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Reply #30 - May 7^th, 2025 at 5:16pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/multiple-loud-explosions-heard-pakist...

India strikes Pakistan over tourist killings, Pakistan says Indian jets downed

By Asif Shahzad and Shivam Patel

May 7, 20254:52 PM GMT+10Updated 22 min ago

Summary

India says it struck terrorist sites in Pakistan

India says it had reports there could be more attacks

Pakistan says mosques, civilians hit, vows to respond

Heavy cross-border shelling by both sides

Reuters Live coverage:

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/NEW DELHI, May 7 (Reuters) - India attacked Pakistan and Pakistani Kashmir on Wednesday and Pakistan said it had shot down five Indian fighter jets in the worst fighting in more than two decades between the nuclear-armed enemies.
The Indian hits on targets in Pakistan's most populous province of Punjab were the first since their last full-scale war more than half a century ago, triggering fears of a further escalation of military hostilities.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the fighting "a shame" and added, "I hope it ends quickly." The State Department said Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke to the national security advisers of both nations, urging "both to keep lines of communication open and avoid escalation."

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Reply #31 - May 7^th, 2025 at 5:20pm

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/multiple-loud-explosions-heard-pakist...

India strikes Pakistan over tourist killings, Pakistan says Indian jets downed

By Asif Shahzad and Shivam Patel

May 7, 20254:52 PM GMT+10Updated 22 min ago

Summary

India says it struck terrorist sites in Pakistan

India says it had reports there could be more attacks

Pakistan says mosques, civilians hit, vows to respond

Heavy cross-border shelling by both sides

Reuters Live coverage:

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/NEW DELHI, May 7 (Reuters) - India attacked Pakistan and Pakistani Kashmir on Wednesday and Pakistan said it had shot down five Indian fighter jets in the worst fighting in more than two decades between the nuclear-armed enemies.
The Indian hits on targets in Pakistan's most populous province of Punjab were the first since their last full-scale war more than half a century ago, triggering fears of a further escalation of military hostilities.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the fighting "a shame" and added, "I hope it ends quickly." The State Department said Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke to the national security advisers of both nations, urging "both to keep lines of communication open and avoid escalation."

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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #32 - May 7^th, 2025 at 5:36pm

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2544343/indian-missile-strikes-hit-muzaffarabad-kot...

Pakistan downs five Indian fighter jets in retaliation for India's missile attack: DG ISPR
26 civilians martyred, 46 injured in Indian strikes, DG ISPR confirms.

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May 07, 2025

Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (DG ISPR), Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, confirmed on Wednesday that 26 civilians were martyred and 46 others injured in overnight Indian airstrikes targeting multiple civilian areas across Pakistan.

Speaking during a briefing on Wednesday, the DG ISPR said that India carried out 24 airstrikes on six different locations inside Pakistani territory.

He said that 13 people were martyred in Bahawalpur’s Ahmedpur East area. The deceased included two three-year-old girls, seven women, and four men. In addition, 37 individuals were injured, including nine women and 28 men.

In a separate incident near Muzaffarabad, a strike on Bilal Mosque resulted in three fatalities, while two children — a girl and a boy — sustained injuries, he added.

Another attack occurred in Kotli, where the Abbas Mosque was targeted. Two teenagers, a 16-year-old girl and an 18-year-old boy, were martyred, the DG ISPR said.

He further said that Pakistan army downed five Indian fighter jets and one combat drone in response to unprovoked aggression and airspace violations.

According to the military spokesperson, the aircraft shot down included three Rafale jets, one MiG-29, one SU-series aircraft, and an Israeli-made Heron combat drone. The jets were downed in multiple locations, including Bhatinda, Jammu, Akhnoor, Srinagar, and Avantipur.

“The Pakistan Air Force engaged these aircraft only after they carried out attacks on Pakistani territory,” DG ISPR said. “Their aggression targeted the territorial integrity of Pakistan and endangered civilian lives,” he added.

