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AI in future wars
Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:08pm

With Elon doing audit with Pentagon he made some predictions with future of wars.

Ukraine has shown Tanks are obsolete small cheap drones can take them out.

Ships are also in danger with cheap drones.

The current problem with drones is frequency bandwidth which limits the number of radio controlled drones used at any time.

Drones can fly a pre programmed course and blow up specific static targets which gets around bandwidth problem yet they can't change mission mid course.

With AI the bandwidth problem is gone and drones will have ability to change mission mid flight.

With self driving vehicles this is another aspect to look at for mobile weapons

Elon revolutionised electric cars and space flight (nobody else can land a rocket where it took off) he might also change the way future wars are fought.

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Reply #1 - Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:26pm

Gone are the days when you could look your enemy in the eye, comment on his choice of fashion, before putting a hole through it with a big bastard of a sword ⚔️ 🗡️

Now it's Geeks on a comfy chair playing Xbox with armed Drones and blowing up $Billions in obsolete war machines and soldiers who have no idea 'who' they are fighting.

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Reply #2 - Feb 11^th, 2025 at 11:22pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Gone are the days when you could look your enemy in the eye, comment on his choice of fashion, before putting a hole through it with a big bastard of a sword ⚔️ 🗡️

Now it's Geeks on a comfy chair playing Xbox with armed Drones and blowing up $Billions in obsolete war machines and soldiers who have no idea 'who' they are fighting.

They could put a speaker in the drones so you can comment on poofy dress before saying you're terminated muthafcker.

AI will change the battlefield it will be like fighting those flying drones in video games.

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Reply #3 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 4:20am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:08pm:

With Elon doing audit with Pentagon he made some predictions with future of wars.

Ukraine has shown Tanks are obsolete small cheap drones can take them out.

Ships are also in danger with cheap drones.

The current problem with drones is frequency bandwidth which limits the number of radio controlled drones used at any time.

Drones can fly a pre programmed course and blow up specific static targets which gets around bandwidth problem yet they can't change mission mid course.

With AI the bandwidth problem is gone and drones will have ability to change mission mid flight.

With self driving vehicles this is another aspect to look at for mobile weapons

Elon revolutionised electric cars and space flight (nobody else can land a rocket where it took off) he might also change the way future wars are fought.

It's probably too early to write off tanks, but drones have really changed everything.

Although drones are not omnipotent either and electronic warfare systems can combat them.

But drones greatly hinder the passage of military equipment - tanks, cars, etc., they are good at finding the locations of enemy guns and mortars and can detect infantry movements.

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Reply #4 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 4:30am

Jasin wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Gone are the days when you could look your enemy in the eye, comment on his choice of fashion, before putting a hole through it with a big bastard of a sword ⚔️ 🗡️

Now it's Geeks on a comfy chair playing Xbox with armed Drones and blowing up $Billions in obsolete war machines and soldiers who have no idea 'who' they are fighting.

You are right.

I have never seen a single Ukrainian soldier.

Only assault units can meet each other face to face.

Most deaths a few kilometers from the front occur from FPV drone attacks or mortar shelling, or large drones with heavy ammunition are dropped at night on dugouts and on soldiers who come out to pee their "gifts".

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52080 Gender:	Re: AI in future wars Reply #5 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 6:00am It's all 'projectile' fighting. The physicality is obsolete. It's almost become 'de-humanised'.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43978	Re: AI in future wars Reply #6 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 12:54pm AI wars are old hat. The first one was Operation Desert Storm way back in 1990. AIs played a crucial part in the planning stages of the conflict. They basically planned what was going to be hit and when it was to be hit by air attack. Humans had little input into the planning process. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50215 At my desk.	Re: AI in future wars Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 1:05pm Quote: With AI the bandwidth problem is gone How? Will the drones jump on the internet and google what to blow up?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52080 Gender:	Re: AI in future wars Reply #8 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 4:30pm Ahh yes. Desert Storm. Where America also attacked 'friendlies'. Amphetamine junkie American pilots, Artillery and Tank crews taking out allies. Was it due to AI calculations gone wrong or were they using the Force like Jedi Knights??
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Reply #9 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 9:15pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

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With AI the bandwidth problem is gone

How? Will the drones jump on the internet and google what to blow up?

US drones used in ME and Somalia have a local pilot for take off and landing. When airborne a pilot in Las Vegas bunker takes over.
Drones are remote control by radiowaves.

AI will eventually remove the job of pilots.
AI don't need radiowaves for control which is a weakness they will be programmed for a specific job.
GPS or INS navigation can define area of operation.

They don't need google to figure out what to blow up.
Should be able to hit terrorists like Hamas who take uniforms off when IDF is close if they're carrying AK or RPG.
We have facial recognition optics it's possible to use that to detect if carrying some weapons

Self driving car technology can be used for land based AI armed military vehicles.
AI will eliminate the need for someone to drive them via radiowaves.

AI will remove need for radiowaves with a remote operator.
People will be fighting armed AI machines.

20 years ago i would have said no way today i think it's plausible with 5-20 years.

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Reply #10 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 9:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

AI wars are old hat. The first one was Operation Desert Storm way back in 1990. AIs played a crucial part in the planning stages of the conflict. They basically planned what was going to be hit and when it was to be hit by air attack. Humans had little input into the planning process. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

In 1993 a laptop with 386 processor 4mb ram with 250mb hard drive was considered impressive cost over $3k

Not talking about planning AI aircraft and vehicles will eventually replace humans on and above the battlefield.

Of course your mates will still rely on AKs RPGs and a hearty Allahu Akbar for guidance systems

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52080 Gender:	Re: AI in future wars Reply #11 - Feb 12^th, 2025 at 9:35pm Even A.I. goes to shyte when the solar flares and universal gamma rays hit.
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