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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45205	First Nations leaders hope to pursue truth telling May 31^st, 2025 at 1:59pm First Nations leaders hope Labor will use big majority to pursue national truth telling
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Reply #2 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 9:26am

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 1:59pm:

First Nations leaders hope Labor will use big majority to pursue national truth telling Cool

Self appointed Aboriginal activists.

The failed Voice activists - communist party activist Thomas Mayo - whose ancestry is in question as much as that fake Aboriginal Bruce Pascoe.

The Australian public voted for this & 5 secs later they're getting it.

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Reply #3 - Nov 23^rd, 2025 at 8:54pm

The police reminded me that if we did to these kids who broke into our house what is sanctioned and encouraged under Aboriginal law we’d be charged with an offence and be punished far more than they would be.

I already knew this, of course, but pointed out that the traditional way worked to deter crime – ours didn’t.

A senior police officer once stated to me discreetly that we didn’t have a justice system but a legal system. This mislabelled system endorses and supports traditional law only when it can be used to mitigate charges and reduce sentences, never in support of the victims of crimes. The application of punishments that effectively discourage recidivism are outlawed, but those that encourage it are applied.

A girl showed us a video clip the gang had made of themselves while inside our house, passing it around to their friends.

It looked as though these young Central Australian criminals were desperately trying to ape the adult gang culture of black America, so often portrayed by Hollywood and the music industry. The title was Bad Boyz Bloods x B Block Boyz; their theme was “creeping while you’re sleeping”.

Once again we sent the footage, along with names and addresses, to the police. Weeks later we received a message that the police were not going to take any further action, even though we had accumulated all of the evidence they needed to make arrests.

The little would-be gangsters were to face no consequences.

Tradition encourages the shifting of blame as far as possible away from the perpetrator’s family because traditional punishment is very severe and could be imposed on any of the perpetrator’s close family as well as on the perpetrator. There is also a very strong tendency to tell questioners, especially white ones and the police, what it is thought they want to hear rather than what is verifiable truth. This can result in naive confessions and the arrest of the innocent as well as protestations of innocence and blame shifting by offenders.

Several of my wife’s close relatives have been murdered by violent drunks. I could go on for pages listing the names of others known to us, often close to us, who have been the victims of homicide. All were Aboriginal, perpetrators and victims. Now they are also becoming the victims of juvenile property crime. Their property has always been taken by close kin on the basis of the “what’s yours is mine” ethos. Now they are also likely to be robbed by strangers. The organisations funded to do something about all of this are ineffectual. Their primary concern seems to be the maintenance of their funding and excuse making.

They are in the business of blame shifting rather than the protection of citizens and their property and the diversion of youth from a life of crime. They tend to be run by leftist activists more concerned with undermining governments and police, pushing political agendas rather than doing what they are funded to do. Some are frankly corrupt.

It is time for citizens of all ethnicities to take action to defend our town. We are tired of putting our house back together after it has been violated, of replacing stolen items, of burying the victims of homicide, of the excuse making, blame shifting and outright lying.

We are tired of the national narrative that gets nowhere near the truth.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/a-fathers-lament-as-town-terrorised-by...

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Reply #4 - Nov 23^rd, 2025 at 8:58pm

Too many of those now demanding “truth telling” are bent on attacking our values and way of life rather than displaying any concern for the lives and welfare of the most vulnerable among those they purport to represent. Too many politicians cravenly bend the knee to them with no idea of how to hear the voices of the real oppressed.

As long as this goes on no “gap” will be closed.

We are saddened and angered by those who make us the victims of their crimes but we understand why they do it. They have been disastrously failed by the schools. We have not taught them the best of who we are, including the speaking, let alone reading and writing, of standard English. We have been too fearful of damaging their own languages and cultures, but now those too are rapidly disappearing.

Stereotypes and straight-out lies
They are retaining the worst of their own cultures and learning the worst of ours by default. All of this touches us directly. Our own nephew – orphaned tragically as a boy – is now incarcerated for manslaughter. We knew he was in for a sad and difficult life. We tried to steer him away from a life of crime. We were opposed by defence lawyers and too many of his other relatives who had no respect for our law or of their own traditional authority holders for that matter.

