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Reply #15 - May 29^th, 2025 at 5:53pm

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Bobby,

You can't lock up the apex gang.

Channel 7 and 9 news won't have any content

In Melbourne we all live in fear of the gangs now.
Channel 7 and 9 news, reinforces our fears.
There are 40 gangs now, fighting for territory.
The cops are on to all of them but the magistrates let them out on bail.

You can do certain things to help - e.g.

don't fill up for petrol at night to avoid car jackings and stabbings.

I bet the magistrates live in gated communities

Yes - with good security and undercover parking with
radio controlled garage door openers -
bars on the windows and alarm systems - they are safe from the gangs
even if they drive a new Mercedes -
the favorite cars of the gangs for high speed freeway car chases.

We really need to pass legislation that politicians and the judiciary must live in houses with public housing in close proximity. This would keep them grounded.
Alternatively, people released on bail should be accommodated in bail houses , as the next door neighbours of judges.
After all, they are safe to reside in the community, are they not ?

I know someone who lives in a block of 10 or more Units.
Some of those Units were bought by the Govt back in the 1990s
and are let out to disadvantaged people as community housing.
The people who live in those special Units are nothing but trouble -
cops are there once per week sorting out issues:
violence, domestic disputes with weapons, alcoholism,
drug abuse, vandalism, graffiti, unpaid fines, gang membership.

Imagine having to put up with that?
That's what Judges and Magistrates need to experience.

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #16 - May 29^th, 2025 at 6:04pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 4:52pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 8:07am:

Then children should have the rights of adults, such as voting.

No - the idea is that if they abrogate the rights of others, they pay the time. They're not forwarded on to the Big House until they are eighteen... wassa madda you?

So as reward for being a murderer etc - they get to vote early? Is that the idea?

Children being treated as adults, all children not jailed, they must be eligible to vote and run for government.

At the same time, consequences for actions must apply to governments, considering our current society was created by multitudes of bad decisions over the past 200+ years.

If politicians are shown to have made decisions detrimental for today's children,
hanging them could fit their crime.

For example. Queensland politicians allowing ecological damage that lowers the current living standards of today's children. This is a crime.

Ai - when you hang a man you better look at him.

Ditto when kids face the death penalty.
Everyone know's jailing kids will not work.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120705 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Adult time for adult crime Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2025 at 6:26pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 6:04pm: Ditto when kids face the death penalty. Everyone know's jailing kids will not work. But you have to protect society from ratbags.
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Ai_Took_Our_Jobs Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 931 Gender:	Re: Adult time for adult crime Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2025 at 6:36pm Ratbags are the sign of a misaligned society.
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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #19 - May 29^th, 2025 at 7:20pm

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 8:07am:

Then children should have the rights of adults, such as voting.

No - the idea is that if they abrogate the rights of others, they pay the time. They're not forwarded on to the Big House until they are eighteen... wassa madda you?

So as reward for being a murderer etc - they get to vote early? Is that the idea?

Children being treated as adults, all children not jailed, they must be eligible to vote and run for government.

At the same time, consequences for actions must apply to governments, considering our current society was created by multitudes of bad decisions over the past 200+ years.

If politicians are shown to have made decisions detrimental for today's children, hanging them could fit their crime.

For example. Queensland politicians allowing ecological damage that lowers the current living standards of today's children. This is a crime.

Lots of good ideas there. Trouble is - lines have to be drawn on these outlaws. If a kid comes at you with a gun in hand - are you suggesting we do not shoot him?

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #20 - May 29^th, 2025 at 7:37pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 4:44pm:

I agree with Adult time for adult crime.
We are not talking about a mistake here.
It's not a teen who had a brainless moment.
We are talking about a young criminal who has deliberately damaged an innocent persons life

Children get taught that by adults, even if they are still children - which they are.
Feeding them to adult paedophiles in an adult prison is a crime itself in my view.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #21 - May 29^th, 2025 at 7:48pm

"If a kid comes at you with a gun in hand - are you suggesting we do not shoot him?"

The Making Queensland Safer (Adult Crime, Adult Time) Amendment Bill 2025 provides for an additional 20 Adult Crime, Adult Time offences, including attempted murder, rape, attempted rape, torture, aggravated attempted robbery, trafficking in dangerous drugs, and endangering a police officer when driving a motor vehicle.

Sure, society protected from gun violence, no issue there. Thing is, for a child to get a gun suggests lax gun laws.

My main issues are
1. trafficking in dangerous drugs. Children trafficing are probably doing so to feed a drug addiction. Jailing a child for an addiction is overkill.
2. endangering a police officer when driving a motor vehicle. Racial profiling would mean any dark skin child behind a wheel will be jailed.

Children in jail will result in recidivism. That's a waste of life and a massive longterm cost on society.

