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Re: Too Old To Work, Too Young For The Pension
Reply #15 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:54pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Mother nature kills off the old once they serve no purpose to the pack/herd/village.

Interestingly older women can serve a purpose in looking after grandchildren. Humans . Killer whales and elephants keep females around after menopause to raise and teach grandchildren

Other species don't.

Voluntary assisted dying will become huge in coming decades.

There  are not the workers or the cash to care for the lingering frail elderly.

Do everything you can to maintain your strength and vigor and your family relationships

Governments cannot and will not be able to look after millions of disabled sick 80 yo"s

Personal responsibility  will be the order of the day


Only a few decades ago thats what we used to do - but corrupt government’S … have sold us out…  have stolen 10s of thousands of dollars off us through inflation…

INFLATION IS THEFT…

We used to be able to have ONE bread winner….

You could have a dozen kids, buy a house and car and live ok…

Not now…

Now you need both man and wife working and you still struggle…
Its deliberate



When I was a kid - a married man with a wife and 4 kids could
afford to support them all by working in a lowly factory job -
not anymore.

Hardly anyone can afford to even get married and have kids nowadays -
so how does the Govt solve that ? -
by importing immigrants by the millions.
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Reply #16 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 2:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:54pm:
SerialBrain9 wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Mother nature kills off the old once they serve no purpose to the pack/herd/village.

Interestingly older women can serve a purpose in looking after grandchildren. Humans . Killer whales and elephants keep females around after menopause to raise and teach grandchildren

Other species don't.

Voluntary assisted dying will become huge in coming decades.

There  are not the workers or the cash to care for the lingering frail elderly.

Do everything you can to maintain your strength and vigor and your family relationships

Governments cannot and will not be able to look after millions of disabled sick 80 yo"s

Personal responsibility  will be the order of the day


Only a few decades ago thats what we used to do - but corrupt government’S … have sold us out…  have stolen 10s of thousands of dollars off us through inflation…

INFLATION IS THEFT…

We used to be able to have ONE bread winner….

You could have a dozen kids, buy a house and car and live ok…

Not now…

Now you need both man and wife working and you still struggle…
Its deliberate



When I was a kid - a married man with a wife and 4 kids could
afford to support them all by working in a lowly factory job -
not anymore.

Hardly anyone can afford to even get married and have kids nowadays -
so how does the Govt solve that ? -
by importing immigrants by the millions.


When you were a kid did your parents update their mobile phone every year, have netflix accounts, spotify, buy all the latest fads on the net, have two cars, buy barista made coffees, have a 65inch tv, go to Bali every couple of months or did they just live within their means?.
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Reply #17 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 3:03pm
 
White collars can wear out just as much as physical workers like Tradies, etc. Blue Collar and White Collar are both 'workers', process workers to be exact. A Manager can become mentally fatigued by the demands of his job. Could explain why so many white collars go bald from mental stress.
The world has become more mentally 'complex' and hence the rise in mental health where people suffer the mental stress of life no different to the days of old where hard physical labour took its toll.
These days, well in Australia anyway, a lot of physical labour is now alleviated by better tools, machines, etc.
A White Collar's mind can wear down considerably if their mental work is very repetitive (like a factory worker), unstimulating and uninspiring. Just a mental version of the daily grind.

Regardless, those who have put the real hard work in to follow mentally Academic or physically Technical careers reap the rewards of a life that is free of major repetition and experience more stimulation and more freedom of personal expression and growth.

So who is the retirement age really for?
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Reply #18 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 9:53pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Mother nature kills off the old once they serve no purpose to the pack/herd/village.

Interestingly older women can serve a purpose in looking after grandchildren. Humans . Killer whales and elephants keep females around after menopause to raise and teach grandchildren
Other species don't.

Voluntary assisted dying will become huge in coming decades.

There  are not the workers or the cash to care for the lingering frail elderly.

Do everything you can to maintain your strength and vigor and your family relationships

Governments cannot and will not be able to look after millions of disabled sick 80 yo"s

Personal responsibility  will be the order of the day

No government, of whatever ideological hue, will ever be an adequate substitute for nature.

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Reply #19 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 10:10pm
 
I don’t believe it’s the government’s job?

And the support that they currently offer has to be some of the best in the world!

As far as working goes I’m simply been preprogrammed.

I don’t even need to look at the time.
I know after 20 minutes naturally little lunch is over and instinctively get back to work after our big lunch of 30 minutes.

When my time comes I will simply volunteer in a needed role.

Work is just part of my dna.
It doesn’t define me but I’m so lucky to have always been in secure employment.

I believe I won life’s trifecta.

Born in Australia.
Born white.
Always in full time work.

Basically blessed.
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Reply #20 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 7:23am
 
Leroy wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 2:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:54pm:
When I was a kid - a married man with a wife and 4 kids could
afford to support them all by working in a lowly factory job -
not anymore.

Hardly anyone can afford to even get married and have kids nowadays -
so how does the Govt solve that ? -
by importing immigrants by the millions.


