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Reply #90 - May 4^th, 2025 at 11:30am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-03/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-simo...

The first week of Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial
outlines the decision facing a jury

By court reporter Kristian Silva
Topic:Courts

Sat 3 May

When police turned up to Erin Patterson's house, they began looking through the rubbish for a leftover beef Wellington.

An officer walked to an outside bin, put on some gloves, and started fishing inside.

"The bin had approximately three bags piled on top of each other," crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC told the Supreme Court in Morwell this week.

"The leftovers, which looked like a meat-filled pastry, were in the bottom of the bottom bag."
As a packed courtroom watched on, pictures of the stale-looking remnants were flashed up on the screens.

What was initially thought to be the source of food poisoning, then became a suspected murder weapon.

Reduced to its simplest form, the jury in Ms Patterson's trial will have to decide whether a beef Wellington cooked in her kitchen represents a terrible accident, or the ultimate act of betrayal.

According to prosecutors, Ms Patterson carefully crafted a plan to lure her in-laws to her home on July 29, 2023.

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Reply #91 - May 5^th, 2025 at 3:06pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live...

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More on beef Wellington

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy asks about Erin Patterson as a mother.

"Her life appeared to revolve around her children," Ms Barkley says.

"Absolutely it did, that's all she appeared to care about ... I thought she was a wonderful mother."

Ms Barkley says the cookbook RecipeTinEats was a prominent feature of the online group's discussion.

She says other members of the group had made beef Wellington before and it was a loved dish for the group.

Ms Barkley tells the court that Erin had mentioned her love of mushrooms to the group.

"I always knew that about her, yep," she says.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #92 - May 6^th, 2025 at 3:52pm Latest updates but no knockout blows today. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-06/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live...
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #93 - May 7^th, 2025 at 8:01pm Results from today: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-07/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live...
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #94 - May 8^th, 2025 at 3:53pm Results from today: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-08/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live...
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Reply #95 - May 13^th, 2025 at 7:16pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2025/may/13/erin-patterson-trial...

Erin Patterson murder trial day 10 – as it happened

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Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial.

3h ago

15.43 AEST

Fungi expert agrees death cap mushrooms under-reported in regional areas

Lawyer Sophie Stafford says Dr Thomas May has made clear the limitations of his opinion when looking at the 10 images and where he required further information.

“That is correct,” he says.

Under cross-examination by Stafford, May agrees that death cap mushrooms may not be reported on websites like iNaturalist because there are no regular surveys in the state besides “sweeps” done at some locations in the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne.

He agrees there is an under-reporting of death cap mushrooms in regional areas.

4h ago
15.20 AEST
Fungi expert shown pictures of mushrooms in court

Erin Patterson’s lawyer, Sophie Stafford, has begun cross-examining Dr Thomas May.

Stafford is taking May through 10 images of mushrooms and asking him to identify which ones are consistent with death caps.

May says some images do not reflect the actual colour of the mushroom which can make it difficult to determine the species.

For all of these images there might be a possibility … it could be something else.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #96 - May 13^th, 2025 at 8:14pm Looks like Erin won't take the stand. If it was me on trial and I was innocent there is no way I could sit there for 6 weeks and say nothing - I'd want my say in court before they locked me up for life for something I hadn't done. They couldn't shut me up and I wouldn't care what my lawyer advised.
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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #97 - May 13^th, 2025 at 9:17pm

It's not looking good for Erin:

She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job -
and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before
meant she knew something about identifying them
or she would have been dead years ago.
Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones
foragers learn about so they can avoid them.

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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #98 - May 13^th, 2025 at 10:15pm

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2025 at 9:17pm:

It's not looking good for Erin:

She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job -
and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before
meant she knew something about identifying them
or she would have been dead years ago.
Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones
foragers learn about so they can avoid them.

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Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial.

You have posted both of these.

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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #99 - May 13^th, 2025 at 10:29pm

Leroy wrote on May 13^th, 2025 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2025 at 9:17pm:

It's not looking good for Erin:

She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job -
and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before
meant she knew something about identifying them
or she would have been dead years ago.
Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones
foragers learn about so they can avoid them.

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Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial.

You have posted both of these.

I think he is talking in general but death caps are easy to recognise.

For a start - they have white gills underneath them.

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Reply #100 - May 13^th, 2025 at 11:12pm

I’m not so sure that they are so easy to id.
I’m very slowly thinking she might not be guilty .

It’s definitely a case that will stop the mushroom market for a bit and I love mushrooms.

It’s the vegan answer to a steak!

I don’t believe mushrooms brought from a farmer or Woolworths are ever going to be dangerous !

Where did she say she got these mushrooms?
A Asian supermarket?

I suspect she picked them herself completely unknowingly they where deadly.

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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #101 - May 13^th, 2025 at 11:23pm

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/why-mushrooms-are-popping-up-ever...

Even mushrooms experts can get it wrong. It’s not hard to imagine she picked them not knowing.

It’s also easy to believe a Asian supermarket supplier got it wrong but then why didn’t anyone else who brought the mushrooms get sick?

Clearly, this is the government’s fault!!!!!🫠

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Reply #102 - May 14^th, 2025 at 1:59pm

latest here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-14/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-fung...

1h ago

Mycologist told doctors death cap poisoning should be 'impossible'

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By Judd Boaz

A photo is shown to the court, which is the same photo emailed to Dr Truong on July 31.

It shows a picture of the beef Wellington pastry and some of the finely-chopped brown filling.

"I told her based on this particular photograph, I would not be able to give her identification," Dr Truong says.

"She said they had been bought from a supermarket and … a Chinese shop I believe."

Dr Truong says she told Dr Muldoon it was "probably impossible" to be death cap mushrooms, due to them only growing in the wild and being unable to be cultivated.

"I also told her there were absolutely no sightings of death cap mushrooms during the last months," Dr Truong says.

"Based on the information I received, it was highly unlikely to be a case of death cap mushroom poisoning."

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today Reply #103 - May 14^th, 2025 at 2:11pm Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent???
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Re: Mushroom lady trial starts today
Reply #104 - May 14^th, 2025 at 2:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent???

Wink

I'd like to see her on the stand -

question -
why did you take a perfectly good Sunbeam food dehydrator to the tip?

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