flares every time Trump's proximity to Epstein is mentioned. It's not outrage anymore, it's damage control.

No. That's not how this works.

Justice doesn't stop at your political tribe. And anyone who participated in or covered for child abuse, on any side, should be exposed and held to account.

And all those defending those child abuses need to be called out, Frank.


They did a proper investigation, have you any evidence that the initial investigation was not proper. Are you not accepting the outcome of the first investigation. Any reason the first investigation is not acceptable?
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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #575 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:36pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:13pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 11:27am:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Well, court documents say they are not. You, little hysteric, say that are. 
Who to believe??


I'm not here to declare who's guilty or innocent, that's what a proper investigation is for. But let's get one thing straight: if left-leaning figures show up in Epstein's files, flight logs, or visited the island, that is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for Trump. It doesn't mean we ignore him or redirect the spotlight elsewhere. That's not justice, that's political cowardice.

Every single person who was involved in the sexual abuse of children facilitated by Epstein must be investigated and, if guilty, prosecuted. I don't care if it's Clinton, Trump, Stephen Hawking, the Pope, or your favourite Hollywood actor, no exceptions, no excuses, no tribal deflections.

But what we keep seeing from the MAGA camp is a desperate bait-and-switch. The same names they were obsessed with for years, Clinton, Dershowitz, etc., are now just shields. They throw them up like flares every time Trump's proximity to Epstein is mentioned. It's not outrage anymore, it's damage control.

No. That's not how this works.

Justice doesn't stop at your political tribe. And anyone who participated in or covered for child abuse, on any side, should be exposed and held to account.

And all those defending those child abuses need to be called out, Frank.


They did a proper investigation, have you any evidence that the initial investigation was not proper. Are you not accepting the outcome of the first investigation. Any reason the first investigation is not acceptable?


You're not engaging with what I actually said. I didn't question the legitimacy of the original investigation, you invented that so you wouldn't have to address the point: that Trump shouldn't be immune to scrutiny just because someone else was also investigated. That's political tribalism, not justice.

Stop defending peadophiles.
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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #576 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 10:52am:
What? !!

Why would anyone employ a 16 year old girl in a "Spa" in the first place?   Shocked

Any other President at any other time would be in deep trouble if this was going on at his Golf club.

It makes my blood boil that this arse gets away with so much .  Angry

So, Trump was pissed off - not because of Epstein's abusive exploitation of young girls - but because he "stole" Trump's staff?  !!!



Trump says Epstein ‘stole’ Virginia Giuffre from Mar-a-Lago staff role


President says pair fell out because Epstein poached staffers, including Epstein accuser who died in April

https://i.imgur.com/NbIuX5x.jpeg
Virginia Giuffre holds a news conference outside a Manhattan court in New York, on 27 August 2019. Photograph: Bebeto Matthews/AP

Donald Trump suggested on Tuesday that Jeffrey Epstein, the late sex offender he socialized with for more than a decade, “stole” Virginia Giuffre and other young female staffers whom he hired away from the president’s Mar-a-Lago country club.

Speaking to reporters onboard Air Force One as he returned to Washington from Scotland, Trump was asked to elaborate on his earlier comments about falling out with Epstein because he took employees from his business. The president said on Monday that he had kicked Epstein out of his club “because he did something that was inappropriate” – specifically, that “he stole people that worked for me”.

Senior White House aides have repeatedly suggested in recent weeks that Trump broke with Epstein in about 2004 and expelled him from the Mar-a-Lago club for inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature. In a statement last week, spokesperson Steven Cheung said Trump “kicked him out of his club for being a creep”.

The president’s account of the break being motivated by pique at having his employees poached by his friend cast the break in a different light.

On Tuesday, a reporter asked Trump: “The workers that were taken from you – were some of them young women?”

Trump replied: “The answer is yes, they were. People that worked in the spa.”

Another reporter then asked Trump if one of the people he was referring to was Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent accusers who said in a lawsuit that she was hired away from the Mar-a-Lago spa by Epstein’s accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell in 2000, when she was 16.

