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Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:50am

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:43am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:40am:

I may well be lost in my own fantasies her but what of converting some of that space into residential? A combined effort with both governments helping?

I mean, if we actually want to solve our problems and stuff.

Hi mothra.

Actually, that has been suggested by a few people during the past couple of years and it would be a great idea.

I guess it's another one of those things that was put in the "too hard" basket (and will probably stay there, unfortunately).

Perhaps it will wriggle about in the too hard basket so exuberantly it will be noticed.

Business wil lead this, government will follow. And from what i can tell, business is finding that it makes fiscal sense to have workers operate from home.

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Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:23pm

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:15am:

The only thing i can put the outrage over working from home is is petty jealousy. But that is pretty typical of the Boomers on here.

Working from home makes all the sense in the world. One of the best things that came out of lockdown.

'petty ........... jealousy'..... **rolls that around the tongue a little** .....

NOPE! It's a simple matter that certain kinds or 'classes' of worker do NOT have entitlement to cost-saving work ways over others.

No cost to travel to work, no cost for childcare, no cost for clothing etc required .... one class of 'worker' gets it - most do not ...NOPE .... the point is that they are required in the office in order to be instantly available in all ways to handle any issue that arises.

Now if businesses were to pay EXTRA to those who actually put in an appearance at work.... or that every single such cost was made a tax deduction but not for those who work from home ..... it might be Equal and Equitable....

As it is - it is nothing of the kind - it is a hidden pay rise and a privilege over-used - and is overdue for withdrawal.

If they don't want to return to work ......................... so be it! they can take their chances in the Jobless Market alongside the peasants.

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:26pm

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21am:

As long as the work gets done, who gives a crap where they work from. The problem is the higher ups have no one to lord over when they're the only ones in the office

So you agree that all personnel should be onboard and on deck in order to deal with any incident arising? Back to the office.

You concretors are exempt, of course - you can just work from home every damned day, right?

What is your dog in this hunt?

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Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:25am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:15am:

Working from home makes all the sense in the world. One of the best things that came out of lockdown.

And something that has been imagined for decades as an ideal working state - telecommuting, as it was known.

Ironic that those who complain of rampant immigration do not support a working environment that gives women, among other things, a chance at both career advancement and child-rearing.

Also, it is already evolving from work-from-home to work-from-anywhere, with a significant percentage of late Millennials and Zoomers characterising themselves or aspiring to be digital nomads.

With Boomers, having locked down the property market and capital, leaving Zoomers with little to no hope of owning a home, they'd want to leave them nothing at all to aspire to other than life in an office box?

Laughable on all fronts - people oppose Mass Immigration - you hit the truth yourself with RAMPANT immigration .... an entirely different virus ..... which exactly working environment should be giving to women alone the chance for both career advancement and child-rearing? One that essentially is not a job at all? No woman can serve two masters..... get with it.

You won't get any more pussy by sucking up for it - you'll end up scorned and used by all.

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Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:44pm

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:30am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21am:

As long as the work gets done, who gives a crap where they work from. The problem is the higher ups have no one to lord over when they're the only ones in the office

You've hit on something there. Working from home cuts out middle management to a degree. Even forces reconsideration of upper management.

Sign of the times.

Something no doubt being factored in by businesses for years already.

My daughter's boyfriend works from home. Has for years now. Private company.

It's not new, it makes absolute sense in many instances.

All of which adds to unemployment and destroys general prosperity and leads to more and greater social and economic divides. A disrupted economy which less and less employs people...

You people are astounding - you will hit the roof if anyone suggests getting rid of childcare facilities - screaming that the unemployment caused itself would be a disaster... yet when it comes to 'middle managers' and others of a 'less reputable' CLASS - you are happy to see them bite the dust... your nobility of the woman worker from home saving all costs of working is economic and social nonsense, and is part of the downward path for the global economy - of which the New West (which includes Japan and increasingly China and India) still controls the very vast majority.