When we gather as an ethnically diverse community to express our concerns and look for solutions we are called “white supremacists” or coconuts and Uncle Toms by radicals recently imported into our town, often employed and certainly sought out by the ABC and SBS. That is the message they send to the world. They deal in stereotypes and straight-out lies.

We can’t give in to the disastrously fashionable suicidal empathy of the left, now being rapidly mainstreamed. We can’t ignore the despair of parents and grandparents who no longer have control over their offspring, believing that they can do nothing to free them from the influence of a self-destructive peer group. They have been convinced by radicals, not their own elders, that nothing they do is blameworthy because they are the victims of the contrived phantasmagoria of colonialism, white privilege and systemic racism. To be led away from a short, brutal life of crime and despair they must first face effective and serious consequences for their actions. Otherwise, these kids will be in the “big house” doing adult time by the time they are 18 and, not long after, dead well before their time.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/a-fathers-lament-as-town-terrorised-by...

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Reply #6 - Nov 23^rd, 2025 at 10:37pm

That'll be the day. You cannot derive truth from Chinese whispers passed down from mouth to mouth. Long ago now I went through the 'Appin Massacre' for you and showed the flaws in listening to Chinese whispers.

Firstly the Abos involved had already killed more Settlers than the number of their own group, some of them defenceless women and children.... they were not 'driven off a cliff' - they leapt into a rocky channel either for tactical advantage or to try to escape and it was only a few feet deep... they made no attempt to surrender and face justice for murder and chose to fight it out and the MEN were all killed ... the women and children were taken into protective custody (in direct contrast to their brutal murders of women and children) and treated humanely.

So if you want Truth Telling and not truth-telling - you need to look at all the facts and genuine history. Truth-telling is a parlour game played around the campfire when stories are told .. Truth Telling is gathering all the facts and determining as closely as possible what the truth was.

Oh - that's First Colonisers ...or any number of other Colonisers who supplanted those already living on that land, by brute force, genocide and brutal warfare. First colonisers, second colonisers, third colonisers ... when you work out all the changes of 'ownership' let me know.

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Reply #7 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 6:13am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2025 at 10:37pm:

That'll be the day. You cannot derive truth from Chinese whispers passed down from mouth to mouth. Long ago now I went through the 'Appin Massacre' for you and showed the flaws in listening to Chinese whispers.

Firstly the Abos involved had already killed more Settlers than the number of their own group, some of them defenceless women and children.... they were not 'driven off a cliff' - they leapt into a rocky channel either for tactical advantage or to try to escape and it was only a few feet deep... they made no attempt to surrender and face justice for murder and chose to fight it out and the MEN were all killed ... the women and children were taken into protective custody (in direct contrast to their brutal murders of women and children) and treated humanely.

So if you want Truth Telling and not truth-telling - you need to look at all the facts and genuine history. Truth-telling is a parlour game played around the campfire when stories are told .. Truth Telling is gathering all the facts and determining as closely as possible what the truth was.

Oh - that's First Colonisers ...or any number of other Colonisers who supplanted those already living on that land, by brute force, genocide and brutal warfare. First colonisers, second colonisers, third colonisers ... when you work out all the changes of 'ownership' let me know.

Christ on a bike you talk some absolute crap.

And as i and others have pointed out to you repeatedly, you are offensively wrong about the Appine massacre. But there is simply no telling you. At least, nobody has succeeded thus far.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53974 Gender:	Re: First Nations leaders hope to pursue truth telling Reply #8 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 6:17am Aborigines are racist. Immigration is invasion. Anyone born here must submit to the Aborigines First Nation Dictatorship that extorts tribute from taxpayers.
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Reply #9 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:20am

We can’t give in to the disastrously fashionable suicidal empathy of the left, now being rapidly mainstreamed. We can’t ignore the despair of parents and grandparents who no longer have control over their offspring, believing that they can do nothing to free them from the influence of a self-destructive peer group. They have been convinced by radicals, not their own elders, that nothing they do is blameworthy because they are the victims of the contrived phantasmagoria of colonialism, white privilege and systemic racism. To be led away from a short, brutal life of crime and despair they must first face effective and serious consequences for their actions. Otherwise, these kids will be in the “big house” doing adult time by the time they are 18 and, not long after, dead well before their time.

