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Re: What Foreign aid would you cut?
Reply #75 - Yesterday at 11:30am

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 9:49am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:45am:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 9:25am:

Indonesia has no expansionist aims. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

It did - East Timor.

It does - Papua.

Both under the old regime, a regime that hasn't run Indonesia for over 30 years, Soren. Stop your Cold War thinking, you silly White Supremacist. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are talking ignorant crap as always.

The Republic of West Papua has been a member state of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization (UNPO) since the organization's founding in 1991

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45964	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #76 - Yesterday at 11:37am We surrendered our rights to protest the Indonesian take over of West Papua in 1961 when the UN took over the administration from the Dutch colonial masters. When the US refused to back us against Indonesia. It is the reason why we became involved in the South Vietnam conflict, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52175 At my desk.	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #77 - Yesterday at 12:03pm Quote: We surrendered our rights to protest the Indonesian No we didn't. More spineless apologetics. You desperately seek out any excuse for why you are not allowed to criticise Muslim countries.
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Re: What Foreign aid would you cut?
Reply #78 - Yesterday at 12:24pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:03pm:

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We surrendered our rights to protest the Indonesian

No we didn't. More spineless apologetics. You desperately seek out any excuse for why you are not allowed to criticise Muslim countries.

OH, you can criticise them to your heart's content but you need to understand what actually happened and why. The Indonesians had a bee in their bonnet about West Papua being Dutch, despite it never having been a part of the Netherlands East Indies colony. Suharto demanded that it be ceded to him, rather in the manner Trump is demanding Greenland. He staged an invasion attempt. The Dutch repelled his forces. The Dutch sent an aircraft carrier and some ships to defend it but balked at the cost of stationing them so far from home. Canberra made some belligerent noises but lacked the forces. Washington was more interested in assuring freedom of navigation for it's SLBM carrying submarines from Guam and refused our request for support. Canberra was forced to back down and agreed to the Dutch signing over the administration to the UN. The UN decided to sign the administration over to Indonesia who held a mock referendum amongst the Papuans. Canberra, alarmed at the US response began taking a greater interest in world events and got involved in South Vietnam and forced the American commitment. We became involved in our longest military commitment before Afghanistan. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52175 At my desk.	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #79 - Yesterday at 12:29pm Quote: OH, you can criticise them to your heart's content But we have no right to protest? Are you allowed to criticise Muslims and Muslim countries Brian?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45964	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #80 - Yesterday at 12:31pm freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:29pm: Quote: OH, you can criticise them to your heart's content But we have no right to protest? You can protest all you want, Australia surrendered that right in 1961. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52175 At my desk.	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #81 - Yesterday at 12:40pm Are you allowed to criticise Muslims and Muslim countries Brian?
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Re: What Foreign aid would you cut?
Reply #82 - Yesterday at 1:07pm

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:29pm:

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OH, you can criticise them to your heart's content

But we have no right to protest?

You can protest all you want, Australia surrendered that right in 1961. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When did YOU surrender your right to criticise Islam?
And what makes you think that your spineless surrender and submission to Islam means that everyone else should likewise surrender and submit to Islam?

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Re: What Foreign aid would you cut?
Reply #83 - Yesterday at 1:34pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:40pm:

Are you allowed to criticise Muslims and Muslim countries Brian?

In Australia?

Of course he is, so am I.

Just as I can point to the CAUSE of Islamic terrorism ie the ongoing occupation and oppression of Palestinians in Palestinian land.

But in Muslim lands?

Why would I want to criticize Islam in Muslim lands? That's a job for the UN/international community.

But I see you can't manage the nexus between foreign aid and dysfunctional global economics.

Given your deplorable ignorant 'TINA' mainstream Neoclassical-economics dogma.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52175 At my desk.	Re: What Foreign aid would you cut? Reply #84 - Yesterday at 3:35pm Quote: Of course he is, so am I. Not according to Brian. You are yet to experience the extent of Brian's spineless apologetics.
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