Australian Politics Forum - Mushroom lady trial starts today

Sophia

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 9081

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #240 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 3:30pm

Well… she’s most likely going to spend all her life in prison.
I expected maybe a manslaughter charge…. I am surprised it’s murder… and if anyone pre meditates murder…3 or 4 at once is a bit obvious!
I thought murder required more care with details and cover ups.
Silly woman.
What was she thinking?
Her ex had been poisoned earlier but survived.
Perhaps that’s what she thought would happen with the in-laws?

Back to top

IP Logged

Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 9081	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #241 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 3:32pm Daves2017 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 2:52pm: I wonder if she will work in the prison kitchen or farm? Some may find it useful for her to do just that! Mushroom soup, mushroom gravy, stuffed mushrooms, mushroom risotto, the menu has endless possibilities from farm to plate.
Back to top	IP Logged

Captain Nemo

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 12590
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #242 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 3:41pm

3 counts of murder and 1 of attempted murder ...

So ... will she get 20 years on each count to be served concurrently, ending up with 18 years non-parole and a max of 20 years?

One good thing is that the judge went out of their way to direct the jury about the salient points leaving very little to no chance for any appeal to hold any water. Cool

Back to top

The 2025 election WAS a shocker.

IP Logged

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88226
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #243 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 4:45pm

.. case ya missed it:-

https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-reached-verdict-murder-040057347.html?.t...

Now that a finding of guilt has been made by twelve people good and true - it brings home the sheer horror of poisoning someone in that way... what it does to their body and how they die.

It takes a special kind of insanity to do that - but does that amount to lack of guilt due to mental illness? We all know that people who commit heinous crimes have to be be insane to do them - but at the same time we consider that their ability to reason to the point of assuming it is a good idea means they are guilty....

It's all part of the media-driven and developed Borderline of today... Albo is on one winner in taking away access to sites to kids under sixteen - I'm dropping TOG at hospital Thursday and staying three days until she is awake and settled, when her family will take over - I KNOW that access to some sites is unavailable in that hospital....... I was struggling to log in to one at 9 pm in the foyer and it said 'closed' ... bloke thought I must work there....so why can it not simply be made unavailable anywhere on choice?

Clearly the technology is there........ all it takes is the will and public awareness that it IS available to keep their kids out of ball cutting sites and similar...

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88226
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #244 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 4:46pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

I wonder if she will work in the prison kitchen or farm?

Some may find it useful for her to do just that!
Mushroom soup, mushroom gravy, stuffed mushrooms, mushroom risotto, the menu has endless possibilities from farm to plate.

Yum - Beef Wellington on the prison farm .... what could go wrong?

Chief Cook at Gon'Mo?

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88226 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #245 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 4:48pm .... and they didn't even need to beef up the case .... just saying...
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2335 Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #246 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 5:11pm * I should point out I was completely wrong in my comments regarding this case and please take that into consideration next time I pretend to know anything about court .
Back to top	On 9 January 2017, Ley announced that she would stand aside from her ministerial portfolios until an investigation into her travel expenses was completed by the Department of Prime Minister . IP Logged

Belgarion

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 5804
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #247 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 5:47pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

Well… she’s most likely going to spend all her life in prison.
I expected maybe a manslaughter charge…. I am surprised it’s murder… and if anyone pre meditates murder…3 or 4 at once is a bit obvious!
I thought murder required more care with details and cover ups.
Silly woman.
What was she thinking?
Her ex had been poisoned earlier but survived.
Perhaps that’s what she thought would happen with the in-laws?

Legally, manslaughter is generally a heat of the moment action or extreme carelessness over your actions. Murder usually requires a degree of premeditation and an understanding of what your actions are likely to achieve. She certainly ticks the boxes there.

Back to top

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)

IP Logged

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88226
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #248 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 6:21pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 5:11pm:

*

I should point out I was completely wrong in my comments regarding this case and please take that into consideration next time I pretend to know anything about court .

Not really - you see, the whole thing really comes down to a 'balance of probabilities' - except that in the case of a criminal trial the facts presented are more part of the equation, and emotion is far less. Given the number of mistakes - there can never NOT be some level of uncertainty in any finding..... there must always be some level of Doubt - the question becomes - is that level of doubt sufficient to offer a defendant a Not Guilty verdict.... at THAT point the 'balance' is not of 'probability' - but of the effect of the actual proven realities and how they balance out.

That is why you must never say that a person found to be 'responsible' in a civil action is Guilty .. Guilt is ONLY accorded to an individual found PROPERLY (it hurts my soul to say that) guilty according to solid, supported and undeniable reality (not 'facts' - a word that has become abused in jurisprudence) in a criminal action.

There will always exist the possibility that the tale was as she told it - and her actions were those of a person frightened by what happened and not thinking clearly... but that is a possibility - not a probability, and the weight of realities is against her.

I await the appeals... should be interesting.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jul 7^th, 2025 at 8:16pm by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM »

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112433 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #249 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 7:26pm Lots of photos here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-verd...
Back to top	IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112433 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #250 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 8:03pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 7:26pm: Lots of photos here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-verd...
Back to top	IP Logged

Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2335 Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #251 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 8:18pm https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-guil... Her options for appealing.
Back to top	On 9 January 2017, Ley announced that she would stand aside from her ministerial portfolios until an investigation into her travel expenses was completed by the Department of Prime Minister . IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112433 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #252 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 8:25pm She sat there watching the victims while eating her safe meal - while all the others were eating her poison - chatting to them too as though she was their friend. Just how evil could anyone be?
Back to top	IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 112433
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #253 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 9:38pm

She was tampering with prisoner's food:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/erin-patterson...

Sources said the mushroom cook had fallen out with other inmates last year before
at least one fellow prisoner fell sick when they ate a meal that was prepared in the unit.

The mother of two was then transferred into a hard locked-down area known as the “slot”, while officers probed the claim.

In the “slot”, inmates are placed in solitary confinement for more than 22 hours a day with little human contact.

It is understood the complaint about Patterson was investigated but no known further action was taken.

Patterson’s campsaid the allegation was baseless.

The Herald Sun was prevented from reporting the alleged incident while she was awaiting her trial.

Back to top

IP Logged

MattE

Senior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 317
Gender: male

Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #254 - Jul 7^th, 2025 at 11:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

She sat there watching the victims while eating her safe meal -
while all the others were eating her poison -
chatting to them too as though she was their friend.

Just how evil could anyone be?

I am unsure if it was some underlying narcissistic or if she was a psychopath. She has supposedly lived life crime free up until she murdered those people. People thought she was quite normal.

So what could it have been?

Was she so full of hate and resentment to the point she committed the crime? Because real hate can really consume a person. It is why forgiveness is such a powerful thing.

There are no excuses for what she did. Murder is wrong, but the method she used was quite cruel. It was literally death via rapid liver failure. Not really the way a person would want to exit this life.

Back to top

IP Logged