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Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines
Reply #15 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 1:02pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 10:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 9:08am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 6:26am:

Where's the money coming from? Sad

$368 billion will be printed by the RBA to cover it.

It will cause more inflation.

It's good value .. the submarines even come with flyscreens included. Thats normally an optional extra.

The first three submarines we're getting are former US Navy submarines. But they will be ours to do with as we wish, with no US input. After that, we will be working with the UK to design and build an entirely new class of attack submarine to be utilised by both the RAN and RN with some US technology built in such as some weapons systems and sensors. In both instances, we will have a sovereign nuclear-powered submarine capability.

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Reply #16 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 2:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Submarines are absolutely useless against air attack or air invasion, and any such action is far more probable than any sea borne attack.

Really? So you don't think that a submarine can lurk undetected off the coast of a hostile nation and launch an attack at an airbase if the need should arise? A submarine is probably the ONLY way to do such an attack without risking detection. The nuclear powered submarines we will be buying from the US have this very capability with the missiles having a range of 2,000 kilometres.

Yes, really and bear in mind that the subs we will be getting are not nuclear powered.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109526 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines Reply #17 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm They are planned to be nuclear powered but the chances are we'll never see any subs.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2657 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines Reply #18 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:20pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm: They are planed to be nuclear powered but the chances are we'll never see any subs. Beg to differ, nuclear power in the context of submarine is a misnomer.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109526 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines Reply #19 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:26pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm: They are planned to be nuclear powered but the chances are we'll never see any subs. Beg to differ, nuclear power in the context of submarine is a misnomer. They would have a nuclear reactor for propulsion.
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Reply #20 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

They are planned to be nuclear powered

but the chances are we'll never see any subs.

Beg to differ, nuclear power in the context of submarine is a misnomer.

They would have a nuclear reactor for propulsion.

That’s just the point the nuclear reactor can run until its fuel rods are dead and, of itself, can only project anxiety but it cannot move the sub,

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Reply #21 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:12pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

They are planned to be nuclear powered

but the chances are we'll never see any subs.

Beg to differ, nuclear power in the context of submarine is a misnomer.

They would have a nuclear reactor for propulsion.

That’s just the point the nuclear reactor can run until its fuel rods are dead and, of itself, can only project anxiety but it cannot move the sub,

Are you alright mate? Undecided

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2657 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines Reply #22 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:16pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 12:40pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8528/trQvAo.jpg Wow!! Another brilliant and well thought out contribution by Long bayonets Brian,
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Reply #23 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:12pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 4:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

They are planned to be nuclear powered

but the chances are we'll never see any subs.

Beg to differ, nuclear power in the context of submarine is a misnomer.

They would have a nuclear reactor for propulsion.

That’s just the point the nuclear reactor can run until its fuel rods are dead and, of itself, can only project anxiety but it cannot move the sub,

Are you alright mate? Undecided

Yes thanks; but I’m pedantic, and the submarines that we have on order will definitely not be nuclear powered, no matter what the politicians [in their desire to get votes] may say.=

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109526 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines Reply #24 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:32pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:21pm: Yes thanks; but I’m pedantic, and the submarines that we have on order will definitely not be nuclear powered, no matter what the politicians [in their desire to get votes] may say.= But they will be nuclear powered.
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Reply #25 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:37pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 12:40pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8528/trQvAo.jpg

Wow!! Another brilliant and well thought out contribution by Long bayonets Brian,

And he bought his wife in Bangkok. She love him long time even though he love her back for just 1 minute

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Reply #26 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Yes thanks; but I’m pedantic, and the submarines that we have on order will definitely not be nuclear powered, no matter what the politicians [in their desire to get votes] may say.=

But they will be nuclear powered. Roll Eyes

That’s the point, they will NOT be nuclear powered, there are no nuclear powered ships, the French tried a submarine but it was considered to be very dangerous and converted or scrappedthe Russians may have had a go but as bone of their subs’ are nuclear powered its a moot point.

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Reply #27 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:04pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Yes thanks; but I’m pedantic, and the submarines that we have on order will definitely not be nuclear powered, no matter what the politicians [in their desire to get votes] may say.=

But they will be nuclear powered. Roll Eyes

That’s the point, they will NOT be nuclear powered, there are no nuclear powered ships, the French tried a submarine but it was considered to be very dangerous; the Russians may have had a go but as bone of their subs’ are nuclear powered its a moot point.

Have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine

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Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines
Reply #28 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Yes thanks; but I’m pedantic, and the submarines that we have on order will definitely not be nuclear powered, no matter what the politicians [in their desire to get votes] may say.=

But they will be nuclear powered. Roll Eyes

That’s the point, they will NOT be nuclear powered, there are no nuclear powered ships, the French tried a submarine but it was considered to be very dangerous; the Russians may have had a go but as bone of their subs’ are nuclear powered its a moot point.

Have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine

I have and they are demonstrably wrong, although they are probably aware of the truth, but it’s good politics to call them nuclear powered.
Read the link again, it explains why the subs are no
T nuclear powered ships.

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Re: Forking Out Billions For AUKUS Submarines
Reply #29 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 7:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Submarines are absolutely useless against air attack or air invasion, and any such action is far more probable than any sea borne attack.

Really? So you don't think that a submarine can lurk undetected off the coast of a hostile nation and launch an attack at an airbase if the need should arise? A submarine is probably the ONLY way to do such an attack without risking detection. The nuclear powered submarines we will be buying from the US have this very capability with the missiles having a range of 2,000 kilometres.

They also have the permanent capacity to make a lot of noise and although they have improved in this respect they are still noisier than our long retired ‘’Orion’’class of the 1970s.
Then there is the detectable heat signature, some thing which cannot be avoided where there is a.nuclear reactor., it has to be kept relatively cool and cold water in equals hot water out’.

There is only one nuclear fueled commercial ship in the world and that is simply because the overall cost is too high, something that Australia will, no doubt, discover.

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