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Reply #90 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 6:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 6:11pm:
I trust the CCP tp devote its energies to making China  "a prosperous, green socialist society" by 2049, the centenary of CPP government as stated by Xi,  under the auspices of the UN, without waging trade (or hot) wars on anyone.



That explains the buildup in the Spratly, Paracel Islands and the seizure of Scarborough Shoal. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

"China has 20 outposts in the Paracel Islands and 7 in the Spratlys. It also controls Scarborough Shoal, which it seized in 2012, via a constant coast guard presence, though it has not built any facilities on the feature. Since 2013, China has engaged in unprecedented dredging and artificial island-building in the Spratlys, creating 3,200 acres of new land, along with a substantial expansion of its presence in the Paracels."

https://amti.csis.org/island-tracker/china/
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Reply #91 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 8:13pm
 
Marla wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 1:20am:
SerialBrain9 wrote on Jun 5th, 2025 at 10:29am:
AUKUS nuclear submarine saga we’re tangled up in.
It’s a bloody expensive beast, and there’s plenty to chew over. Here’s the state of play as of June 2025:

1. AUKUS Agreement Lowdown 

Back in September 2021, we signed up for the AUKUS pact with the Yanks and Poms to score some shiny, nuclear-powered (but conventionally armed) subs to replace our creaky old Collins-class diesel jobs. Here’s the gist: 

- Pillar One: We’re set to nab 3–5 US Virginia-class subs in the early 2030s, then build our own SSN-AUKUS class (based on a UK design) in Adelaide by the early 2040s. 

- Pillar Two: Bit of tech-sharing on the side, but let’s be real—subs are the main event. 

- Price Tag: A whopping $368 billion AUD through the 2050s. Yep, you read that right. Most expensive defence project we’ve ever tackled. 😳 

2. What’s Happening Now? 

- Progress: Defence Minister Richard Marles reckons we’re “on track” (as of May 31, 2025). He’s banging on about boosting defence spending to keep it rolling.

The Poms are locked in to deliver 12 SSN-AUKUS subs by the late 2030s, which is critical since our first home-built sub leans on their design. 

- US Commitment: We coughed up $US500 million earlier this year to prop up US shipyards.   Shocked

USS Minnesota (a Virginia-class sub) rocked up at HMAS Stirling in Feb 2025 for a bit of a show-and-tell, with more visits planned to get our navy mates up to speed. 

- Training & Infrastructure: We’ve got 115 Aussies training with the US nuclear navy and another 130 learning how to fix these beasts in Hawaii. Plus, a $480 million training facility in Osborne, SA, is being built—should be done by 2028. 

3. The Headaches 

Here’s where it gets messy: 

- US Production Woes: The Yanks can barely keep up with their own sub orders, let alone ours. Some bigwig, Elbridge Colby (tipped for Trump’s Pentagon), reckons giving us subs could kneecap their deterrence against China, especially if Taiwan kicks off. 🤔 

- Tariffs & Costs: Trump’s slapped steel and aluminium tariffs on allies like the UK and Canada, which could jack up costs for Virginia-class subs. Oh, and we’ve got a 2025 deadline to fork out $2 billion of a $3 billion pledge to US shipyards. Ouch. 💸   Undecided

- UK Stuff-Ups: The Poms’ own project agency called their ability to make nuclear reactor cores for SSN-AUKUS “unachievable.” - you heard that right - “UNACHIEVABLE” 🤨

That’s a problem, ‘cause if they can’t deliver, we’re stuffed when the Collins-class start retiring in the 2030s. 

- Sovereignty Drama: Big names like Malcolm Turnbull 😆 and Bob Carr are whinging that AUKUS ties us too tight to US foreign policy, maybe even selling out our sovereignty.

Same blokes who’d probably hand our healthcare sovereignty to Bill Gates’ WHO in a heartbeat. 🙄 Plus, there’s chatter about whether these subs are for our defence or just to back Uncle Sam’s China beef. But to me - this doesn’t matter - it falls in line with Australia becoming more “prickly”

4. Why We Want ‘Em

These subs are meant to be a game-changer—stealthy, fast, and able to loiter in the Indo-Pacific for ages. Perfect for keeping an eye on China’s navy, especially after their cheeky flotilla did a lap around Oz in early 2025. Imagine if we had the Nuclear Subs and unbeknown to the chinks we popped up on their stern?

