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Mar 15th, 2025 at 8:42am
 
From its foundation, Australia has been a vassal state.

After the first 120 years of imposed colonial vassaldom, then another 40 years of vassaldom to the UK by choice, Australians naturally transferred submission to the US, where it has remained to this day.

In the current environment, while it’s tempting to imagine Canada and Australia are in the same circumstantial boat, culturally we’re not only not in the same boat, but metaphorically - and nevermind literally - we’re not even in the same ocean.

Can anyone imagine an Australian prime minister standing up to a US president - even one as big of a dumbc~nt as Trump - the way Trudeau and Carney have? Can anyone imagine an Australian state premier also standing up to him in the way Canadian premiers have?

Of course not.

Both Albanese and Dutton will instinctively slink around on all fours, hoping to stay out of the full glare of a US president, and lick his arsehole and boots in the hope he’ll like us enough to leave Australia alone.

And pay any shakedown money he demands of Australians.
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Reply #1 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:59am
 
What makes you think we are a vassal state, other than you disagreeing with how our PM behaves?
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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:00am
 
Easy for Canadians as they are on the same continent. And they surround other US states & territories.

We're pretty isolated - have the most populous Islamic state just to our North & a bit further China.

Who just flexed their military muscle at us a week or so ago.

Deal or no deal - I'd rather cast our hat in with the Yanks than the Chinese.
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Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:53am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:00am:
Easy for Canadians as they are on the same continent. And they surround other US states & territories.

We're pretty isolated - have the most populous Islamic state just to our North & a bit further China.

Who just flexed their military muscle at us a week or so ago.

Deal or no deal - I'd rather cast our hat in with the Yanks than the Chinese.

Notwithstanding that Canada has had literally hundreds of years to manage, what Philip Roth coined, the Indigenous American berserk - the American capacity for a cultural hysterical madness to take hold of its citizens within days. Think the anti-communist hysteria resulting in McCarthyism.

As Europe was warned off rearming, so Australia was warned off arming itself to any degree that would even remotely challenge US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific. Instead, it insisted on Australia leaving military defence to the US, thus further cementing its role as Western civilisation's supreme and sole leader.

The US has encouraged Australians to remember that we are isolated and weak and that any thought of directing the nation towards military self-reliance is futile. This imposed ideology dovetailed into an already established indigenous sense of existentially necessary submission to imperial overlordship.
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:07am
 
The notion that Australia must consider itself permanently isolated and weak flies in the face of the geopolitical reality immediately after the unconditional surrender of Japan in 1945.

Japan was crushed, Indonesia was still a Dutch colony, South East Asia, including Singapore, was nothing other than colonial outposts of Britain and France, and India was a basket case soon to be starting from nothing as an independent nation...

The only nations virtually untouched in the region were Australia and New Zealand - almost as untouched as the US and Canada.

Why was Australia ostensibly not in a prime position to seize the day and begin to establish itself as a regional hegemon - long before the world even spoke of China and Southeast Asian nations as anything other than the world's 'sick men'?
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:05pm
 
Australia needs to devolve its complete dependence on the US for its foreign policy and defence by aligning itself with a resurgent Western Europe, while working towards arming itself appropriately to conduct its own defence, even in the absence of the US.

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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:11pm
 
I was thinking more of the delusion of division of actual power in this nation which implies that those not of one's group must somehow be vassals to be dictated to at whim...

That's where you real problems lie.

Too many people here with not much upstairs and not much ticker wanting to run the show - giving full merit to the old adage that he who seeks power is generally the last on you would want to hold it.

Most people are content to just graze along and earn a fair living and have a fair and reasonable life - there's always some arsehole out there with a mental delusion who imagines their way MUST be forced on all others.  They range from the top capitalists, rabid rightists and so forth all the way across the spectrum to the top communists, lunatic leftists etc... and every shade in between.

The very fact that we live in such a convict colony derivation damaged society means there are countless people who feel, rightly or wrongly, that they have been 'short-changed' - and often they are right... where they are wrong is in trying to 'balance it out' by short-changing others in turn and thus perpetuating the real problems - look at feminised Labor these days and its madcap ideas.. at least Duttoncorp is happy to return us to wage slavery again under the direct diktat of Der Fuhrerboss ...... lick his/her balls or you are banished to the poverty gulag for life... and women are the worst at it given their sense of entitlement born and bred and their constantly being told they are STILL short-changed!!  FFS!!!

Well - you know what I say to them all?  We, the People - are coming... and hell is coming with us!  And if that returns you to the Hand Maiden's Tale - then join the Hand Men already shoved there, you dickheads.  Schoolyard politics elevated to the national scale is all it is... you retards.

If only those People would just stay awake long enough to actually hold on to what they know is/was wrong this time around.... and vote the bloody lot out.
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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:23pm
 
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As Europe was warned off rearming, so Australia was warned off arming itself to any degree that would even remotely challenge US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific.


The US has about 13 times our population. Unless we wanted to bankrupt ourselves funding a huge military, there is no way we could challenge US dominance. You don't have to warn someone against doing the impossible.

The US often tries to draw back from its role as the world's police force. They want their allies to take more of the military burden, not less. They wanted as many countries as possible in Afghanistan and Iraq. And they are now bailing on Ukraine.
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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:38pm
 
The US warned Australia off becoming a regional hegemony - not one that would threaten US world hegemony nor its arrogation of de facto sole and supreme leadership of Western civilisation to itself - something that would have been eminently possible immediately after WW2.

However, such a status would have endowed Australia with enough independence to forge its own unique foreign policy in pre- and post-emerging Asia, something that the fledgling neo-imperial US would not tolerate.


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Reply #9 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:42pm
 
The US is drawing back from policing world trade sea lanes, not global hegemony.

The US intends to use advanced technology to prosecute all its wars from within its borders.
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Reply #10 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
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The US warned Australia off becoming a regional hegemony


When?
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:13am
 
So Albanese is venturing into unfamiliar territory for an Australian prime minister: publicly standing against the US on a major geopolitical matter involving Australia's military position.

From Holt's 'All the way with LBJ' in support of the Vietnam War, to Hawke's transferring US diplomatic heat to NZ's David Lange over his anti-nuclear stance, to Howard's joining the US 'Coalition of the Willing' in Iraq... Albanese appears to be bucking the Australian-US sycophantic prime ministerial tradition with a commitment to another coalition of the willing... to support Ukraine... Albanese is invoking the ghost of Gough Whitlam.

Anthony Albanese says it is in 'Australia's national interest' to back Ukraine following virtual world leader summit

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/anthony-albanese-speaks-out-on-ukraine-an...
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:32am
 
The Governor-Generals serve Great Britain
The Prime Ministers serve the USA
The people serve Aboriginaldom

It's a Clayton's Country
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:40am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:32am:
The Prime Ministers serve the USA

Yep, well that's been the tradition...

Where the British at least had enough sense of shame to hold Blair accountable for going along with the Bush Administration and entering Iraq based on a lie as part of the 'Coalition of the Willing', Australia's Howard was not.

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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:51am
 
"Others can do what they want to do, that's their business. If other leaders for various reasons refuse or can't take a stand or have to go along with the administration, that's their business.

But justice is indivisible. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."


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