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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #45 - Yesterday at 8:56pm

Dnarever wrote Yesterday at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote Yesterday at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.

I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.

Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.

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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #46 - Yesterday at 9:27pm

Setanta wrote Yesterday at 8:56pm:

Dnarever wrote Yesterday at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote Yesterday at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.

I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.

Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.

People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53197 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #47 - Yesterday at 10:12pm Those are very racist suburbs.
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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #48 - Today at 8:06am

Dnarever wrote Yesterday at 9:27pm:

1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western Democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Austealia, I can't think of a single uniquely Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you? What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 44961	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #49 - Today at 9:31am You don't know any Muslims, do you, Soren? So, how do you know if they assimilate or not? You just have very biased MSM reports which you claim are incorrect in all other matters. Yes, some Muslims fail to assimilate but the majority do. Even Pauline Hansom agrees. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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