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King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
May 26^th, 2025 at 8:53pm

In what is being touted as a kick up the arse to Trump, and his egregious swipe at Canadian sovereignty, King Charles was invited by Mark Carney to open Canada's parliament.

An understandable gesture, given Trump's drivel, but how is it that the normally irony-savvy British have not picked up on the irony of a nation asserting its independence and sovereignty by inviting its constitutionally and necessarily foreign king to open its parliament?

"We're free and independent... and here's our foreign head of state to prove it!"

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Reply #1 - May 26^th, 2025 at 9:06pm

Charles flies in by Airbus Voyager of his Royal Air Force as King of Canada. The Commons and Lords have no say about Canadians. Charles needs to be careful the CIA don't grab him as an enemy alien.

(Canada ended appeals to Charles in Privy Council in 1949 but Oz can still do it, which puts Canada ahead on independence from Mr Windsor).

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54773 Gender:	Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament Reply #2 - May 26^th, 2025 at 9:15pm Charles Master of Ceremony, but not of Politics
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Reply #3 - May 26^th, 2025 at 10:48pm

chimera wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 9:06pm:

Charles flies in by Airbus Voyager of his Royal Air Force as King of Canada. The Commons and Lords have no say about Canadians. Charles needs to be careful the CIA don't grab him as an enemy alien.

(Canada ended appeals to Charles in Privy Council in 1949 but Oz can still do it, which puts Canada ahead on independence from Mr Windsor).

Err, the Australia Act of 1986 ended the right of Appeal to the UK House of Lords for all Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - May 26^th, 2025 at 11:14pm

The Royals of the United Kingdom serves Europe (like King George supported Nazi Germany) and will one day kneel before the King of Europe via Italy's Eurovision Royalty.

...while political Great Britain dies before a Unified Israel/Islam (Istari) as it fades into the greater West, to be reborn in reclamation of America.

This is the 'difference' between the United Kingdom of Royal Entertainment (the Left) and Great Britain of Politics (the Right).

I am beyond the Twilight Zone. Grin

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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #5 - May 27^th, 2025 at 1:08am

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:48pm:

the Australia Act of 1986 ended the right of Appeal

States can't appeal to Privy Council but Commonwealth can.
s 74. 'Except as provided in this section, this Constitution shall not impair any right which the Queen may be pleased to exercise by virtue of Her Royal prerogative to grant special leave of appeal from the High Court to Her Majesty in Council'.

'Section 74 of the Constitution has not been amended, and the Constitution cannot be amended by legislation alone'.
So the Australia Act, which is subject to the constitution, can be repealed and s 74 will then continue in force. An appeal was able to be active after 1986 if already approved. Australia is on record as having the UK Council written into Commonwealth structure, the one detail which is British.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16339 Gender:	Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament Reply #6 - May 27^th, 2025 at 8:07am It seems Canadians are awake to the apparent irony of their foreign head of state... They've gone to great lengths to insist that King Charles, when in Canada, is Canadian. Even to the point of welcoming him home when he stepped off the plane.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13744 Armidale Gender:	Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament Reply #7 - May 27^th, 2025 at 8:13am 'The relevant royal proclamation was issued on 8 January 2024, and since then the sovereign's style and titles in Canada are Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Canada'. (This can't be translated into French, though).
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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #8 - May 27^th, 2025 at 2:11pm

chimera wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:48pm:

the Australia Act of 1986 ended the right of Appeal

States can't appeal to Privy Council but Commonwealth can.
s 74. 'Except as provided in this section, this Constitution shall not impair any right which the Queen may be pleased to exercise by virtue of Her Royal prerogative to grant special leave of appeal from the High Court to Her Majesty in Council'.

'Section 74 of the Constitution has not been amended, and the Constitution cannot be amended by legislation alone'.
So the Australia Act, which is subject to the constitution, can be repealed and s 74 will then continue in force. An appeal was able to be active after 1986 if already approved. Australia is on record as having the UK Council written into Commonwealth structure, the one detail which is British.

Not quite. Section 74 was abrogated by the UK's passing it's own version of the Australia Act in 1986, which in turn prevented any Australian appealing to the UK Privy Council. Therefore, the process was closed at both ends. So, there was to be no appeals allowed to the UK Privy Council.

