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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #15 - May 9^th, 2025 at 12:14pm

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Fixed the Sydney thing.

The teals are usually described as socially liberal. Pretty much the opposite of conservative. The big disctinction between them and the greens is on economics. The greens are basically socialists on a lot of economic issues, whereas the teals are more centrist. So, vote teals to get environmentalism (focussed on climate change) without the communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal_independents

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Generally, teal independents have been described as having progressive social policies, with a focus on climate change, anti-corruption policies and gender equality, while still retaining conservative economics similar to those of the Liberals.

I'd give you the "thumbs up" emoji but there aren't any. Roll Eyes

As for the Teals, they mainly contest Liberal held seats because of their supposed conservative values. But they don't seem to concern themselves with cost-of-living or housing issues even though huge numbers of their constituents are really doing it tough. I'm not all that sure if they actually have a social conscience.

It's always their "green" credentials they promote which just shows Zali's utter hypocrisy where that's concerned. Here she was lecturing to all of us about our environmental footprint and our responsibility to minimize the impact of our activities on the environment.

Yet it was one of her own constituents who had to point out that Zali was driving around in a huge gas-guzzling 4WD and didn't even have solar panels on her roof. Roll Eyes

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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #16 - May 9^th, 2025 at 12:39pm

Aquarius wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 5:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 2:27pm:

Rebekha Sharkie in Mayo, SA (Kangaroo Island and south of Adelaide), 63.8% vs Liberal
Retaining, with a 1.5% gain
Centre Alliance (party), formerly Nick Xenophon team, focussing on cost of living, health, infrastructure funding and aged care
https://www.rebekhasharkie.com.au/ (supported by climate 200, but not using teal colours)

Zali Steggall in Warringah NSW (Sydney eastern suburbs), 60.9% vs Liberal
Retaining, but with a 1.5% gain
Left wing, focussing on climate change and cost of living
https://www.zalisteggall.com.au/ (teal background on website)

Allegra Spender in Wentworth, NSW (Sydney eastern suburbs), 56.7% vs Liberal
Retaining, but with a 0.1% swing to Liberal
Left wing, focussing on climate change and cost of living
https://www.allegraspender.com.au/ (teal background on website)

Here is a list of candidates supported by Climate 200, the group founded by Simon Holmes à Court, which I have used to define who is a teal:

https://www.climate200.com.au/candidates

Warringah is Northern Beaches and North Shore. Nowhere near the Eastern Suburbs which are across the harbour.

The problem with the Teals are they are just Greens in disguise pretending to have conservative values. Zali Steggall hasn't done anything for us over here yet retains majority support. Roll Eyes

Just shows the type of people you choose to live among. Grin

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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #17 - May 9^th, 2025 at 12:46pm

Aquarius wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Fixed the Sydney thing.

The teals are usually described as socially liberal. Pretty much the opposite of conservative. The big disctinction between them and the greens is on economics. The greens are basically socialists on a lot of economic issues, whereas the teals are more centrist. So, vote teals to get environmentalism (focussed on climate change) without the communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal_independents

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Generally, teal independents have been described as having progressive social policies, with a focus on climate change, anti-corruption policies and gender equality, while still retaining conservative economics similar to those of the Liberals.

I'd give you the "thumbs up" emoji but there aren't any. Roll Eyes

As for the Teals, they mainly contest Liberal held seats because of their supposed conservative values. But they don't seem to concern themselves with cost-of-living or housing issues even though huge numbers of their constituents are really doing it tough. I'm not all that sure if they actually have a social conscience.

It's always their "green" credentials they promote which just shows Zali's utter hypocrisy where that's concerned. Here she was lecturing to all of us about our environmental footprint and our responsibility to minimize the impact of our activities on the environment.

Yet it was one of her own constituents who had to point out that Zali was driving around in a huge gas-guzzling 4WD and didn't even have solar panels on her roof. Roll Eyes

Yes there are - there is a box to the left of this text box titled "More Smilies" - click at the bottom where it says View All Smilies.

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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #18 - May 9^th, 2025 at 1:02pm

Gnads wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 12:39pm:

Aquarius wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 5:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 2:27pm:

Rebekha Sharkie in Mayo, SA (Kangaroo Island and south of Adelaide), 63.8% vs Liberal
Retaining, with a 1.5% gain
Centre Alliance (party), formerly Nick Xenophon team, focussing on cost of living, health, infrastructure funding and aged care
https://www.rebekhasharkie.com.au/ (supported by climate 200, but not using teal colours)

Zali Steggall in Warringah NSW (Sydney eastern suburbs), 60.9% vs Liberal
Retaining, but with a 1.5% gain
Left wing, focussing on climate change and cost of living
https://www.zalisteggall.com.au/ (teal background on website)

Allegra Spender in Wentworth, NSW (Sydney eastern suburbs), 56.7% vs Liberal
Retaining, but with a 0.1% swing to Liberal
Left wing, focussing on climate change and cost of living
https://www.allegraspender.com.au/ (teal background on website)

Here is a list of candidates supported by Climate 200, the group founded by Simon Holmes à Court, which I have used to define who is a teal:

https://www.climate200.com.au/candidates

Warringah is Northern Beaches and North Shore. Nowhere near the Eastern Suburbs which are across the harbour.