Giuffre, who died this year, alleged in her complaint that she was first abused by Epstein and Maxwell together, and then “lent out to other powerful men”, including Prince Andrew.

“I think she worked at the spa,” Trump replied. “I think so. I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know. None whatsoever.”

The president and his administration are working desperately to change the subject away from Epstein – an issue that has lately roiled his base. But his latest claim that one of those employees was the 16-year-old Giuffre also complicates the timeline. Giuffre was hired away from Mar-a-Lago in 2000, but two years later, Trump spoke highly of Epstein to a reporter.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in late 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Sarah Blaskey, a Miami Herald investigative reporter, also pointed out in her 2020 book on Mar-a-Lago that Epstein remained on the membership rolls of Mar-a-Lago until October 2007, more than a year after he was first arrested and charged with soliciting **** from a minor.

Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for conspiring with Epstein to sexually traffic minors, has offered to testify before Congress but has asked lawmakers to give her immunity, along with other major conditions, according to a list of demands sent to the House oversight committee by her attorneys, seen by CNN.

Lauren Gambino contributed reporting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/29/trump-epstein-virginia-giuffre





Terrific guy, Trump said in 2002.

You have to go back a long way, don't you.


But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT
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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #577 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 1:27pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT


Explain WHY IT MATTERS?

If it were a honeypot, and people ate the honey (raped children), then throw the bloody book at them regardless.

Stop trying to protect them because Trump is recorded in the same files as they are.

STOP DEFENDING PAEDOPHILES!
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Reply #578 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:42pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT


Explain WHY IT MATTERS?

If it were a honeypot, and people ate the honey (raped children), then throw the bloody book at them regardless.

Stop trying to protect them because Trump is recorded in the same files as they are.

STOP DEFENDING PAEDOPHILES!


Children?

Any evidence of children ?

Virginia g was 16 when working for Trump at mar el lago.
17 when on the island.
16 is the age of consent in the majority of American states.

You appear to be lying yet again.

Now explain how Epstein, a guy who never made a trade on wall St. ended up owning 2 jets 7 mansions and 2 Islands.
Explain how his business partner in a ponzu scheme got 20 years and he got off.

Explain how Alan acosta, Kenneth star and dershowitz all said he was untouchable.

Explain. how any of this happens without the ineligence agencies protecting him so he could record prominent people with young adult women ( not children you creep )

I DO NOT believe bill Clinton likes pre pubescent females.
If you do, you have a sick mind .

Stop calling people pedophiles when you have no evidence.
And stop telling me I am defending pedophiles. Creep
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Reply #579 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:50pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 9:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 6:06am:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/29/politics/maxwell-conditions-congressional-tes...


Maxwell offers to testify before Congress but with major conditions, including immunity.


Jeffrey Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell has offered to testify before Congress, but with major conditions, including immunity, according to a list of her demands sent to the House Oversight Committee by her attorneys.

House Oversight Chair James Comer subpoenaed Maxwell to testify next month. In a new letter sent to Comer Tuesday, Maxwell’s attorneys said they initially decided to invoke her Fifth Amendment rights, but then offered to cooperate with Congress “if a fair and safe path forward can be established.”

Her attorneys noted Maxwell is currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme Court and argued that “any testimony she provides now could compromise her constitutional rights, prejudice her legal claims, and potentially taint a future jury pool.”

“Compounding these concerns are public comments from members of Congress that appear to have prejudged Ms. Maxwell’s credibility without even listening to what she has to say or evaluating the extensive documentation that corroborates it,” the letter states.


Anyone want to take a bet on what her testimony will be in exchange for immunity and a pardon?

The state media are already trying to cast her as a victim. 

Is Trump going to try to buy testimony that absolves him in exchange for a pardon?

https://i.imgur.com/83qdeRA.png



Of course she's after a pardon -

she wants to get out of jail.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Trump Suppressing The Epstein Files?
Reply #580 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:51pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT


Explain WHY IT MATTERS?

If it were a honeypot, and people ate the honey (raped children), then throw the bloody book at them regardless.

Stop trying to protect them because Trump is recorded in the same files as they are.

STOP DEFENDING PAEDOPHILES!


Children?

Any evidence of children ?