As Wikipedia points out:

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Section 74 of the Constitution has not been amended, and the Constitution cannot be amended by legislation alone.[n 6] Nonetheless, s 11 of the Australia Act goes as far as legislatively possible, to make s 74 a dead letter. Thus, for practical purposes, the Australia Act has eliminated the remaining methods of appeal to the Privy Council.[^{n 7}]

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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #9 - May 27^th, 2025 at 2:15pm

chimera wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 9:06pm:

Charles flies in by Airbus Voyager of his Royal Air Force as King of Canada. The Commons and Lords have no say about Canadians. Charles needs to be careful the CIA don't grab him as an enemy alien.

(Canada ended appeals to Charles in Privy Council in 1949 but Oz can still do it, which puts Canada ahead on independence from Mr Windsor).

Jayzuz far king Krist.

Appeals from Australia to the Privy Council ended around the mid 1980s (1986 at a guess...Australia Act or similar,)
FFS.

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Oh, I read the post of Chimera, replied, before I saw what followed from others.

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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #10 - May 27^th, 2025 at 2:51pm

There is uncertainty about who 'owns' the Oz Constitution which is why 2 of 1986 Acts were passed. Oz but not UK can alter the Constitution by referendum. The King of Oz is a different beast from Rule Britannia. Passing 1986 means the Act can be 'unpassed', repealed, undone and we go back to s 74.
's 11 of the Australia Act goes as far as legislatively possible, to make s 74 a dead letter.' That's a bit woofy for a legal definition. Dead letters in the post office can be claimed. A pistol hidden in a drawer and not used is still a pistol.

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Reply #11 - May 27^th, 2025 at 4:14pm

chimera wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 2:51pm:

There is uncertainty about who 'owns' the Oz Constitution which is why 2 of 1986 Acts were passed. Oz but not UK can alter the Constitution by referendum. The King of Oz is a different beast from Rule Britannia. Passing 1986 means the Act can be 'unpassed', repealed, undone and we go back to s 74.
's 11 of the Australia Act goes as far as legislatively possible, to make s 74 a dead letter.' That's a bit woofy for a legal definition. Dead letters in the post office can be claimed. A pistol hidden in a drawer and not used is still a pistol.

As already noted, the Act was passed by the UK and the Australian Parliaments. No matter what Oz does, we cannot go back to S.74 of the Constitution because the UK has passed an act that abrogates the right of Oz citizens to appeal to the UK's Privy Council. S.74 is effectively dead as far as Oz is concerned and buried well and truly six feet under. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #12 - May 27^th, 2025 at 4:22pm

chimera wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 2:51pm:

There is uncertainty about who 'owns' the Oz Constitution which is why 2 of 1986 Acts were passed. Oz but not UK can alter the Constitution by referendum. The King of Oz is a different beast from Rule Britannia. Passing 1986 means the Act can be 'unpassed', repealed, undone and we go back to s 74.
's 11 of the Australia Act goes as far as legislatively possible, to make s 74 a dead letter.' That's a bit woofy for a legal definition. Dead letters in the post office can be claimed. A pistol hidden in a drawer and not used is still a pistol.

The Forum's counsellor has even put it in Latin for you

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

Jayzuz far king Krist.

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Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament
Reply #13 - May 27^th, 2025 at 4:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

In what is being touted as a kick up the arse to Trump, and his egregious swipe at Canadian sovereignty, King Charles was invited by Mark Carney to open Canada's parliament.

An understandable gesture, given Trump's drivel, but how is it that the normally irony-savvy British have not picked up on the irony of a nation asserting its independence and sovereignty by inviting its constitutionally and necessarily foreign king to open its parliament?

"We're free and independent... and here's our foreign head of state to prove it!"

Charles III is not a foreigner in Canada, as King of the Constitutional Monarchy of Canada he is the Canadian Head of State and therefore a Canadian, just as he is an Australian.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54773 Gender:	Re: King Charles To Open Canadian Parliament Reply #14 - May 27^th, 2025 at 4:48pm Isn't dual citizenship in Australia frowned upon?
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