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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #33 - May 7^th, 2025 at 5:40pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/multiple-loud-explosions-heard-pakist...

India strikes Pakistan over tourist killings, Pakistan says Indian jets downed

By Asif Shahzad and Shivam Patel

May 7, 20254:52 PM GMT+10Updated 22 min ago

Summary

India says it struck terrorist sites in Pakistan

India says it had reports there could be more attacks

Pakistan says mosques, civilians hit, vows to respond

Heavy cross-border shelling by both sides

Reuters Live coverage:

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/NEW DELHI, May 7 (Reuters) - India attacked Pakistan and Pakistani Kashmir on Wednesday and Pakistan said it had shot down five Indian fighter jets in the worst fighting in more than two decades between the nuclear-armed enemies.
The Indian hits on targets in Pakistan's most populous province of Punjab were the first since their last full-scale war more than half a century ago, triggering fears of a further escalation of military hostilities.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the fighting "a shame" and added, "I hope it ends quickly." The State Department said Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke to the national security advisers of both nations, urging "both to keep lines of communication open and avoid escalation."

There you go Leroy.

Exactly, over twenty years these two have been at it, suddenly its a problem.

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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #34 - May 7^th, 2025 at 6:14pm

May 7, 2025

Trump reacted to India's missile strikes on Pakistan under 'Operation Sindoor.' Calling the escalation “a shame,” Trump questioned the motives behind the India-Pakistan conflict, suggesting both nations were “fighting for something that could be solved differently.” His comments, coming amid soaring tensions in South Asia, have drawn sharp responses from Indian and Pakistani officials alike. As global powers weigh in, Trump's statement adds a volatile new dimension to an already dangerous standoff.

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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #35 - May 7^th, 2025 at 6:40pm

Leroy wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/multiple-loud-explosions-heard-pakist...

India strikes Pakistan over tourist killings, Pakistan says Indian jets downed

By Asif Shahzad and Shivam Patel

May 7, 20254:52 PM GMT+10Updated 22 min ago

Summary

India says it struck terrorist sites in Pakistan

India says it had reports there could be more attacks

Pakistan says mosques, civilians hit, vows to respond

Heavy cross-border shelling by both sides

Reuters Live coverage:

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/NEW DELHI, May 7 (Reuters) - India attacked Pakistan and Pakistani Kashmir on Wednesday and Pakistan said it had shot down five Indian fighter jets in the worst fighting in more than two decades between the nuclear-armed enemies.
The Indian hits on targets in Pakistan's most populous province of Punjab were the first since their last full-scale war more than half a century ago, triggering fears of a further escalation of military hostilities.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the fighting "a shame" and added, "I hope it ends quickly." The State Department said Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke to the national security advisers of both nations, urging "both to keep lines of communication open and avoid escalation."

There you go Leroy.

Exactly, over twenty years these two have been at it, suddenly its a problem.

Yeah, and bigger than it has been in the last 20 years.

There's a difference between posturing and actually shooting at each other, you know.

Do you think the fact they have been "at it" for 20 years should mean it is less newsworthy when it escalates? Or do you just not know what escalation means?

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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #37 - May 7^th, 2025 at 7:00pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 6:40pm:

Leroy wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/multiple-loud-explosions-heard-pakist...

India strikes Pakistan over tourist killings, Pakistan says Indian jets downed

By Asif Shahzad and Shivam Patel

May 7, 20254:52 PM GMT+10Updated 22 min ago

Summary

India says it struck terrorist sites in Pakistan

India says it had reports there could be more attacks

Pakistan says mosques, civilians hit, vows to respond

Heavy cross-border shelling by both sides

Reuters Live coverage:

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/NEW DELHI, May 7 (Reuters) - India attacked Pakistan and Pakistani Kashmir on Wednesday and Pakistan said it had shot down five Indian fighter jets in the worst fighting in more than two decades between the nuclear-armed enemies.
The Indian hits on targets in Pakistan's most populous province of Punjab were the first since their last full-scale war more than half a century ago, triggering fears of a further escalation of military hostilities.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the fighting "a shame" and added, "I hope it ends quickly." The State Department said Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke to the national security advisers of both nations, urging "both to keep lines of communication open and avoid escalation."