Does your childcare worker work from home? Does your surgeon? Does your garbage collector? Is World War III run from home? Do Androids Dream Of Electronic Sheep?

NOPE. I'm afraid that a pay rise by reducing costs of actually working is not on the cards, and your myth of the nobility of the person working from home is just that - a myth.

Back To The Office! You've had your holiday, reno'd the house, saved all that money you'd have spent on childcare and travel costs and so forth... maybe even gone on holiday while working taking your laptop with you.

BACK TO THE OFFICE! You can handle anything that comes up that way and actually work face to face with others in designing ideas, policies, and actual work. The de-humanising of workers into androids who dream of electronic work is no way a good thing.

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Those who just think they work say
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Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:59pm

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:35am:

I'm pretty sure the biggest 'push' to put an end to working from home is coming from the CBD office landlords who don't want to lose too much of the obscene amount of rent they charge.

Oh, and I'm also pretty sure the CBD coffee shop owners - the 'go to' people (after the airlines) for Covid pandemic health "advice" have a lot to do with the push to end working from home as well.

And let's not forget governments who also stand to lose lots of money from people working from home not having to use public transport... and CBD car park operators... the list of greedy, selfish people goes on and on...

(Hey, Bobby... we're still "during Covid", by the way).

I may well be lost in my own fantasies her but what of converting some of that space into residential? A combined effort with both governments helping?

I mean, if we actually want to solve our problems and stuff.

They don't like that because you'll never match the rates you can get with commercial rent, to that which you get with residential. Couple that with the fact that most commercial leases leave all the repairs to the tenant .. residential rent the repairs fall on the landlord. Commercial is far more lucrative

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Re: Work from home ends bludgers threaten to quit
Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:23pm:

NOPE! It's a simple matter that certain kinds or 'classes' of worker do NOT have entitlement to cost-saving work ways over others.

No cost to travel to work, no cost for childcare, no cost for clothing etc required .... one class of 'worker' gets it - most do not ...NOPE .... the point is that they are required in the office in order to be instantly available in all ways to handle any issue that arises.

what planet do you live on? many workers already are entitled to 'cost savings work' not necessarily available to others and have been since forever ... are you drunk? Cheesy

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Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:05pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:47am:

Let's look at it simply - if they are not happy to work to the rules - they are not the kind of people you want working for you. Their departure will fall in line with the banks' push to get rid of staff... let them walk into a jobless market.

People are not paid to work from home - they are paid to be on deck and available at a moment's notice to deal with anything that comes up - no matter how minor.

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Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:05pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:47am:

Let's look at it simply - if they are not happy to work to the rules - they are not the kind of people you want working for you. Their departure will fall in line with the banks' push to get rid of staff... let them walk into a jobless market.

People are not paid to work from home - they are paid to be on deck and available at a moment's notice to deal with anything that comes up - no matter how minor.

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You are an old crusty, dessicated turd, turd, what the hell??. Cheesy

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Re: Work from home ends bludgers threaten to quit
Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:28pm

Frank wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:05pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 7:47am:

Let's look at it simply - if they are not happy to work to the rules - they are not the kind of people you want working for you. Their departure will fall in line with the banks' push to get rid of staff... let them walk into a jobless market.

People are not paid to work from home - they are paid to be on deck and available at a moment's notice to deal with anything that comes up - no matter how minor.

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You are an old crusty, dessicated turd, turd, what the hell??. Cheesy

Seems like you hit a soft spot there Greggy.

Looks like you triggered an angry teapot to boil out of control. All those teapot-themed insults have been nothing but projection all along.

An embarrassing night for you indeed, Frannie.

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Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:02pm

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:35am:

I'm pretty sure the biggest 'push' to put an end to working from home is coming from the CBD office landlords who don't want to lose too much of the obscene amount of rent they charge.

Oh, and I'm also pretty sure the CBD coffee shop owners - the 'go to' people (after the airlines) for Covid pandemic health "advice" have a lot to do with the push to end working from home as well.