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Reply #22 - May 29^th, 2025 at 8:03pm

The saving grace as a child (like those children soldiers in Africa) is that childhood allows that window of innocence/opportunity to change their way. For the poison to not take full effect. For a better chance for their soul and mind to redeem them.
If they believe they are adults, then it's more likely they are set in stone and inner innocence will never have the chance to allow them to change.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #23 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:26am

Jasin wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 7:51am:

Agree.

Adult is anyone 20+ years of age.
Because a 19 year old is still a teenager just like a 13 year old is. Still a kid.

The fact that late teens are sometimes forced to consider themselves as adults, is probably the reason why the crime, violence etc. Let them enjoy the innocence of youth to their max and maybe they won't be so guilty in failing to be adults.

Legal sex should be 20+ too. How much better will it be for them to experience such when their teenie hormones stabilise after that.

Silly bollox .... they vote at 18, allowed to drink at 18 & they can be sent to war at 18.

The 20/21 yr old thing is history.

If a teen under 18 commits what is considered adult crime then they should do adult time.

You try telling them they aren't adults for everything else ....... only a kid when they're in strife.

They know right from wrong.

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Reply #24 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:29am

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 8:07am:

Then children should have the rights of adults, such as voting.

Rubbish - they get to drive cars legally at 17, vote at 18 & drink at 18 - go to war at 18.

Juvenile delinquents under 17 who commit serious adult crime should be held to account - that does not mean they should be allowed to vote.

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Reply #25 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:31am

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 8:07am:

Then children should have the rights of adults, such as voting.

No - the idea is that if they abrogate the rights of others, they pay the time. They're not forwarded on to the Big House until they are eighteen... wassa madda you?

So as reward for being a murderer etc - they get to vote early? Is that the idea?

Children being treated as adults, all children not jailed, they must be eligible to vote and run for government.

At the same time, consequences for actions must apply to governments, considering our current society was created by multitudes of bad decisions over the past 200+ years.

If politicians are shown to have made decisions detrimental for today's children, hanging them could fit their crime.

For example. Queensland politicians allowing ecological damage that lowers the current living standards of today's children. This is a crime.

You're an idiot.

What ecological damage are you referring too?

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #26 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:35am

Jasin wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 4:44pm:

I agree with Adult time for adult crime.
We are not talking about a mistake here.
It's not a teen who had a brainless moment.
We are talking about a young criminal who has deliberately damaged an innocent persons life

Children get taught that by adults, even if they are still children - which they are.
Feeding them to adult paedophiles in an adult prison is a crime itself in my view.

They are not being put in Adult Prisons.

They are to be given adult sentences - they are jailed in Youth Detention centres.

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #27 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:39am

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Yes - with good security and undercover parking with
radio controlled garage door openers -
bars on the windows and alarm systems - they are safe from the gangs
even if they drive a new Mercedes -
the favorite cars of the gangs for high speed freeway car chases.

christ you're an idiot. I doubt you'll ever find a judge living in a house with bars on the windows

and no one is stopping you getting an alarm, put flood lighting in and getting an automatic door opener ... i doubt any house built after the late 70's early 80s even has a garage without a remote door opener

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #28 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:41am

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

"If a kid comes at you with a gun in hand - are you suggesting we do not shoot him?"

The Making Queensland Safer (Adult Crime, Adult Time) Amendment Bill 2025 provides for an additional 20 Adult Crime, Adult Time offences, including attempted murder, rape, attempted rape, torture, aggravated attempted robbery, trafficking in dangerous drugs, and endangering a police officer when driving a motor vehicle.

Sure, society protected from gun violence, no issue there. Thing is, for a child to get a gun suggests lax gun laws.

My main issues are
1. trafficking in dangerous drugs. Children trafficing are probably doing so to feed a drug addiction. Jailing a child for an addiction is overkill.
2. endangering a police officer when driving a motor vehicle. Racial profiling would mean any dark skin child behind a wheel will be jailed.

Children in jail will result in recidivism. That's a waste of life and a massive long term cost on society.

You really are stupid ..... we have some of the toughest gun laws on the planet.

Criminals don't obey laws. Criminals can still get guns.

Only law abiding citizens obey the gun laws.

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Children in jail will result in recidivism.

They are already recidivist criminals without being sent to jail for any length of time or at all.

That's why these laws were made. The juvenile justice system is just a revolving door and the general public has had enough of the juvenile crime wave.

WTF is wrong with you?

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Re: Adult time for adult crime
Reply #29 - Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:44am

Jasin wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 8:03pm:

The saving grace as a child (like those children soldiers in Africa) is that childhood allows that window of innocence/opportunity to change their way. For the poison to not take full effect. For a better chance for their soul and mind to redeem them.
If they believe they are adults, then it's more likely they are set in stone and inner innocence will never have the chance to allow them to change.

Those child soldiers bought to Australia become part of the African gangs committing crime with machetes/swords here. They are ticking timebombs.

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