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Reply #45 - May 1st, 2025 at 7:22am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am:
Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others?

I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......




I'm sure the prosecution would like to have those witnesses at the trial
if they can find them and the stories about "friends" were not made up.
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Reply #46 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:42am
 
On the other hand -she did realise that something was wrong when everyone else fell ill...... which kind of indicates a knowledge of fungal death...ay?
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Reply #47 - May 1st, 2025 at 1:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:09pm:
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/erin-patterson-family-friend-says-deadly-...

Erin Patterson:

Family friend says deadly mushroom cook was experienced forager of wild fungi


August 16,    2023 10:30AM


The deadly mushroom cook behind the poisonous lunch that killed three of her relatives was an experienced fungi forager, a friend of the family says.

The friend said Erin Patterson was “very good at foraging” and knew how to identify the wild mushroom varieties near her home in Leongatha in Victoria’s Gippsland region.

“The Patterson family (including Erin and ex-husband Simon) would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,” the friend told the Daily Mail.

“It’s very common for people to go mushroom picking around that area.”

It comes as Ms Patterson has hit back at being unfairly “painted as an evil witch”.

“I lost my parents-in-law, my children lost their grandparents,’’ she told The Australian on Wednesday.

“And I’ve been painted as an evil witch. And the media is making it impossible for me to live in this town. I can’t have friends over.

“The media is at the house where my children are at. The media are at my sister’s house so I can’t go there. This is unfair.’’

Ms Patterson, 48, invited her form er in-laws Gail and Don Patterson, and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson and her husband Ian to her home for lunch on July 29.

After eating the beef Wellington cooked and served by Ms Paterson, the guests became violently ill.

Gail and Don, both 70, and Heather, 66, later died. Ian is in hospital fighting for his life.

Erin’s ex-husband Simon Patterson was also supposed to be at the meal but pulled out.

Police suspect that the lunch contained highly toxic death cap mushrooms.

In a written statement to police, Ms Patterson said she bought the mushrooms she used in the dish at two separate stores — button mushrooms from a supermarket and dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery shop in Melbourne


Obviously that's not true.
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Reply #48 - May 1st, 2025 at 1:41pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:15pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves.


You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives.

Thanks, now I understand how your mind fails to work properly.


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Reply #49 - May 1st, 2025 at 1:44pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am:
I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc...

It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay.

This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ...

Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel.

Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others?

I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......




If she was expert on foraging for mushrooms and had relevant guide books

then she's as guilty a sin .... no death cap mushrooms should have ever been in her hand for collection, to take home or use in cooking.

She would have known straight away what they were.
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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #50 - May 1st, 2025 at 2:25pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 1:41pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:15pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves.


You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives.

Thanks, now I understand how your mind fails to work properly.


Grin that's rich coming from you.

you still don't get it?
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Reply #51 - May 1st, 2025 at 3:41pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am:
I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc...

It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay.

This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ...

Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel.

Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others?

I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......



Police have CCTV of her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip after the murders that contained death cap mushrooms despite her claiming she never owned a food dehydrator....Death cap mushrooms are not sold in Australia....Her mobile phone showed she was in the area in the days leading up to the murders where death cap mushrooms grow....Her relatives were poisoned with death cap mushrooms she fed them but avaoided consuming the deadly meal herself....Relatives have confirmed she was well aware what death cap mushrooms are....Yes definatly innocent???

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Reply #52 - May 1st, 2025 at 4:34pm
 
Today's updates are here:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-mu...

3.59pm

The single colourful plate in Erin Patterson’s crockery collection

By  Marta Pascual Juanola

Defence counsel Colin Mandy, SC, is now asking Simon Patterson about his estranged wife Erin’s crockery at her home in Gibson Street, Leongatha.

Simon Patterson recalled that Erin had a few small uniform sets of crockery.


“She had a mixture of plates and it’s not that they’re all different to each other, but she had a bunch of ceramic plates generally that weren’t all the same, but there are a few of the same as each other,” Simon said.

“And then, couple more that was sort of same as each other but different to the first lot, if you know what I mean.”

Mandy: Amongst those plates, there are a number of colourful ones?

Simon: No, there’s only one colourful one.”
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Reply #53 - May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm
 
Good comment from another site:

She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin.

It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned,
usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious.
After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over
you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.



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Reply #54 - May 1st, 2025 at 10:30pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 3:41pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am:
I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc...

It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay.

This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ...

Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel.

Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others?

I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......



Police have CCTV of her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip after the murders that contained death cap mushrooms despite her claiming she never owned a food dehydrator....Death cap mushrooms are not sold in Australia....Her mobile phone showed she was in the area in the days leading up to the murders where death cap mushrooms grow....Her relatives were poisoned with death cap mushrooms she fed them but avaoided consuming the deadly meal herself....Relatives have confirmed she was well aware what death cap mushrooms are....Yes definatly innocent???

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I didn't say she was innocent - I said she might walk on the evidence and how it is interpreted.  Wait for the actual Evidence in court - not tales of what 'relatives' say etc.... on local tall tales you'd likely be hung tomorrow at dawn....

We are all aware of the dumping of the dehydrator etc.... it's how it is interpreted that matters.  Her defence team started off saying she panicked after the others fell ill... meaning they are not contesting the dehydrator.... now all the other things have to come together to avoid any doubt.... and that means people don't just repeat local stories - they must have first hand evidence.

Now I'm no chef - but why dehydrate mushrooms for beef wellington?  I thought they were cooked whole in the sauce...

OK - 'mushroom puree' before baking...... who dehydrates mushrooms to make a puree?  Anyone - I'm not a chef or a mushroom cook....??  I hate mushrooms... now I know why...
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Reply #55 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm:
Good comment from another site:

She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin.

It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned,
usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious.
After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over
you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.




It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck
beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin -
it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day
or you would feed it to your dog.
There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.
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Reply #56 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm:
Good comment from another site:

She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin.

It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned,
usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious.
After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over
you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.




It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck
beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin -
it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day
or you would feed it to your dog.
There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.



Evidence from here:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-da...

yesterday 4.05pm

Quote:
Signs of death cap mushrooms in beef Wellington leftovers found in bin
The jury is now being told about the forensic evidence in the case.
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Reply #57 - May 2nd, 2025 at 12:07am
 
This thread is making me hungry
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Reply #58 - May 2nd, 2025 at 12:20am
 
Daves2017 wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 12:07am:
This thread is making me hungry



For a beef Wellington containing wild mushrooms?
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Reply #59 - May 2nd, 2025 at 5:02am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm:
Good comment from another site:

She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin.

It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned,
usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious.
After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over
you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.




It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck
beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin -
it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day
or you would feed it to your dog.

There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.


yes.
If it was me I would be putting the leftovers in someones elses bin, a few blocks away
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