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Reply #30 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 5:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Over the last many places of employment I have been in there have peen people from all sorts of ethinc backgrounds and yet they have virtually all been Australian all fully accepted by everyone else in the workplace and socially. We virtually all currently have a multi cultural diet by preference. Our friends are culturally varied by background but consider themselves to be Australian.

Very far from a failure.

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

My home diet for instance includes. chineese foods like fried rice - sweet and sour, chineese soups, stir fries, Italian like spagetti bol / marinara, chicken parmigana, raviole - Pizza - veal scolopine and on. From South America Chirizo - Tacos - Empanadas etc, Indian - Tandori - Naan bread - Butter Chicken etc.

As a child in Australia not one of these were part of an Australian diet.

Slowly now, duckwit, slowly:

is not about folk dancing, interesting food, and free-flowing wine. Nor is it about experiments in living and the open-minded and sensitive quest for improved or alternative life-styles. … Rather, it is about the preservation of ‘ethnic integrity’, the reinforcement and imposition on the new-born of sets of traditions, beliefs, and values which include, as well as those which are noble and enlightened, some which are inhuman, grotesquely ignorant, racist, sexist and bigoted.

All you duckwits only ever blather about food and ignore caste systems, polygamy, jihad, violent opposition to free speech, jew and infidel hate, clannish cousin marriage, ethic separatusm and ghettoes, lack of English, ethic discrimination and ancient hatreds imored and maintaind and all the rest.

Why go to another country and recreate your ethnic identity and values as if you were back in the old country? Why not stay put? You can maintain your ethnic identity and values at home. Why go to a country if you don't like it enough to assimilate?

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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #31 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 5:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

It is a shame that he and you don't know or understand "Multiculturism", Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I do notice, idiotic cockwomble, that 'educated' though you imagine yourself to be, you are not offeing the korrekt understanding of multiculturalism. You only ever offer moronic tut tuts and eyerolling. Your limits.

I suppose FD should answer your question first, eh, idiotic troll?

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Reply #32 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

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Reply #33 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that only the Italians would eat. The derisive term spagetti eater was meant as an insult to an Italian, it wasn't something an Australian would ever do.

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Reply #34 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:42pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

How about ecanomic growth. Adding more idea and products, new types of imports and exports.

Improved cultural awarness - we understand different people better both in Australia and when travelling

Australians improved with discrimination - we have grown as a people.

Improved marketing accross various nationality sectors. Understand the people you sell to.

Improved communication with international partners and negotiations. Improved international partnerships.

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Reply #35 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.

What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family couldn't evolve passed overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.

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Reply #36 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:54pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.

What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.

The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship travel and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India

Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813. This dates successful Multiculturalism back to the 1800's it isn't a new process.

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Reply #37 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.

What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.

The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India

Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.

See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.

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Reply #39 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:11pm

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:09pm:

Pakistan-born Muslim Greens senator lashes out at ‘White people’ in racially charged rant

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When did she become a blonde?

https://www.harmreductionaustralia.org.au/mehreen-faruqi/

Racial and cultural appropriation?

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Reply #40 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:15pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.

What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.

The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India

Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.

See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.

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MuliCulti vs assimilation

I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.

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Reply #41 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:15pm:

I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.

Why not try to say something coherent and intelligent?

Give it a go, duck.

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Reply #42 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:15pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.

No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.

What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.

The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India

Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.

See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.

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MuliCulti vs assimilation

I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people/cultures assimilation will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea, it's division.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughter's love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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Reply #43 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:43pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.

I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.

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Reply #44 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:53pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people/cultures assimilation will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea, it's division.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughter's love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

I have been in about 5 workplaces with maybe 50 floor level employees of many different cultural groups.

Out of something like 250 staff with maybe 50% - 60% ethnic in orogin I have not found a single case where there was a nationality / culture issue, Around 100% performed as if integrated Australians.

I have seen issues in the 80's 90's with first gen arrivals particularly with competing ethnic groups where their nations were in conflict. This had nothing to do with multiculturism it was going to happen anyway.

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