5. The “Plan B” Crowd & Critics 

Some reckon we should ditch AUKUS for a cheaper option, like French Suffren-class nuclear subs—smaller, less pricey, and less reliant on the US. Paul Keating’s been banging that drum,  Roll Eyes calling AUKUS a lock-in to Washington’s anti-China crusade.
Has anyone looked at the new Subs from South Korea?

6. Public & Political Vibes 

The deal’s got bipartisan backing here, locked in by the US National Defence Authorisation Act in 2023. But groups like “Labor Against War” are pushing for a rethink, especially with Trump’s crew making things unpredictable.

Others question why we’re chasing nuclear subs without a nuclear power industry, me included. We need the knowhow, we need the expertise, we need a stable electricity supply, we need the manpower.

Oh, and if anyone is telling you we are only going to pay 5 Billion per sub - tell them they have rocks in their heads - they are NOT looking at the big picture.



Hey asshole, who is going to pay for the training and time it takes to equip a crew to run those subs?


We are the biggest Coal and Gas exporters in the world - it not first then second..

But comparative type countries that export nearly as much as us are paving their roads in Gold, their cost of living is minimal with their citizens paying NO TAX…

So.. we can easily pay for it ALL and more..

But our politicians have betrayed us and are giving away our resources for nearly nothing..

For instance, 56% of our GAS exports go offshore with no tax or royalties…

Japan have onsold the gas that we gave them in the last 12 months for a profit of over a BILLION dollars..

China is opening 2 coal fired power stations a week at the moment and Australia is supplying the Coal for nearly nothing…

In the Mean time - our politicians are telling us that we can’t burn our own coal or gas… 🔥

Its the biggest scam in Australias history and a lot of its citizens go along with is willingly..
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Reply #92 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 8:47pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Marla wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 2:02am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2025 at 10:17pm:
It all comes down to Taiwan which is a Chinese province (indeed the ROC losers themselves claimed to be the sole government of all China, until recently); Oz should not get involved in an ideological dispute between 1.4 billion Chinese on the mainland versus 26 million Chinese on the island (and the KMT in Taiwan don't want a war with China). 





Really? You seriously think China is going to stop after Taiwan? Just like that?


Yes. China has  already reclaimed  the extent of the old Qing dynasty lands,  except for Mongolia, after the 'century of humiliation' at the hands of Western powers.

Apart from the ideological dispute over Taiwan,  China has no interest in expanding its sovereignty by attacking other countries - the old-fashioned way now disallowed by the creation of the UN in 1946. 



Actually, they were humiliated into Communist submission by the USSR. Now they're left with a defaulted communism, that failed in its origin. It's best the Chinese take up Sport and clean their Forbidden Cities like good Yellow people should.
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Reply #95 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 8:54pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 8:47pm:
Actually, they were humiliated into Communist submission by the USSR. Now they're left with a defaulted communism, that failed in its origin. It's best the Chinese take up Sport and clean their Forbidden Cities like good Yellow people should.



Actually - what is the Chinese political system now?

I guess it's the communist type one party system that
has taken capitalism as its new mantra?

The Chinese are not that interested in sport -
they like science - they're smarter than the Europeans.
Our universities are full of Chinese people beating Aussies with much higher marks
and taking most of the top surgeon medical jobs etc.
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Reply #96 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 10:08pm
 
Think of all these new Indian, Moslems and East Asian new immigrants being drafted to fight our wars for us. There's hundreds of thousands of them here now - willing and able.

As if Roll Eyes
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Reply #97 - Jun 7th, 2025 at 10:23pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
Think of all these new Indian, Moslems and East Asian new immigrants being drafted to fight our wars for us. There's hundreds of thousands of them here now - willing and able.

As if Roll Eyes



We'll conscript them into our army.
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Reply #98 - Jun 8th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
The Chinese are not that interested in sport -



Premier Xi is, and he is NOT happy that China has been bundled out of the World Cup yet again. There are comments that communism doesn't allow for individual flair, as they don't want to make mistakes, and get chopped or worse.
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Reply #99 - Jun 17th, 2025 at 7:35pm
 
Richard Marles sounds like a proof.  He isnt, interestingly, but Penny is.  Between the two of them and Albo the student Trot, they SOUND and ACT like a government of poofs.

(Can I say that?)
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