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Reply #45 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:28am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 9:39am:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-i...


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Pakistan-India fighter jet “dog fight” was one of largest and longest
in recent aviation history, source says



From CNN’s Nic Robertson in Islamabad
The “dog fight” between Pakistani and Indian fighter jets, which Pakistani officials say downed five Indian planes, was one of the “largest and longest in recent aviation history,” a senior Pakistani security source told CNN.

A total of 125 fighter jets battled for over an hour, with neither side leaving its own airspace, according to the source who detailed that the missile exchanges were happening at distances sometimes greater than 160 kilometers (100 miles).

Neither side was prepared to send their pilots over the border because of a much smaller dogfight in 2019. An Indian air force pilot was shot down on Pakistani territory and paraded on TV before being returned to India. A humiliation, he said, neither side wanted this time.

At times, the Indian air force had to take multiple runs at targets, according to the source. Pakistan did its best to warn civilians in areas it believed to be potential targets, the source said, and that the military was able to minimize civilian casualties.


Bobby I don't know how much you know about Pak v Ind warfare but the military on both sides will exaggerate any small detail for local consumption. They will also downplay anything that may throw shade on the military.

They will not go to war and all the posturing is just to satisfy each countries political parties, this has gone on for decades and is just like two siblings fighting. Most people don't even know where Kashmir is. Could you honestly say you know what is happening in Kashmir, who controls what and what the Kashmirians actually want.
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Reply #46 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:31am
 
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:28am:
Bobby I don't know how much you know about Pak v Ind warfare but the military on both sides will exaggerate any small detail for local consumption. They will also downplay anything that may throw shade on the military.

They will not go to war and all the posturing is just to satisfy each countries political parties, this has gone on for decades and is just like two siblings fighting. Most people don't even know where Kashmir is. Could you honestly say you know what is happening in Kashmir, who controls what and what the Kashmirians actually want.



Yes - if 5 jets went down then there would be huge impact sites and
at least some pictures would have got out on to social media.
Nothing so far.   Undecided
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Reply #47 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:31am:
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:28am:
Bobby I don't know how much you know about Pak v Ind warfare but the military on both sides will exaggerate any small detail for local consumption. They will also downplay anything that may throw shade on the military.

They will not go to war and all the posturing is just to satisfy each countries political parties, this has gone on for decades and is just like two siblings fighting. Most people don't even know where Kashmir is. Could you honestly say you know what is happening in Kashmir, who controls what and what the Kashmirians actually want.



Yes - if 5 jets went down then there would be huge impact sites and
at least some pictures would have got out on to social media.
Nothing so far.   Undecided


If you follow CNN this is the news: "So far, I can confirm to you that five Indian aircraft - including three Rafale, one SU-30 and one MiG-29 - and one Heron drone have also been shot down,”

Now if you listen to the Pakistan prime Minister: In an address to parliament, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said Pakistan’s military shot down five Indian fighter jets during India’s aerial assault, which he declared as being “befittingly answered”.

By claiming that 5 aircraft were shot down by Pakistan (Who knows) but the crucial part is "befittingly answered", this means Pakistan won and their military have punished India for their attacks.


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Reply #48 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am
 
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.
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Reply #49 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:50am
 
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.


Ok there were 125 aircraft in a dog fight and Pakistan shot down 5 Indian aircraft. I accept you believe that might be true, I on the other hand I don't believe anything like that happened at all.

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Reply #50 - May 8th, 2025 at 10:54am
 
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:50am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.


Ok there were 125 aircraft in a dog fight and Pakistan shot down 5 Indian aircraft. I accept you believe that might be true, I on the other hand I don't believe anything like that happened at all.



But either way, it is newsworthy. It would probably be even more interesting if it was made up.
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Reply #51 - May 8th, 2025 at 11:01am
 
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:54am:
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:50am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.


Ok there were 125 aircraft in a dog fight and Pakistan shot down 5 Indian aircraft. I accept you believe that might be true, I on the other hand I don't believe anything like that happened at all.



But either way, it is newsworthy. It would probably be even more interesting if it was made up.


Thats the major problem worldwide, now unconfirmed reports are considered news. Wouldn't it be better to report confirmed reports instead.
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Reply #52 - May 8th, 2025 at 11:04am
 
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 11:01am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:54am:
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:50am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.


Ok there were 125 aircraft in a dog fight and Pakistan shot down 5 Indian aircraft. I accept you believe that might be true, I on the other hand I don't believe anything like that happened at all.



But either way, it is newsworthy. It would probably be even more interesting if it was made up.


Thats the major problem worldwide, now unconfirmed reports are considered news. Wouldn't it be better to report confirmed reports instead.


Sure, it would have been great if a journalist just happened to be at each of the 5 crash sites to take some photos. But journalists can only report the information at hand, which is exactly what they did. Pakistan claimed to have shot down 5 jets. India has not responded to the claim.

I suppose it is something to do with accepting reality rather than wishing for a fantasy.
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Reply #53 - May 8th, 2025 at 11:28am
 
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 11:04am:
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 11:01am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:54am:
Leroy wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:50am:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Shooting down 5 fighter jets is not a small detail, and hard to exaggerate. They were either shot down or they weren't. 125 fighter jets shooting at each other is also hardly a small detail.