There you go Leroy.

Exactly, over twenty years these two have been at it, suddenly its a problem.

Yeah, and bigger than it has been in the last 20 years.

There's a difference between posturing and actually shooting at each other, you know.

Do you think the fact they have been "at it" for 20 years should mean it is less newsworthy when it escalates? Or do you just not know what escalation means?

Nah just go back to 2019
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After India launched air strikes in Pakistani territory, tensions have escalated between the neighbours. Indian defence analyst Ajai Shukla explains the significance of the attack and what could happen next.

The ball is in Pakistan's court after Indian Air Force (IAF) Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft crossed deep into Pakistan on Tuesday morning. India says that the air strikes targeted a militant camp near Balakot in the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. However, Pakistan has disputed this claim, saying the strikes hit an empty area.

The air strikes were provoked by the killing of at least 40 paramilitaries in Indian-administered Kashmir on 14 February, in a suicide attack which has been claimed by Pakistan-based terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammad. Indian leaders, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi, had vowed revenge.

Tuesday's air strikes are the first launched across the LoC (line of control) - the de facto border that divides Kashmir - since a war between the two countries in 1971.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51861 At my desk.	Re: War started - Pakistan and India Reply #38 - May 7^th, 2025 at 8:41pm When was the last time 5 fighter jets were shot down?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115277 Melbourne Gender:	Re: War started - Pakistan and India Reply #39 - May 7^th, 2025 at 8:44pm freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 8:41pm: When was the last time 5 fighter jets were shot down? That could be Paki propaganda - not confirmed from India.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51861 At my desk.	Re: War started - Pakistan and India Reply #40 - May 7^th, 2025 at 8:57pm It could be, but that is all they have to report on.
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Re: War started - Pakistan and India
Reply #41 - May 7^th, 2025 at 9:07pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 8:57pm:

It could be, but that is all they have to report on.

Yes:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt

Pakistan claims it has shot down five Indian fighter jets and a drone

published at 14:28

Pakistan has claimed that it has shot down five Indian aircraft.

"So far, I can confirm to you that five Indian aircraft - including three Rafale, one SU-30 and one MiG-29 - and one Heron drone have also been shot down,” Pakistan military spokesperson Lt-Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhary has said in a video shared by Reuters.

India has not responded to the claims yet.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 54984 Gender:	Re: War started - Pakistan and India Reply #42 - May 8^th, 2025 at 8:46am Looks like things are getting really serious between India and Pakistan. https://x.com/siegfriedmuell/status/1919900750332760241
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Reply #43 - May 8^th, 2025 at 9:39am

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-i...

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Pakistan-India fighter jet “dog fight” was one of largest and longest
in recent aviation history, source says

From CNN’s Nic Robertson in Islamabad
The “dog fight” between Pakistani and Indian fighter jets, which Pakistani officials say downed five Indian planes, was one of the “largest and longest in recent aviation history,” a senior Pakistani security source told CNN.

A total of 125 fighter jets battled for over an hour, with neither side leaving its own airspace, according to the source who detailed that the missile exchanges were happening at distances sometimes greater than 160 kilometers (100 miles).

Neither side was prepared to send their pilots over the border because of a much smaller dogfight in 2019. An Indian air force pilot was shot down on Pakistani territory and paraded on TV before being returned to India. A humiliation, he said, neither side wanted this time.

At times, the Indian air force had to take multiple runs at targets, according to the source. Pakistan did its best to warn civilians in areas it believed to be potential targets, the source said, and that the military was able to minimize civilian casualties.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51861 At my desk.	Re: War started - Pakistan and India Reply #44 - May 8^th, 2025 at 10:05am Quote: A total of 125 fighter jets battled for over an hour, with neither side leaving its own airspace Must have made for curious tactics.
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