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Reply #15 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 7:11pm
 
The Supreme Court has ruled that excluding Chinese Korean and Indian university applicants and allowing black and indeed white students with lower scores to be enrolled in university was illegal.

Actually with women now making up 65 % of American uni students. DEI would require letting young Men in with lower scores

The whole thing is nonsense

Imagine it is widely known a black neurosurgeon may have been hired based on skin colour

Now he may actually be the absolute best but all his life people will be wondering if he should be the one operating on their kid.
This is highly unfair and especially unfair if he actually there because he was the best

Merit is all that should matter
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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 7:41pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 7:11pm:
Merit is all that should matter


Tell that to the rapist.

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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 6:37pm:
It seems to me, the Right-Wingers just want the right to discriminate on the basis of sexuality/Race/gender/religion/etc.  They don't like the idea that they aren't any longer allowed to discriminate against people just based on the look of them.  Something most people don't agree with.  This will come back to haunt them, they will pay when people become fed up with being discriminated against.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So do you think that hiring purely on merit is to "discriminate on the basis of sexuality/Race/gender/religion/etc"?

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Reply #18 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 5:48pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:19pm:
I always thought it was about removing barriers, not lowering standards.

Yep. That's it.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:19pm:
... is the real problem simply that some people can’t accept the idea that anyone outside their demographic could possibly have merit?

Yep, that's it.



There are no barriers to merit.

None.


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Reply #19 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:29pm
 
You run a Merit Based system Period..

Or else you are forced to work with Mentally Ill Patients like this …  👇

im guessing a number of our forum members will think they are looking into a mirror when they see this …
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Reply #20 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:31pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:29pm:
You run a Merit Based system Period..


You mean like, say, Rupert Murdoch does?
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Reply #21 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:35pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:31pm:
SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:29pm:
You run a Merit Based system Period..


You mean like, say, Rupert Murdoch does?

Yeah, like that.

Who do YOU think Murdoch discriminates against despite their merit?

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Reply #22 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:44pm
 
Or like, say, Kerry Packer...
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Reply #23 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
Hi Mr Sad,
what about quotas for DEI people?

That causes the employers to reject many White people.
It's not fair and Trump is right -
employment should be based solely on merit.


See I've seen that said, but I can't see anything in the laws or policies that are mandating quotes, not for the public service or private sector.

Do you have any more info on that?

I like the idea of there being goal, but not solid mandates enforcing it.

At the end of the day, the best person for the job should be the one who gets it (or the person who lies the best, so is willing to go "the extra mile *wink*", the usual way people get employed) and there shouldn't be additional barriers put in from of any minorities etc buy quotas work against that.

But where are these quotas?
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Reply #24 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
That causes the employers to reject many White people.

DEI worked out pretty well for white women.
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Reply #25 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 9:26pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
Hi Mr Sad,
what about quotas for DEI people?

That causes the employers to reject many White people.
It's not fair and Trump is right -
employment should be based solely on merit.


See I've seen that said, but I can't see anything in the laws or policies that are mandating quotes, not for the public service or private sector.

Do you have any more info on that?

I like the idea of there being goal, but not solid mandates enforcing it.

At the end of the day, the best person for the job should be the one who gets it (or the person who lies the best, so is willing to go "the extra mile *wink*", the usual way people get employed) and there shouldn't be additional barriers put in from of any minorities etc buy quotas work against that.

But where are these quotas?


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Reply #26 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 11:02pm
 


Allowing political LEFTISTS to [erroneously] promote/elevate the virtue and the importance of having DEI programs,
happily avoids [removes] having to confront a much simpler and clearer question,
[regarding the promotion of 'equality' in 'our' society]......

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Do we [a majority] believe that it is the responsibility of a [just/fair] society,
to provide equality of opportunity, to all ?

Or do we [a majority] believe that it is the responsibility of a [just/fair] society to provide equality of outcomes [for all],
[no matter the merit or competence, of particular individuals] ?



Promoting DEI programs......avoids the clarity of such a choice.



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Re: Is it possible for genuine discussion about DEI?
Reply #27 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 12:08am
 
Not as long as the 'woke' New Neo-conservatives desperately hanging on by a fingernail to their ideology despite the rising tides of reason and fact, are asleep on the idea that all valid opinions count and that being open-minded and open-eared is better than hunkering down in the Fuhrerbunker waiting for the end.. hoping the ten SS blokes up top can hold off the Russian hordes....

You won't get the sheilas onboard - they've been paid off for forty years and more.... you won't get the 'people of colour' onboard - they've been paid off for thirty years or more... you won't get the Mussos onboard - they've been paid off since the Lebs started to invade in the 1970's.... you won't get the Kokonuts onboard - they've got colour and language on their side to get DEI ... you won't get the weirdoes onboard - they've also been paid off for decades now...

So who's left to get onboard?  WACMAMOFFs?  White Anglo-Celtic Multi-generational Australian Men Over Forty Five - the Newniggers??  I doubt they'll come to that party, either...... it being a dead rubber under the existing biased and one-sided 'rules' .....
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Re: Is it possible for genuine discussion about DEI?
Reply #28 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 7:41am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
Hi Mr Sad,
what about quotas for DEI people?


put up a quota



Still waiting for you to put up a quota goober ... chop chop
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Reply #29 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 8:01am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 7th, 2025 at 7:41am:
John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
Hi Mr Sad,
what about quotas for DEI people?


put up a quota



Still waiting for you to put up a quota goober ... chop chop


The Victorian police force lowered the number of push ups. Pull ups.the height of a fence that had to be cleared and the weight that needed to be carried until they achieved the quota of females they wanted.

That's a quota.

James Cook university had a quota of 2 aboriginal spots in their medical degree and lowered the entrance score to achieve this

That's a quota.

I don't have a problem with the latter but I do have a problem with the former.

But they are all quotas you dumb dumb
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