Ok there were 125 aircraft in a dog fight and Pakistan shot down 5 Indian aircraft. I accept you believe that might be true, I on the other hand I don't believe anything like that happened at all.



But either way, it is newsworthy. It would probably be even more interesting if it was made up.


Thats the major problem worldwide, now unconfirmed reports are considered news. Wouldn't it be better to report confirmed reports instead.


Sure, it would have been great if a journalist just happened to be at each of the 5 crash sites to take some photos. But journalists can only report the information at hand, which is exactly what they did. Pakistan claimed to have shot down 5 jets. India has not responded to the claim.

I suppose it is something to do with accepting reality rather than wishing for a fantasy.


Yeah, just let it play out.
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Reply #54 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm
 
As I have been saying for many years in prediction.
Pakistan (and Bangladesh) will go full war with India.
This will be the most devastated effect of Nukes used anywhere in the world.
China is using Pakistan/Bangladesh to 'injure' India with good effect before China itself comes in for the kill.
Racism is War. There is a percentage of it being political, economical and religious. But the greatest percentage is always Race.
Like Ive said. This is all about the Yellow man destroying the Black India and White Russian (and even the Brown Middle-East) incursions into Asia as a mass racial production.
The USSR white incursion into Asia has failed and Yellow Asian will get it's justified revenge.
As General MacArthur said in the Korean War. "We are here to kick the Yellow horde out of Asia" via the default Cold War illusion of turning the Northern Hemisphere 'all white' in convergence.
Don't laugh, it's as simple as it is (when the white desire for global equality existence hadn't comprehended Australia to be the correct path).

So this is why China has no desire, nor need to invade North America or even Australia/Oceania. It's all about reclaiming Asia for the Yellow man... which in essence can be justified.

Like Ive always told you.

...the Ukraine has already drained Russia to a good effect. This also has given China the advantage it needed to invade Russia and take its resource rich Siberia back for the Yellow man.
Russia, when invaded. Will call to the USA for help!
But the USA, having over extended itself economically, is now trying to recoup its economic vacuum of debt and will refuse.

That's #3 advantage for China. No USA involvement.
Only the stupidity of North Korean could force the USA into the conflict with a justified excuse. Russia and India being attacked can not. Even Taiwan I believe, will capitulate without resistance, to China for its own beneficial future of the 'Chinese' National Party given the right to continual existence which mainland China has offered (as a better deal) against Taiwan believing the Democrat LGBTQetc Party being a better option as if it will save their arse.
So again, no excuse for direct USA involvement.

Only when NK bring the USA into the Asian part of the global wars, will you see China also go to war upon Nihon (Japan) and to a lesser extent the Phillipines.
The 2nd half will consist of Vietnam, Myanmar and the other South East 'yellow' nations opposing China.

But in the end. India will suffer the greatest population decimation of any nation. It will continue to exist long after, but more like a refined efficient minority populations existence rather than its current mass production population economy of over a billion towards more. China wins.
Russia will have gone from being the biggest territorial nation as USSR to being far smaller than it is now, with Siberia being the Yellow man's passage to the north. China wins.

What about Australia? Well, we are going to be busy regarding the Phillipines, PNG, Micronesia, Melanesian, Hindu Bali and indigenous (Australasian) Indonesians v ISLAMIC Indonesia.
...and that's just for starters beyond sending our forced like enslaved conscripts on behalf of other nations around the world.

Oh, don't forget. Islam will get it's Messiah (France) to die for its Moslem sins, much like the Jews died for the sins of that German Prophet Hitler. So Europe will be busy there.

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Reply #55 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:31pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
As I have been saying for many years in prediction.
Pakistan (and Bangladesh) will go full war with India.
This will be the most devastated effect of Nukes used anywhere in the world.




No they won't -  MAD - mutually assured destruction.

The only time nukes have ever been used in a war was when the victims didn't have nukes.
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Reply #56 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:38pm
 
Yes they will Bobby. FEAR is the mind killer and like a Terrorist willing to blow itself up just to kill others. So too will this India v Pakistan/Bangladesh aspect come to pass.


India will win against the Suicide Bomber in Pakistan/Bangladesh attack upon it. But India won't survive China coming in for the kill once it is severely wounded from it. Smart China.
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Reply #57 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:48pm
 
For so long being pro Asia and anti Europe.
So too will Russia's pleas for help from Europe will fall upon deaf ears. Russia will be on its own against China.
Expect Finland to help Karelia gain it's Independence ( capital St Petersburg).
Ukraine to reclaim Crimea and it's other territories too.
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Reply #58 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:51pm
 
The end of Russia is near (replaced by Australia)
The end of India is near (replaced by Africa).

Yellow Asia no longer imprisoned by it's great walls Wink
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Reply #59 - May 8th, 2025 at 3:54pm
 
...hell, I even know who the first female President (USA) will be after the dust of all this settles.  Wink
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