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Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2025 at 9:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:17pm:
Tucker Carlsen?  Wasn't he sacked by Fox News in the US for being incompetent?  What makes him qualified to comment on Australia?  An American WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No he was sacked for being a liar who was part of the reason they had to pay $787Million to dominion..

FOX's defence of Tucker was to say that everyone knows that he lies so it doesn't really matter as nobody believes him anyway.

That argument relies heavily on the right and MAGA being a lot smarter than they are. The all believed every word he said and not only that they still quote his worthless opinion right up to today.
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Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Reply #16 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:34am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.



no poo borrowing money is not the same as paying tax ya dumbarse. Good of you to state the bleeding obvious. I'm glad to see the money your parents spent on sending you to kindergarten wasn't totally wasted Cheesy Cheesy

Want to try again but this time go ask for help before answering lest you embarrass yourself further


if it can be used as a tangible asset that you can use as security, why shouldn't it equally be used as an asset that is used to determine liability?
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Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Reply #17 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:49am
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:34am:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.



no poo borrowing money is not the same as paying tax ya dumbarse. Good of you to state the bleeding obvious. I'm glad to see the money your parents spent on sending you to kindergarten wasn't totally wasted Cheesy Cheesy

Want to try again but this time go ask for help before answering lest you embarrass yourself further


if it can be used as a tangible asset that you can use as security, why shouldn't it equally be used as an asset that is used to determine liability?



INCOME tax.  Income. Do you understand the word? (No)

An asset is not income UNTIL it is sold, ie it's value is realised.


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Reply #18 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:51am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:49am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:34am:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.



no poo borrowing money is not the same as paying tax ya dumbarse. Good of you to state the bleeding obvious. I'm glad to see the money your parents spent on sending you to kindergarten wasn't totally wasted Cheesy Cheesy

Want to try again but this time go ask for help before answering lest you embarrass yourself further


if it can be used as a tangible asset that you can use as security, why shouldn't it equally be used as an asset that is used to determine liability?



INCOME tax.  Income. Do you understand the word? (No)

An asset is not income.


so CGT is income tax now is it? FBT is income tax?

I did warn you to ask someone else first before embarrassing yourself Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:57am
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:51am:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:49am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:34am:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.



no poo borrowing money is not the same as paying tax ya dumbarse. Good of you to state the bleeding obvious. I'm glad to see the money your parents spent on sending you to kindergarten wasn't totally wasted Cheesy Cheesy

Want to try again but this time go ask for help before answering lest you embarrass yourself further


if it can be used as a tangible asset that you can use as security, why shouldn't it equally be used as an asset that is used to determine liability?



INCOME tax.  Income. Do you understand the word? (No)

An asset is not income.


so CGT is income tax now is it? FBT is income tax?

I did warn you to ask someone else first before embarrassing yourself Cheesy


CGT is on REALISED gains, thicko. There is no capital gains tax on your UNREALISED capital gain.
FBT is tax on actual payment (benefit). Value Is changing hands, ie is realised, transacted.

Don't be SO adamantly, doggedly thick.

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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:10pm
 
This is like your claims regarding "Race", Soren.  Do we need to have a continual argument what science has taught us about the social construct called "Racism"?  It seems so, you have a very closed mind, Soren for a non-economist.  Just as closed as your mind is about "Racism".  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:57am:
CGT is on REALISED gains, thicko. There is no capital gains tax on your UNREALISED capital gain.
FBT is tax on actual payment (benefit). Value Is changing hands, ie is realised, transacted.

Don't be SO adamantly, doggedly thick.




Unrealised gain tax is similar to provisional tax by installments in advance.

example:

if you sell your house -
put the money in the bank and you are still working in a job -
you have to pay provisional tax on the interest you receive before your receive it
at the highest rate as it's income added to your salary -
that happened to me.
The tax Dept. sent me an invoice.
How the hell did they know?




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A provisional taxpayer is required to pay instalments of income tax (called provisional tax)
during the income year, rather than at the end of the year when a tax return is filed.
This obligation to pay provisional tax can arise in addition to the
taxpayer's employer deducting tax from salary payments.


So yes - according to the Greens one third of the largest companies pay no tax -
yet the tax Dept. finds about little guys earning a bit of interest in the bank
and chases after them for tax money in advance.   Angry
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Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Reply #22 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am:
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.

You either do not understand it (you are stupid) or you understand it and still support it (vicious AND stupid).



Musk avoids paying taxes by leaving his wealth "unrealised" then borrows against those unsold stocks and uses the interest payments as a further tax write-off.

If billionaires can claim their unrealised worth attributed to wealth then why shouldn't it be open to taxation?

That said, I'm only talking very upper-level in principle stance.  I have not seen the details of any proposed tax so I don't know how it looks like for an Albo government.

Do you know how they're looking to implement this tax and what it means to real people to help me understand?
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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:55pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am:
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.

You either do not understand it (you are stupid) or you understand it and still support it (vicious AND stupid).



Musk avoids paying taxes by leaving his wealth "unrealised" then borrows against those unsold stocks and uses the interest payments as a further tax write-off.

If billionaires can claim their unrealised worth attributed to wealth then why shouldn't it be open to taxation?

That said, I'm only talking very upper-level in principle stance.  I have not seen the details of any proposed tax so I don't know how it looks like for an Albo government.

