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Reply #15 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:12pm:

You not a fan of data, science and scientists?

I am a big fan of data, which is why I said it might or might not be a reversal of Climate Change. The scientists not using data? Not so much. Climate models are not data, even if they did run it through one in so short a time frame. Merely a "trust us, we KNOW things" scenario. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18824 Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #16 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:19pm philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:15pm: From the experts you chose to quote....A critical climate warning signal....The message is clear!!! Which message phil? That the ice will vanish in the near term, the mid term, the long term? That Global Warming cannot be reversed?
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Reply #17 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:20pm

lee wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:15pm:

From the experts you chose to quote....A critical climate warning signal....The message is clear!!!

Which message phil? That the ice will vanish in the near term, the mid term, the long term? That Global Warming cannot be reversed? Wink

Hence reducing CO2 from burning fossil fuel....Are you on board now Lee???

Huh

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Reply #18 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:15pm:

lee wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:06pm:

Enhanced mass loss of the Totten, Moscow, Denman, and Vincennes Bay glacier basins, East Antarctica

The four key glacier basins in WL-QML region, i.e., Totten, Moscow University, Denman, and Vincennes Bay, exhibited mass loss intensification with a rate of 47.64±8.14 Gt/yr during 2011-2020, compared to 2002-2010, with the loss area expanding inland. The researchers explained “this accelerated mass loss was primarily driven by two factors: surface mass reduction (contributing 72.53%) and increased ice discharge (27.47%).”

Notably, the complete disintegration of these four glaciers could potentially trigger a global mean sea level rise exceeding 7 meters. Their pronounced ablation patterns already constitute a critical climate warning signal, warranting greater scientific attention to their stability.

Reference: “Spatiotemporal mass change rate analysis from 2002 to 2023 over the Antarctic Ice Sheet and four glacier basins in Wilkes-Queen Mary Land” by Wei Wang, Yunzhong Shen, Qiujie Chen, Fengwei Wang and Yangkang Yu, 19 March 2025, Science China Earth Sciences.

And the SLR is still about 3mm per year. Potential? What is the time line on this "potential". At 3mm per year that would be 2100 years or thereabouts., Oh noes PANIC.

From the experts you chose to quote....A critical climate warning signal....The message is clear!!!

https://scitechdaily.com/antarcticas-astonishing-rebound-ice-sheet-grows-for-the...

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Who should we believe - scientists, or lee? Undecided

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Reply #19 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:31pm

'Antarctic waters are warming, particularly in areas like the West Antarctic Peninsula, where sea surface temperatures have increased by over 1°C (1.8°F) since 1955. This warming, influenced by greenhouse gas emissions, is impacting the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC), the world's strongest ocean current, leading to a potential 20% reduction in its strength by 2050 under a high carbon emissions scenario. Warming waters are also causing ice shelf melting, especially under the West and East Antarctic ice sheets. '
https://www.asoc.org/learn/heating-oceans/

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Reply #20 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:42pm

The weather changes every day.

Look at the Night side of Earth where all those millions of heat generating cities and towns fight against what cooling effect the Night side would offer.
Humanity is a part of nature and thus it is a natural path to heat up the world to free up more land and maybe even Green Antarctica for easier habitation and Real Estate agents.

Throw in the increase in radiation from nukes and an acceleration of genetic mutations might please Marvel Superhero fans.

All in all, remember. Humanity isn't the only intelligent species on this planet. Grin

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #21 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:51pm Jasin wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The weather changes every day. The weather changes every day. The weather changes every day. Green Antarctica for easier habitation and Real Estate agents. the only intelligent species jAsin rote tHis
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Reply #22 - May 15^th, 2025 at 4:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:15pm:

lee wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:06pm:

Enhanced mass loss of the Totten, Moscow, Denman, and Vincennes Bay glacier basins, East Antarctica

The four key glacier basins in WL-QML region, i.e., Totten, Moscow University, Denman, and Vincennes Bay, exhibited mass loss intensification with a rate of 47.64±8.14 Gt/yr during 2011-2020, compared to 2002-2010, with the loss area expanding inland. The researchers explained “this accelerated mass loss was primarily driven by two factors: surface mass reduction (contributing 72.53%) and increased ice discharge (27.47%).”

Notably, the complete disintegration of these four glaciers could potentially trigger a global mean sea level rise exceeding 7 meters. Their pronounced ablation patterns already constitute a critical climate warning signal, warranting greater scientific attention to their stability.

Reference: “Spatiotemporal mass change rate analysis from 2002 to 2023 over the Antarctic Ice Sheet and four glacier basins in Wilkes-Queen Mary Land” by Wei Wang, Yunzhong Shen, Qiujie Chen, Fengwei Wang and Yangkang Yu, 19 March 2025, Science China Earth Sciences.

And the SLR is still about 3mm per year. Potential? What is the time line on this "potential". At 3mm per year that would be 2100 years or thereabouts., Oh noes PANIC.

From the experts you chose to quote....A critical climate warning signal....The message is clear!!!

https://scitechdaily.com/antarcticas-astonishing-rebound-ice-sheet-grows-for-the...

Roll Eyes

Who should we believe - scientists, or lee? Undecided

Is there such a thing as alternative science or selective science....I think Lee has mastered the art!!!

Cool

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87538 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #23 - May 15^th, 2025 at 5:11pm For the ardent researcher after truth - here are the lyrics:- https://genius.com/Tiny-tim-the-other-side-lyrics
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18824 Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #24 - May 15^th, 2025 at 5:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:24pm: Who should we believe - scientists, or lee? Are the scientists relying on data or speculation?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18824 Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #25 - May 15^th, 2025 at 5:54pm philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:56pm: Is there such a thing as alternative science or selective science. No there is just science. It relies on data. Not speculation.
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Reply #26 - May 15^th, 2025 at 6:03pm

lee wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:56pm:

Is there such a thing as alternative science or selective science.

No there is just science. It relies on data. Not speculation. Wink

It relies on both.

"Scientific inquiry often involves speculation, particularly in the early stages of investigation when scientists are formulating hypotheses and developing research questions. Speculation can help generate ideas, explore new avenues of research, and lead to the development of testable theories."

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Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice
Reply #27 - May 15^th, 2025 at 6:06pm

chimera wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 4:31pm:

This warming, influenced by greenhouse gas emissions, is impacting the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC), the world's strongest ocean current, leading to a potential 20% reduction in its strength by 2050 under a high carbon emissions scenario.

Oh the High emissions scenario. The flawed RCP8.5. That's not data. It is so flawed it is not even speculation. Grin

BTW- you do know there was NO measurement of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current until recently? Most of the papers in the reference section talk of the models. Once again MODELS are not DATA.

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Reply #28 - May 15^th, 2025 at 6:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

"Scientific inquiry often involves speculation, particularly in the early stages of investigation when scientists are formulating hypotheses and developing research questions.

So in the early stages. So are we in the "early", "mid" or "late" stages? Wink

Speculation is not data. Does the speculation match the data? Or is it too early to go full blown alarmist? It is data on which scientists should rely. Wink

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Antarctica gains 180 billion tons of ice Reply #29 - May 15^th, 2025 at 6:28pm lee wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:06pm: Most of the papers in the reference section talk of the models. Show where that is done. The ones I read are data. Ths NSIDC graphs I quoted are data.
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