And let's not forget governments who also stand to lose lots of money from people working from home not having to use public transport... and CBD car park operators... the list of greedy, selfish people goes on and on...

(Hey, Bobby... we're still "during Covid", by the way).

I may well be lost in my own fantasies her but what of converting some of that space into residential? A combined effort with both governments helping?

I mean, if we actually want to solve our problems and stuff.

They don't like that because you'll never match the rates you can get with commercial rent, to that which you get with residential. Couple that with the fact that most commercial leases leave all the repairs to the tenant .. residential rent the repairs fall on the landlord. Commercial is far more lucrative

I imagine they'd prefer it to an empty building but i didn't know that. Thanks for filling me in.

I would like to think that compromises can be found, with the assistance f government; incentives and tax breaks and stuff.

All i know is we have a lot of empty space nd a lot of homeless people. Seems ridiculous that we can't mke it work.

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Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:07pm

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:35am:

I'm pretty sure the biggest 'push' to put an end to working from home is coming from the CBD office landlords who don't want to lose too much of the obscene amount of rent they charge.

Oh, and I'm also pretty sure the CBD coffee shop owners - the 'go to' people (after the airlines) for Covid pandemic health "advice" have a lot to do with the push to end working from home as well.

And let's not forget governments who also stand to lose lots of money from people working from home not having to use public transport... and CBD car park operators... the list of greedy, selfish people goes on and on...

(Hey, Bobby... we're still "during Covid", by the way).

I may well be lost in my own fantasies her but what of converting some of that space into residential? A combined effort with both governments helping?

I mean, if we actually want to solve our problems and stuff.

They don't like that because you'll never match the rates you can get with commercial rent, to that which you get with residential. Couple that with the fact that most commercial leases leave all the repairs to the tenant .. residential rent the repairs fall on the landlord. Commercial is far more lucrative

I imagine they'd prefer it to an empty building but i didn't know that. Thanks for filling me in.

I would like to think that compromises can be found, with the assistance f government; incentives and tax breaks and stuff.

All i know is we have a lot of empty space nd a lot of homeless people. Seems ridiculous that we can't mke it work.

i agree .. but they should start with all the empty houses. And do something about Air BnB ... what started as a way to rent a spare room has now decimated rental supplies in many towns.

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Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:14pm

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:07pm:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 8:35am:

I'm pretty sure the biggest 'push' to put an end to working from home is coming from the CBD office landlords who don't want to lose too much of the obscene amount of rent they charge.

Oh, and I'm also pretty sure the CBD coffee shop owners - the 'go to' people (after the airlines) for Covid pandemic health "advice" have a lot to do with the push to end working from home as well.

And let's not forget governments who also stand to lose lots of money from people working from home not having to use public transport... and CBD car park operators... the list of greedy, selfish people goes on and on...

(Hey, Bobby... we're still "during Covid", by the way).

I may well be lost in my own fantasies her but what of converting some of that space into residential? A combined effort with both governments helping?

I mean, if we actually want to solve our problems and stuff.

They don't like that because you'll never match the rates you can get with commercial rent, to that which you get with residential. Couple that with the fact that most commercial leases leave all the repairs to the tenant .. residential rent the repairs fall on the landlord. Commercial is far more lucrative

I imagine they'd prefer it to an empty building but i didn't know that. Thanks for filling me in.

I would like to think that compromises can be found, with the assistance f government; incentives and tax breaks and stuff.

All i know is we have a lot of empty space nd a lot of homeless people. Seems ridiculous that we can't mke it work.

i agree .. but they should start with all the empty houses. And do something about Air BnB ... what started as a way to rent a spare room has now decimated rental supplies in many towns.

My SIL's mother lives in a very affluent suburb here in Adelaide. She tells me that most of the houses around her are now empty ... just sitting there. Overseas investors bought them all up.

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