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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14092 Armidale Gender:	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #30 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 12:43pm But you see, the Ukrainians are nazis backed by nazi supporters in the west. Calling Putin a nazi is praise and loyalty to him.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14092 Armidale Gender:	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #31 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 12:59pm Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:11am: the security of Russia is under attack. Europe only supplied F16s and Leopards because they were forced to by President Obama the communist who invaded Russia in 2014. The Nazi Reich of Brussels stands firmly with Vladimir the Greatest.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14092 Armidale Gender:	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #32 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 1:07pm .
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ProudKangaroo Gold Member Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 21594 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #33 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:42am: Your agenda is clear. I knew you'd find a way to ignore what I said, that was entirely expected. But I didn't think you'd try to twist it into an accusation of sorts. What are you afraid of?
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Reply #34 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:03pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 6:46am:

disgraceful that keyboard warriors like gweg and karmal talk tough and then expect a million young ukranians to fight like they were on the somme in 1915.

i could see these gutless wonders sending white feathers to young ukranians whilst they sought assylum in europe (its not illegal to seek assylum)

this war should have been ended 2 yrs ago

ukraine gives up a bit of territory and the piss weak countries like germany ( who cant even fight off a muslim in a toyota from killing their people) can man up, spend 4 % of gdp and provide security to their neighbours

last time i looked the usa was not one of the ukraines neighbours

trumps neighbours are canada mexico panama and greenland.

he needs to extract good deals for the american citizens ( his ONLY concern) from these neighbours.

and he will because he isnt a gutless hypocrite like the leftie intellectuals .

he will save millions of ukranians lives

should win a nobel peace prize but he wont because the leftie intellectuals are nothing if not deluded f wits

Your DL will back Vlad, get bored and give up. Ukraine will remain in the war. Your DL will move onto the next thing, claiming victory for nothing.

And yes, dear, if Russia was blowing up Australian schools and hospitals, I'd be doing everything in my power to get them out.

This week, Russia has been sending drones into Ukrainian apartment blocks. No military value whatsoever, it's killing civilians just for fun.

That's the country your DL's handing Ukraine to.

I'm genuinely curious. How does that feel?

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Reply #35 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

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Reply #36 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:00am

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine.

Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians.

Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

It's right up there with telling the Japanese to stop whaling.
No wonder the NIHONESE don't hear their name called on the roster.

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Reply #37 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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ProudKangaroo Gold Member Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 21594 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #38 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:11am It is funny that all these people saying we shouldn't call Putin names, support Trump. I don't think there is a single people Trump has had to deal with that he hasn't called a name...
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Reply #39 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:47am

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

It's both sad and scary in equal parts that you believe the crap you just said.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14092 Armidale Gender:	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #40 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 9:03am Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am: forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. . Very good guy. According to Fortune, the Russian president is worth up to $200 billion. This is half a Musk and a good deal.
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Reply #41 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 10:39am

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

Crimea.

We tried that with Crimea.

Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

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Reply #42 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 10:46am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:47am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

It's both sad and scary in equal parts that you believe the crap you just said.

Is that all you got? Thanks for confirming me right with your lack off to prove me wrong. Lol

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4472 Gender:	Re: Calling Putin names Reply #43 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway.
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Reply #44 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 5:08pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 10:39am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

Crimea.

We tried that with Crimea.

Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

There is a lot of compressed history here but the gist for our purposes is that Crimea was never a genuine Ukranian territory. It was a Russian territory, and before that, an ottoman conquest.

Crimea's strategic position led to the 1854 Crimean War and many short lived regimes following the 1917 Russian Revolution. When the Bolsheviks secured Crimea, it became an autonomous soviet republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. It was occupied by Germany during World War II. When the Soviets retook it in 1944, Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed and deported under the orders of Joseph Stalin, in what has been described as a cultural genocide. Crimea was downgraded to an oblast in 1945. In 1954, the USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1654.

After Ukrainian independence in 1991, most of the peninsula was reorganized as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The Soviet fleet in Crimea was in contention, but a 1997 treaty allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol. In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognise Crimea as Ukrainian territory.[2]

The thinker about that part of the world is that they have long histories and long memories.

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