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Reply #10 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:30am

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:20am:

We can’t give in to the disastrously fashionable suicidal empathy of the left, now being rapidly mainstreamed. We can’t ignore the despair of parents and grandparents who no longer have control over their offspring, believing that they can do nothing to free them from the influence of a self-destructive peer group. They have been convinced by radicals, not their own elders, that nothing they do is blameworthy because they are the victims of the contrived phantasmagoria of colonialism, white privilege and systemic racism. To be led away from a short, brutal life of crime and despair they must first face effective and serious consequences for their actions. Otherwise, these kids will be in the “big house” doing adult time by the time they are 18 and, not long after, dead well before their time.

“Our youth love luxury. They have bad manners and despise authority. They show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter instead of exercise. Young people are now tyrants, not the servants of their household. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up food and terrorize their teachers.”

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53974 Gender:	Re: First Nations leaders hope to pursue truth telling Reply #11 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:41am Mothra is on the forum looking for some free handouts. Even Marla puts in more work than Mothra.
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Reply #12 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:47am

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:30am:

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 7:20am:

We can’t give in to the disastrously fashionable suicidal empathy of the left, now being rapidly mainstreamed. We can’t ignore the despair of parents and grandparents who no longer have control over their offspring, believing that they can do nothing to free them from the influence of a self-destructive peer group. They have been convinced by radicals, not their own elders, that nothing they do is blameworthy because they are the victims of the contrived phantasmagoria of colonialism, white privilege and systemic racism. To be led away from a short, brutal life of crime and despair they must first face effective and serious consequences for their actions. Otherwise, these kids will be in the “big house” doing adult time by the time they are 18 and, not long after, dead well before their time.

“Our youth love luxury. They have bad manners and despise authority. They show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter instead of exercise. Young people are now tyrants, not the servants of their household. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up food and terrorize their teachers.”

"They are retaining the worst of their own cultures and learning the worst of ours by default."

They have been disastrously failed by the schools. We have not taught them the best of who we are, including the speaking, let alone reading and writing, of standard English. We have been too fearful of damaging their own languages and cultures, but now those too are rapidly disappearing.

These young Central Australian criminals were desperately trying to ape the adult gang culture of black America, so often portrayed by Hollywood and the music industry. The title was Bad Boyz Bloods x B Block Boyz; their theme was “creeping while you’re sleeping”.

They retain the worst parts of their culture:

Steve visited an Aboriginal friend a little farther away. He insisted that he, too, could not control the juvenile visitors to his house because his law restricted his authority. As a result his own car had been stolen by a “visitor” and used to drive to the Harts Range races a couple of hundred kilometres away.

He intended to use his family network to impose a traditional, and probably effective, physical penalty on him. He also told Steve he was aware that it was the actual daughter of the woman who insisted that his house had been broken into by “visitors” who’d committed the crime. Tradition encourages the shifting of blame as far as possible away from the perpetrator’s family because traditional punishment is very severe and could be imposed on any of the perpetrator’s close family as well as on the perpetrator. There is also a very strong tendency to tell questioners, especially white ones and the police, what it is thought they want to hear rather than what is verifiable truth. This can result in naive confessions and the arrest of the innocent as well as protestations of innocence and blame shifting by offenders.

(From the same article)

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3194 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: First Nations leaders hope to pursue truth telling Reply #13 - Nov 24^th, 2025 at 10:05am Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 1:59pm: First Nations leaders hope Labor will use big majority to pursue national truth telling They should be careful. If they catch it, the real, truely true truth may not be palatable.
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