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Apr 25th, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
Do we really need a welcome to country when we are having ANZAC services? Me personally, I think no. Surely we can leave political correctness at home on ANZAC Day?

https://www.news.com.au/national/channel-9-reporter-veteran-in-debate-over-amzac...
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 3:54pm
 
'Welcome' means a right to accept visitors, in this case to the land of this country.  That is, the right as it stood in 1788. Otherwise, Aboriginals aren't able to offer anything more than Joe Blow can to 'welcome' you. On ANZAC Day, welcome then means aiding an invasion by a fleet from near the North Pole and surrender of the territory. Not good.
(Gallipoli was a defeat but do we need two?)
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 4:00pm
 
I was under the assumption the aboriginals fought alongside the others as well
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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 4:02pm
 
For the Commonwealth of the King?
From what source does the Aboriginal welcome come?
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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 4:56pm
 
is this where the neo nazis congregate?
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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 5:30pm
 
No, it's about the logic and facts of history. Aboriginal people didn't choose to hand over territory, as ANZACS also didn't. The 'Welcome' is sloppy. Some Melbourne battles were:

1803  Port Phillip district conflict, VIC
October 1803 Corio Bay, near Melbourne, VIC
1830–1850 Port Phillip district Wars, VIC
July 1836 Werribee River, Melbourne, VIC
July 1836  Williamstown, Melbourne, VIC
1837 Geelong , VIC.
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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 5:49pm
 
The welcome to country has simply been so over done it’s now worthless.
I have sat in a meeting only last week concerning a tender and as it was government the meeting began with the force reading of respect to elders past etc, etc.
One contractor immediately stood up and informed us all he would be outside and when the b.s was over we could come and collect him.
I was a little shocked as I would never treat a potential client like such. The look on my face must have said it all as the lady opposite informed me that it happens all the time.

He was duly recalled.

Regardless of what anyone might think of it I believe rather than heckling at an Anzac ceremony if it offend you so much. Keep your mouth shut and just leave.
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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:01pm
 
Is it worthless to Aboriginal people who keep being seen with gum-leaf smoke and doing welcomes? Is ANZAC now overdone after 110 years?
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Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:14pm
 
I personally don’t see a link between the welcome to country ceremony and the Anzac tradition/ ceremony.

It’s ( welcome to country) hasn’t been part of the 110 year old Anzac tradition.
It’s a very new “ add on”.

Regardless, the Anzac ceremony is no place for heckling.

Anzac Day retains it respect and support perhaps because it occurs only once a year while welcome to country occurring each time I turn around.
I’m waiting to collect my mail one day and see a welcome to country ceremony to celebrate the opening of a letter.

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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:24pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
I personally don’t see a link between the welcome to country ceremony and the Anzac tradition/ ceremony.

It’s ( welcome to country) hasn’t been part of the 110 year old Anzac tradition.
It’s a very new “ add on”.

Regardless, the Anzac ceremony is no place for heckling.


Agree.

But we've seen much worse.



There were scenes of chaos at the Opera House as the demonstration was hijacked by radical Muslims -  some wearing black masks - who threw lit flares at police and chanted 'bugger Israel' and 'bugger the Jews' beneath the steps of the iconic harbouside venue.  At one point, there were even chants of 'gas the Jews'. 

Daily Mail Australia witnessed a large crowd of men attempting to set light to an Israeli flag with firecrackers before stamping on it and tearing it to shreds.

Cries of 'Allahu Akbar' (God is great in Arabic) and 'death to the Jews' rang out as some members of the crowd swarmed towards the police barrier, brandishing torn pieces of the Israeli flag - despite the rally organisers calling for protesters to respect the police. 

Over 100 cops formed a ring of steel along the steps of the Opera House and didn't intervene when flares or other projectiles were thrown at them.   Instead, they placed the lit flares in buckets of water as acrid smoke filled the air.

As protesters arrived at Town Hall earlier in the evening, a man clutching an Israeli flag was dragged away by three police officers for 'disrupting the peace' - before he even had a chance to unfurl it.

In an video of the incident taken by Daily Mail Australia, the man can be heard repeatedly saying 'I've done nothing wrong'.  An officer told him: 'You've been arrested in relation to a breach of the peace.'   A speaker then told the booing crowd: 'Zionists don't deserve our attention.'

In total, Daily Mail Australia witnessed three individuals attempt to fly an Israeli flag before being chased away by protesters or arrested by the police 'for their own safety'.

Abigail Lane, 23, a social care student originally from Tasmania, had an Israeli flag with the word 'peace' taken from her by police.

'A police officer came and snatched it out of my hands and said: "Why the hell are you going in there with that sign? What the hell do you think you're doing?",' she said.

'I said: "I'm not Palestinian, I'm not Israeli. I'm just Irish-Australian and I don't like that we are inciting hate here in Sydney. My sign said love not hate".

'I don't think inciting more anger and violence is the solution.'

Shockingly, NSW Police felt compelled to warn Sydney's Jewish community from entering Sydney's CBD on Monday evening over safety concerns.

'NSW police are urging the community not to attend the Sydney Opera House or Town Hall this evening,' an email from the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies to members read.

NSW Premier Chris Minns said he 'deplored' the rally and described it as being 'against the tenets of our multicultural community'.

'We lit up the Opera House in support of innocent people who have had their lives slaughtered or loved ones kidnapped,' Mr Minns told Sunrise.

'The community expectation from the vast majority of people I have spoken to in the past 48 hours has been horror at the actions of Hamas and also the demonstrations that have taken place in Sydney in the past 48 hours.'

Mr Albanese earlier called on pro-Palestinian protesters to abandon the rally, claiming there was 'nothing to celebrate from the loss of innocent lives'.

'I just find it abhorrent and it should be condemned, but unequivocally by everyone,' Mr Albanese told 2GB's Drive with Chris O'Keefe.

Robert Gregory, CEO of the Australian Jewish Association said 'Australians should be very worried'.

'The police gave a warning for Jews not to come into the area,' Mr Gregory said.

'Think about that. Imagine if there were mobs hunting blacks or gays in Sydney's CBD.

'Imagine if the police warned blacks or gays not to come into Sydney's CBD.'
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:34pm
 
A "Neo-Nazi" they say?  I'm surprised there was only one.  We don;t need any division and supremacism in this country.

The 'governor' - FFS - just another sweet ride for some old mate of no real value.

The RSL has no reason to apologise to any elder.
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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:24pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
Regardless, the Anzac ceremony is no place for heckling.

Agree.
But we've seen much worse.

Worse heckling?
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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:45pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:38pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:24pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
Regardless, the Anzac ceremony is no place for heckling.

Agree.
But we've seen much worse.

Worse heckling?

Yes.
Read on, numpty.

There were scenes of chaos at the Opera House as the demonstration was hijacked by radical Muslims -  some wearing black masks - who threw lit flares at police and chanted 'bugger Israel' and 'bugger the Jews' beneath the steps of the iconic harbouside venue.  At one point, there were even chants of 'gas the Jews'.




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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:47pm
 
Worse heckling of the meeting that was under way?
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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:42pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 6:47pm:
Worse heckling of the meeting that was under way?

Much worse.

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