The problem with the Teals are they are just Greens in disguise pretending to have conservative values. Zali Steggall hasn't done anything for us over here yet retains majority support. Roll Eyes

Just shows the type of people you choose to live among. Grin

I didn't choose these type of people! I've lived here all my life but "they" chose us - a huge ongoing influx of Eastern Suburbs residents that have been buying up relentlessly on our "insular peninsula." Plus the South Africans that have been moving down here from St Ives. Angry

I'm blaming them.

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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #19 - May 9^th, 2025 at 1:04pm

Gnads wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 12:46pm:

Aquarius wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Fixed the Sydney thing.

The teals are usually described as socially liberal. Pretty much the opposite of conservative. The big disctinction between them and the greens is on economics. The greens are basically socialists on a lot of economic issues, whereas the teals are more centrist. So, vote teals to get environmentalism (focussed on climate change) without the communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal_independents

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Generally, teal independents have been described as having progressive social policies, with a focus on climate change, anti-corruption policies and gender equality, while still retaining conservative economics similar to those of the Liberals.

I'd give you the "thumbs up" emoji but there aren't any. Roll Eyes

As for the Teals, they mainly contest Liberal held seats because of their supposed conservative values. But they don't seem to concern themselves with cost-of-living or housing issues even though huge numbers of their constituents are really doing it tough. I'm not all that sure if they actually have a social conscience.

It's always their "green" credentials they promote which just shows Zali's utter hypocrisy where that's concerned. Here she was lecturing to all of us about our environmental footprint and our responsibility to minimize the impact of our activities on the environment.

Yet it was one of her own constituents who had to point out that Zali was driving around in a huge gas-guzzling 4WD and didn't even have solar panels on her roof. Roll Eyes

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Ok ... thanks for that. Smiley

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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #20 - May 9^th, 2025 at 1:34pm

Aquarius wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Fixed the Sydney thing.

The teals are usually described as socially liberal. Pretty much the opposite of conservative. The big disctinction between them and the greens is on economics. The greens are basically socialists on a lot of economic issues, whereas the teals are more centrist. So, vote teals to get environmentalism (focussed on climate change) without the communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal_independents

Quote:

Generally, teal independents have been described as having progressive social policies, with a focus on climate change, anti-corruption policies and gender equality, while still retaining conservative economics similar to those of the Liberals.

I'd give you the "thumbs up" emoji but there aren't any. Roll Eyes

As for the Teals, they mainly contest Liberal held seats because of their supposed conservative values. But they don't seem to concern themselves with cost-of-living or housing issues even though huge numbers of their constituents are really doing it tough. I'm not all that sure if they actually have a social conscience.

It's always their "green" credentials they promote which just shows Zali's utter hypocrisy where that's concerned. Here she was lecturing to all of us about our environmental footprint and our responsibility to minimize the impact of our activities on the environment.

Yet it was one of her own constituents who had to point out that Zali was driving around in a huge gas-guzzling 4WD and didn't even have solar panels on her roof. Roll Eyes

Again, they are the opposite of conservative values. They openly paint themselves as socially liberal and environmentally progressive, particularly on climate change. The only thing about them that is conservative is their economic views. That is why they are taking Liberal seats. People want economically literate politicians, but not at the cost of scientific illiteracy.

Also, if you look at their policy platform, cost of living dominates every single one, usually even over climate change. I do not recall a single candidate, from major or minor parties or the teals, who did not have a significant portion of their policy dedicated to cost of living, including housing.

Also, they are not in the seats that are doing it tough.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4151 Gender:	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #21 - May 9^th, 2025 at 2:50pm They are quality candidates that are abit too right for labor, and marginalised by liberals angry old men's club.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5681 Gender:	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #22 - May 9^th, 2025 at 5:10pm The teals are not independents, they are a party that act as shills for the renewable energy lobby. Holmes a court's whores.
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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #23 - May 9^th, 2025 at 5:38pm

They are independents. They were running on the same policy platform before Holmes a court started supporting their campaign.

The fact that they all consistently agree on so much merely reflects what the public's view on climate change is, and the inability for the coalition to respond to public opinion. If anyone is too glued to their donors it is them. They should have seen it coming 3 decades ago. They would rather destroy their own party than acknowledge public opinion. There must be something in it for them.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15127 Gender:	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #24 - May 9^th, 2025 at 6:01pm Likely, they're the political granddaughters of the 'doctor's wives' who had a strong hand in founding the Liberal Party of Menzies. Just after WW2, The Australian Women's National League, a powerful conservative women's organisation, merged with the new [Liberal] party.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #25 - May 9^th, 2025 at 6:03pm Quote: Likely, they're the political granddaughters of the 'doctor's wives' who had a strong hand in founding the Liberal Party of Menzies. I know at least one of them is a descendent of a liberal party MP.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #26 - May 14^th, 2025 at 4:36pm Updated with the latest results. I added the Greens seat, which has now been called, to the list, as well as Bob Katter. One more teal has fallen behind. One of them is behind by only 80 votes.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #27 - May 28^th, 2025 at 6:53am Updated with latest results. Only 1 lower house seat still in doubt.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Who are the independents? Reply #28 - Jun 11^th, 2025 at 4:02pm Updated with the final results, unless there is a challenge.
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Re: Who are the independents?
Reply #29 - Jun 12^th, 2025 at 1:43pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

They are independents. They were running on the same policy platform before Holmes a court started supporting their campaign.

The fact that they all consistently agree on so much merely reflects what the public's view on climate change is, and the inability for the coalition to respond to public opinion. If anyone is too glued to their donors it is them. They should have seen it coming 3 decades ago. They would rather destroy their own party than acknowledge public opinion. There must be something in it for them.

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