When you were a kid did your parents update their mobile phone every year, have netflix accounts, spotify, buy all the latest fads on the net, have two cars, buy barista made coffees, have a 65inch tv, go to Bali every couple of months or did they just live within their means?.



No - people didn't expect such things then -
just one colour TV, a radio, a record player, a washing machine and a fridge
was the most you could expect in a household -
however -
a man in a lowly factory job could also pay off a house -
own a car, and raise 4 kids and support his wife.


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Reply #21 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 8:20am
 
Greens announce plan to lower pension age and increase payment rate
2022-04-08
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Greens Welfare spokesperson Senator Janet Rice and Queensland Lead Senate candidate Penny Allman-Payne will today in Brisbane announce the Greens’ fully-costed plan to return the retirement age back down from 67 to 65 and grant every Australian Earlier Access to the Age Pension.

This comes in addition to the Greens' recently announced commitment to raise the rate of the pension to $88 a day.

Senator Rice will join Penny Allman-Payne, who is on track to win Pauline Hanson’s seat in the Senate for the Greens, to campaign on issues that matter to Queenslanders, including the party’s plan to support older Australians.

Lowering the eligibility age will expand access to the pension for hundreds of thousands of older Australians currently living in poverty, and provide a well-deserved earlier retirement with guaranteed income support for people who have worked their entire lives on low wages in order to take care of their families.

Since the Rudd Government’s 2009 increase to the pension age from 65 to 67, Liberal and Labor have been failing low-income older Australians.

Across the country, thousands of older Australians approaching retirement age have limited capacity to continue working or have been excluded from the labour market entirely. Thousands more are in physically demanding, minimum wage jobs, forced to keep working an additional two years because of successive Labor and Liberal governments failing to give them the support they need.

Leader of the Australian Greens Adam Bandt MP says that if the Greens are successful in their campaign to kick the Liberals out and secure balance of power, they will use their leverage to push to ensure older voters and the working class aren’t left in the dust again by a future Labor government.

This is the first time the Greens have taken early-access to the Age Pension to an election, a call heard from older Australians who say they’ve been abandoned by Labor. The Greens announcement today in Queensland reflects the party’s optimism for winning Hanson’s Senate seat, the swing lower house seats of Griffith, Brisbane and Ryan, and belief that older voters especially in Queensland no longer feel represented by Labor or Liberal.

Quotes attributable to Adam Bandt MP, Leader of the Australian Greens:
“Nobody should be forced to work forever in this country, and nobody should retire into poverty. The Greens are proud to fight for the right to retire at 65 with an income that will actually pay the bills.

“There is a poverty crisis amongst older Australians, and it’s worse for older women, who are the fastest growing group facing homelessness.

“Older people who have worked in minimum wage jobs and in manual labour are being forced to look for work instead of enjoying the retirement they deserve.

“In balance of power, the Greens will fight to restore respect and dignity in ageing, and ensure that it’s rest and revitalisation, not poverty, awaiting people at the end of their working years. By making billionaires pay their fair share of tax, older Australians can retire earlier with dignity.”

Quotes attributable to Senator Janet Rice, Australian Greens spokesperson for family, ageing and community services:
“The Liberals and Labor have abandoned older voters and working families across the country. There are hundreds of thousands of older Australians living in poverty, counting the days until their next birthday so they can finally reach pension age.

“Enabling earlier access to the Age Pension will reduce poverty in Australia, and support thousands of older Australians who deserve better from our government.

“Thousands of older working people are living paycheck to paycheck and can’t afford to retire. Many are working for starvation wages, in back-breaking jobs - in manufacturing, in hospitality, in supermarkets, as labourers and salespeople - people who have worked hard all their lives and are being forced to wait an extra two years to retire. The Greens won’t make them wait any longer.

“Anyone who has ever struggled to put food on their table, or had to make a choice between paying the rent on time or getting the medication they need, knows how long an extra two-year wait really is.

“For too long, both Labor and the Liberals have pushed through policies that make the rich richer and have left everyone else behind. It’s time the government takes care of low income workers and older Australians.”
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Reply #22 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 8:24am
 
There are hundreds of thousands of older Australians living in poverty, counting the days until their next birthday so they can finally reach pension age.  At least the Greens have the right idea.  Put the pension age back to 65.   Sad
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Reply #23 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 9:56am
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Mother nature kills off the old once they serve no purpose to the pack/herd/village.

Interestingly older women can serve a purpose in looking after grandchildren. Humans . Killer whales and elephants keep females around after menopause to raise and teach grandchildren
Other species don't.

Voluntary assisted dying will become huge in coming decades.

There  are not the workers or the cash to care for the lingering frail elderly.

Do everything you can to maintain your strength and vigor and your family relationships

Governments cannot and will not be able to look after millions of disabled sick 80 yo"s

Personal responsibility  will be the order of the day


Everything you need to know (and most of us already knew) about aquascoot all wrapped up in a single post.