Do you know how they're looking to implement this tax and what it means to real people to help me understand?



Read the two OPs. There's a link.
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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am:
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.

You either do not understand it (you are stupid) or you understand it and still support it (vicious AND stupid).



Musk avoids paying taxes by leaving his wealth "unrealised" then borrows against those unsold stocks and uses the interest payments as a further tax write-off.

If billionaires can claim their unrealised worth attributed to wealth then why shouldn't it be open to taxation?

That said, I'm only talking very upper-level in principle stance.  I have not seen the details of any proposed tax so I don't know how it looks like for an Albo government.

Do you know how they're looking to implement this tax and what it means to real people to help me understand?



Read the two OPs. There's a link.


You can't explain it in your own words?  It's not an unreasonable request...
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:18pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am:
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.

You either do not understand it (you are stupid) or you understand it and still support it (vicious AND stupid).



Musk avoids paying taxes by leaving his wealth "unrealised" then borrows against those unsold stocks and uses the interest payments as a further tax write-off.

If billionaires can claim their unrealised worth attributed to wealth then why shouldn't it be open to taxation?

That said, I'm only talking very upper-level in principle stance.  I have not seen the details of any proposed tax so I don't know how it looks like for an Albo government.

Do you know how they're looking to implement this tax and what it means to real people to help me understand?



Read the two OPs. There's a link.


You can't explain it in your own words?  It's not an unreasonable request...

This is as concise as anyone can make it.

Unrealised capital gains tax is actually simple to understand.

Say you have $100,000 in Commonwealth Bank shares. This year the bank’s stock price has gone up 7.3 per cent. If you don’t sell those shares then you have made an unrealised capital gain of $7300. Now pay $2190 of that or 30 per cent to the government.

Don’t have the cash? Bad luck. Sell something.




Let me know if you don't understand it.
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Reply #26 - May 16th, 2025 at 9:19am
 
We’re crying out for tax reform, not a raid on wealth before it’s even created


It’s an ominous sign that one of the first items on the government’s agenda after winning a big majority last week is legislating a new tax. So much for the Treasurer’s promise to put productivity at the heart of the Albanese government’s second term.

The tax would apply to unrealised capital gains, something the federal government has never targeted before, setting up a shocking precedent for potential extensions of the tax to unrealised gains. And the nominal threshold would not be indexed, either, ensuring revenues would surge from $300m in the first year to about $7bn a year within a decade, according to recent Parliamentary Budget Office estimates.

The tax would encourage investors to shift more of their savings out of super and into housing, negatively geared or otherwise – making homes even more unaffordable – or perhaps out of the country altogether. New Zealand doesn’t even have a capital gains tax, let alone one on unrealised earnings.

As Tim Wilson wrote this week, the successful passage of this tax would be a “defining moment for our country”, and not a happy one, seeing for the first time the establishment of a bureaucratic machinery in Canberra to measure and enforce a sort of wealth tax. And who wouldn’t be concerned that machinery would be turned to unrealised gains outside superannuation, to feed our increasingly insatiable government sector?

Quite aside from the unfairness of potentially forcing taxpayers to sell assets to pay tax liabilities for unrealised gains that could easily vanish by the time assets are ultimately sold, it’s a logistical nightmare. Valuing privately held companies or rarely traded land is hard enough let alone the art and antiques often held in super funds, yet the proposed tax would require the valuation of such illiquid assets. Costly legal disputes will ensue.

Wealth taxes, where tried, have been duds. Numerous European countries repealed theirs long ago, including Austria, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and most recently France in 2018.  Norway offers a more recent warning, having lifted its wealth tax to 1.1 per cent in 2022. Even The Guardian reported that 22 taxpaying billionaires left the country that year, more than all such departures combined in the previous 13 years.
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Reply #27 - May 18th, 2025 at 11:48am
 
Former state premiers and state parliamentarians who benefit from the previous, more generous pension scheme will be exempt from the Albanese government’s controversial super tax.

The office of Treasurer Jim Chalmers confirmed the exemption with Sky News Sunday Agenda after he said that federal politicians would not be exempted.

This is because it is a constitutional requirement to make certain individuals exempt from the tax, such as some former state office holders.

The list of exempted individuals includes:

Governor of a state
Member of staff of governor of a state
A minister of the government of a state
A member of staff of a Minister or the government of a state
The clerk of a house of parliament of a state
The head of a department of parliament of a state
The head of a department of the public service of a state
A solicitor general of a state
A judge justice or magistrate of a state
A police commissioner deputy commissioner or assistant commissioner of a state
The policy, which will come into effect from July 1, will double the tax on superannuation earnings for balances more than $3 million, from 15 to 30 per cent.
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Reply #28 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:40pm
 

Labor’s Great Tax Rip-Off:

The INSANITY of Taxing Investments You Haven’t Even Sold!


Tax on unrealised capital gains is a bizarre concept. It’s when the government taxes not just the income you get from your investments each year, but the gain in the market value of them BEFORE you’ve even sold them!  And our new Labor government is planning to introduce just such a tax.

Ep 411 of The Other Side for the week commencing Friday May 16, 2025.






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Reply #29 - May 19th, 2025 at 1:05pm
 
The immediate effect could be $240 Billion pulled out of Super Funds.   Shocked

Longer term, the numbers are going to be quite significant.


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