Virginia g was 16 when working for Trump at mar el lago.
17 when on the island.
16 is the age of consent in the majority of American states.

You appear to be lying yet again.

Now explain how Epstein, a guy who never made a trade on wall St. ended up owning 2 jets 7 mansions and 2 Islands.
Explain how his business partner in a ponzu scheme got 20 years and he got off.

Explain how Alan acosta, Kenneth star and dershowitz all said he was untouchable.

Explain. how any of this happens without the ineligence agencies protecting him so he could record prominent people with young adult women ( not children you creep )

I DO NOT believe bill Clinton likes pre pubescent females.
If you do, you have a sick mind .

Stop calling people pedophiles when you have no evidence.
And stop telling me I am defending pedophiles. Creep


Nice own goal.

16 and 17 year olds are children.

FFS, stop defending paedophiles.
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Reply #581 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 3:03pm
 

Trump - the rapist - had children working in his spa, and exposed them to a child sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein.



To aquascoot, Frannie, Bobbie et al. - stop defending paedophiles.
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Reply #582 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 3:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:51pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT


Explain WHY IT MATTERS?

If it were a honeypot, and people ate the honey (raped children), then throw the bloody book at them regardless.

Stop trying to protect them because Trump is recorded in the same files as they are.

STOP DEFENDING PAEDOPHILES!


Children?

Any evidence of children ?

Virginia g was 16 when working for Trump at mar el lago.
17 when on the island.
16 is the age of consent in the majority of American states.

You appear to be lying yet again.

Now explain how Epstein, a guy who never made a trade on wall St. ended up owning 2 jets 7 mansions and 2 Islands.
Explain how his business partner in a ponzu scheme got 20 years and he got off.

Explain how Alan acosta, Kenneth star and dershowitz all said he was untouchable.

Explain. how any of this happens without the ineligence agencies protecting him so he could record prominent people with young adult women ( not children you creep )

I DO NOT believe bill Clinton likes pre pubescent females.
If you do, you have a sick mind .

Stop calling people pedophiles when you have no evidence.
And stop telling me I am defending pedophiles. Creep


Nice own goal.

16 and 17 year olds are children.

FFS, stop defending paedophiles.



Go away creep.

Epstein was convicted of paedophilia.

The scientists,  finance guys, business leaders, politicians  were being hooked up with young women.
Lewinski was a young woman
The Russian student gates had an affair with was a young woman
You have zero evidence they were children
You and roo are slandering people with no evidence.

Disgraceful
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Reply #583 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 3:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:51pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
But roo roo still needs to explain this.

How did Epstein as a convicted fraud and pedophile manage to build a financial empire, buy an island and get people like gates Clinton , top people at Goldman sachs, google , Hollywood people ,top scientists to network with him WITHOUT the sponsorship of the intelligence agencies.

Explain THAT


Explain WHY IT MATTERS?

If it were a honeypot, and people ate the honey (raped children), then throw the bloody book at them regardless.

Stop trying to protect them because Trump is recorded in the same files as they are.

STOP DEFENDING PAEDOPHILES!


Children?

Any evidence of children ?

Virginia g was 16 when working for Trump at mar el lago.
17 when on the island.
16 is the age of consent in the majority of American states.

You appear to be lying yet again.

Now explain how Epstein, a guy who never made a trade on wall St. ended up owning 2 jets 7 mansions and 2 Islands.
Explain how his business partner in a ponzu scheme got 20 years and he got off.

Explain how Alan acosta, Kenneth star and dershowitz all said he was untouchable.

Explain. how any of this happens without the ineligence agencies protecting him so he could record prominent people with young adult women ( not children you creep )

I DO NOT believe bill Clinton likes pre pubescent females.
If you do, you have a sick mind .

Stop calling people pedophiles when you have no evidence.
And stop telling me I am defending pedophiles. Creep


Nice own goal.

16 and 17 year olds are children.

FFS, stop defending paedophiles.



Go away creep.

Epstein was convicted of paedophilia.



And you keep defending him.

Stop defending paedophiles.

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Reply #584 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 3:08pm
 
Where did I defend Epstein.  Creep
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