Disgraceful stuff.
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2025 at 4:24pm
 
Your state pension is a socialist bribe


Every four weeks the government sends me my state pension. Those words have a socialist, almost Soviet, ring. The amount has recently risen to £11,973 a year – a preposterous sum to send a 67-year-old man still in paid employment. But from the state’s point of view, the money is not entirely wasted: it buys a kind of loyalty. Because I accept the money, and do so with a certain pleasure, I am bound into the system and am less likely to say it’s a bad one. I’ve allowed myself to become a dependent. I may criticise the way the welfare state is run and demand improvements in the administration of one or another part of it, but I have become less likely to challenge the principle of the whole thing.

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Whoever’s running the show will have to cut the size of the welfare state, and this will be denounced as balancing the books on the backs of the poor.

The counter-arguments are less easy to make than they used to be. We’re all socialists now. All of us, the present writer included, look to the state as the great, the indispensable provider of welfare, and just over half of us receive more in benefits than we pay in taxes.

Nowhere is our dependency more obvious than in the field of health. We tell each other the NHS must remain free at the point of use, which means the state must pay the ever-increasing bills. Indeed, we proclaim that the state is morally obliged to pay for social care too, though because of the exorbitant cost, this has not yet happened in any satisfactory way.

We delude ourselves when we suppose that the state can be as responsive as a family or a neighbour. As Utley said, compassion cannot be delegated to bureaucrats. It is immoral to suppose we can evade our obligations by paying our taxes and instructing those bureaucrats to do better. The welfare state undermines freedom and self-reliance. It demeans and coarsens us by encouraging us to be selfish.

None of us is absolved by paying our taxes from the duty to help the weak.  Our politicians are terrified of admitting that we can’t afford the welfare state in its present form. They know that promising to abolish the pension triple lock is no way to win an election. But there will come a time in the next few years when it has to be abolished, and one hopes some political leader will then admit that buying the votes of people like me was never a moral policy in the first place.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/your-state-pension-is-a-socialist-bribe/?gro...
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Reply #25 - May 21st, 2025 at 5:27pm
 
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Reply #26 - May 21st, 2025 at 5:57pm
 
Leroy wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 11:35am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 11:26am:
Leroy wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 11:14am:
I think most people do as well.
Most people need to work to have a purpose in life, it is also a social outlet.
You have 35 years to sort your life out,
if you haven't got it sorted by 50 years old you aint never going to get it right.



Many people are brainwashed by the age of 50 and just keep on working
without even knowing why.
You shouldn't need to work to have a purpose in life.
I knew a guy who owned 6 or 7 houses and was still working at the age of 70 -
what the hell for?
Was he just a robot?



I retired at 60 because I had things I want to do but I have mates that could retire but prefer to work. Its no good retiring if you are an active person with nothing to do.



Well - if you have your own business where you are in charge it's not so bad
but if you work for an employer -
you are being exploited - that's for sure.
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Reply #27 - May 22nd, 2025 at 12:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 7:32am:
Er, because we live longer than most other nations?


Yeah - I think that's just a convenient fallacy.

Young fit bloke I know dropped dead of heart attack last week at 48 yrs old.

And self inflicted death by suicide is the biggest killer of people under the age of 35 and the biggest killer of men under the age of 50.

2023: A total of 2,419 men died by suicide (18.0 deaths per 100,000), compared to 795 women (5.8 per 100,000).

Then there's early deaths by breast cancer for women & prostate cancer for men.

Pension eligibility should be reduced back to 65.
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Reply #28 - May 22nd, 2025 at 12:15pm
 
Leroy wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 7:45am:
whiteknight wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 7:11am:
Why does Australia have such a high pension age?.   Sad


67 is not that old, many people work well into their seventies.


In specific jobs yes. But manual labour jobs No.

Most tradies like builders, brickies, concreters & plumbers are stuffed by their mid 50s.

Wanting people to stay working until they die is ridiculous.
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Reply #29 - May 22nd, 2025 at 12:19pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 1:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 25th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Mother nature kills off the old once they serve no purpose to the pack/herd/village.

Interestingly older women can serve a purpose in looking after grandchildren. Humans . Killer whales and elephants keep females around after menopause to raise and teach grandchildren

Other species don't.

Voluntary assisted dying will become huge in coming decades.

There  are not the workers or the cash to care for the lingering frail elderly.

Do everything you can to maintain your strength and vigor and your family relationships

Governments cannot and will not be able to look after millions of disabled sick 80 yo"s

Personal responsibility  will be the order of the day


Only a few decades ago thats what we used to do - but corrupt government’S … have sold us out…  have stolen 10s of thousands of dollars off us through inflation…

INFLATION IS THEFT…

We used to be able to have ONE bread winner….

You could have a dozen kids, buy a house and car and live ok…

Not now…

Now you need both man and wife working and you stilll struggle…
Its deliberate


Now Albanese & Chalmers want to steal your Super & tax you on "unrealised" gains.

If that's not stealing by stealth I'm not here.
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