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Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2025 at 6:30pm
 
I’m listening and waiting.

She has the benefit of being innocent till proven guilty.

Something that is easily forgot.
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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:30pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
I’m listening and waiting.

She has the benefit of being innocent till proven guilty.

Something that is easily forgot.



I can understand that - remember Lindy Chamberlain?

The forensic evidence mixed up foetal blood and an anti-rust chemical from the car.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/25/internationaleducationnews.australia


Joy Kuhl identified foetal blood in a car belonging to Lindy Chamberlain - the crucial evidence that led to her conviction for killing her baby daughter, Azaria, near Ayres Rock, in 1980. Six years later, she admitted to a royal commission she was mistaken and the "blood" was an anti-rust chemical. Ms Chamberlain, who claimed a dingo had stolen her baby, was cleared.
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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2025 at 9:33pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/29/australia/australia-mushroom-murder-trial-beg...


Erin Patterson’s legal team depart the Latrobe Valley Magistrates Court in Morwell, Victoria, Tuesday, April 29, 2025.

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The trial of a woman accused of murdering three elderly people after allegedly serving them a lunch of poisonous mushrooms began in Australia on Tuesday, as additional charges of the attempted murder of her husband were dropped by prosecutors.

Erin Patterson is charged with the 2023 murders of her mother-in-law Gail Patterson, father-in-law Donald Patterson and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson, along with the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson, Heather’s husband, in a case that has gripped Australia.

All four became ill after the lunch hosted by the accused at her home in Leongatha, a town of around 6,000 people some 135 kilometers (84 miles) from Melbourne.

Prosecutors allege the mushrooms were served to the victims as part of a beef Wellington.

Fifteen jurors were selected on Tuesday at the Latrobe Valley Magistrates’ Court in nearby Morwell, with the opening arguments expected to begin on Wednesday morning.


Charges regarding the attempted murder of the accused’s husband, Simon Patterson, have been dropped by prosecutors, Justice Christopher Beale told the court on Tuesday.

“Those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,” he told the jury.

Erin Patterson has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The case has generated huge interest both in Australia and internationally, with the six seats in the courtroom reserved for media allocated in a daily ballot. Dozens more are expected to watch proceedings in an overflow room set up at the court.

State broadcaster ABC is producing a daily podcast during the trial, which is expected to run for five to six weeks, while streaming service Stan has commissioned a documentary on what it says is
“one of the highest profile criminal cases in recent history.”
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Reply #18 - Apr 29th, 2025 at 10:21pm
 
That was CNN and Reuters -
it also made it on to BBC world news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5dj9q011lo


Some charges against alleged mushroom lunch killer dropped


6 hours ago

Justice Christopher Beale told the jury that most if not all them would probably have been aware of the previous charges in relation to Patterson's husband, but said that the Director of Public Prosecutions had dropped them.

"In other words... you must put them out of your mind," he said.

He also urged them to "dispassionately" weigh the evidence in the case, using their heads and not their hearts.

The trial is being held at a small courthouse in Morwell, about 60km (37 miles) from Leongatha, Victoria, where prosecutors allege the lunch took place.

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Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:44am
 
I doubt there is a potential juror who has not been flooded with the media coverage of this case. It's going to be a hard call - and a lot will come down to 'feelings' again - in which I am going to throw the Usual suspect (by now) problem  .... all those years /decades now of 'determining what is right by feelings' - pushed on us by the fringe feminists and those who saw clear opportunity by allying with that madness which has ended up with gonad chopping boards determining the 'gender' of a person in some Frankenstein Mengele manner - has lead to the position where a hell of a lot of 'balance of probabilities' is going to influence the outcome, Brittany style in the anti-Bruce Crusade (he has piggy eyes - must be guilty, right?).

How determine if she made a genuine mistake over the mushies - or it was deliberate from an experienced mushie picker? If there were so many mushies available for the picking - how did she get to pick those, when most of us KNOW (and I loathe mushrooms) they are not to be eaten? I wouldn't pick those for anyone else!  Why did she not get sick herself?  Avoid the mushies?  That's pretty much the case.....

It will all come down, in the minds of the jurors no matter how dedicated etc - to that.

She may well walk - but who is ever going to dine with her again?
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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:14am
 

Yes Grapps,
but her story won't add up -
if she really got those mushrooms from a shop then why didn't
dozens of other customers and their families die too?


She was an expert in mushroom foraging -
so it looks like she went foraging -
found some death caps and cooked them in a meal for her victims.

I can't find evidence of something I heard or saw on the internet.
I remember hearing that she posted an article in the local newspaper
about how to safely forage for wild mushrooms and
she did so as a so called expert -
she was known as an expert.


If you go to a mushroom identifier website such as:
https://www.mushroom.world/mushrooms/identification


It says:

Quote:
DISCLAIMER
Many mushrooms are poisonous and some are lethally poisonous and
this website cannot and will not tell you whether the mushrooms you find are safe.

In viewing the material on this website you agree that Mushroom World and
its owner have no liability for injury,
illness or death caused by eating wild plants or mushrooms after viewing this site.

If you continue, you agree to view this website under these terms.
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:27am
 
Here's another mushroom identifier site where you can upload
pictures and supply information to get a result.

https://champignouf.com/


It says:

Quote:
Champignouf is an automated mushroom identifier software program,
you just have to upload a picture to know what kind of mushroom it could be.
It knows more than 1000 species, and will suggest you results depending on the photo.
Is that a cep, a chanterelle, or something that could kill you?
It is still work in progress, and the accuracy is at the moment not that good, but will get better in time.
BE VERY CAREFUL, do not eat any mushroom if you aren't 100% certain they are edible! YOU COULD DIE

Remember that champignouf makes a lot of mistakes, because mushrooms are tricky, and toxic and edible ones can look almost indistinguishable.
Even if it look like the one that Champignouf suggests, and it's edible, DO NOT TRUST OUR RESULTS.
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Reply #22 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am
 
There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.
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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am:
There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.



You mean 12 jurors?

I just thought of an out -

What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop
by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  Undecided

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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am:
There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.



You mean 12 jurors?

I just thought of an out -

What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop
by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  Undecided



The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone.
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:01pm
 
Leroy wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am:
There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.



You mean 12 jurors?

I just thought of an out -

What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop
by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  Undecided



The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone.



Yes - it's still a plausible story.

But-
why did she try to hide her dehydrator?
Hiding or destroying evidence makes her look bad.

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Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:01pm:
Leroy wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am:
There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.



You mean 12 jurors?

I just thought of an out -

What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop
by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  Undecided



The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone.



Yes - it's still a plausible story.

But-
why did she try to hide her dehydrator?
Hiding or destroying evidence makes her look bad.



Those facts will be addressed in court.
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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:17pm
 
It's possible the mushroom shop was spiked by someone. Then the lady would be shouting about it and demanding the shop explain how it could happen. Also, when preparing the meal she would handle the poisonous one and could recognise it, to exclude it. It had to be a whole mushroom in the shop or others would have been ill.
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:01pm
 
Update:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c23054k1x05t


Key things we heard on day one of trial

published at 16:49
16:49

Helen Sullivan
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The prosecution and defence have finished their opening statements on the first day of Erin Patterson's trial. Here's what they told the court:

Erin Patterson invited her estranged husband Simon Patterson, his parents, Don and Gail Patterson, and his aunt and uncle, Ian and Heather Wilkinson, to lunch to discuss "some medical issues that she had", prosecutors said, and at lunch she told them she had cancer

All attended except her husband Simon, who pulled out the day before. Three of the guests at the lunch later died from death cap mushroom poisoning

Prosecutors alleged that Ms Patterson lied about having cancer, using it as a pretence to have the adults at lunch without Ms Patterson's children present - the defence denied this and said Ms Patterson did have cancer

Ms Patterson served individual beef wellington portions – a dish of beef, mushroom paste, and pastry – to her guests on grey plates, while she ate off a smaller, orange plate, according to guest Ian Wilkinson, who became seriously ill after the lunch, but survived

The prosecution said Ms Patterson had posted online about using a food dehydrator to cook mushrooms, and wrote she had been "hiding powdered mushrooms in everything", the prosecution said

The prosecution also said Ms Patterson's fingerprints were found on a food dehydrator she was seen on CCTV dumping after the lunch. The dehydrator tested positive for death cap mushrooms, the jury was told

The prosecution alleged Ms Patterson lied about buying the dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery store, and that mobile phone data suggests she travelled to where death cap mushrooms grew

The defence argued that "what happened was a tragedy, a terrible accident" and Ms Patterson did not intend to hurt anyone
Ms Patterson's behaviour is being portrayed as "incriminating" by the prosecution, the defence said - but she "panicked" after her guests became ill: "Might people say or do things that are not well thought out... and might make them look bad?"
The defence said Ms Patterson was "generous and kind" to her family
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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:30pm
 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-lunc...


Jury shown pictures of dehydrator
The court heard Erin Patterson purchased a Sunbeam food dehydrator in April 2023.

At her police interview on August 6, the court heard Ms Patterson initially said she had never owned a food dehydrator but later said she may have owned one "a year ago".

Financial records showed Ms Patterson paid a fee at a waste transfer station for disposal of items, including e-waste.

Police later searched an e-waste bin at the disposal centre and found a food dehydrator in a black cardboard box.

Samples taken from the dehydrator found at the waste transfer centre were positive for amanita mushrooms.

The prosecution also alleged Ms Patterson kept two phones and switched SIM cards between them.

Analysis of one of the devices showed Ms Patterson had been talking to one of her online friends about a food dehydrator and how much she enjoyed using it.

The analysis also revealed she travelled to two nearby areas where death cap mushrooms had been identified as growing on a site called iNaturalist, a website where people can log flora and fauna they see.


Colin Mandy SC says his client "panicked" and lied to police because she was overwhelmed that people had died because of a meal she served.  (ABC New: Danielle Bonica)

Defence barrister Colin Mandy SC said Ms Patterson "panicked" and lied to police.

He conceded she did forage for mushrooms but said she was innocent of murder.


"The defence case is what happened was a tragedy and a terrible accident," he said.

"She's innocent."
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