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Reply #225 - May 1^st, 2025 at 1:34pm

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

The politics of colour plays out most vehemently within the Anglosphere, but they are not restricted to it.

Indic and Sino cultures, rife with millennia-long obsession with us/them conflicts, will refer to colour as a feature of 'otherness', although not primarily... it is eclipsed by far more significant features, such as language, caste, tribe, ethnicity, cultural, religious and economic factors.

Yes, there are non-racial differences, like class, religion, etc. These are cultural characteristics and can be changed or faked - viz my fair lady, prince and the pauper etc,etc.
Which does not mean that racial features do not exist or aren't readily tecognised.

My Fair Lady and Prince and the Pauper are fictions.

Ask the Anglo-English if they can detect the socio-economic, cultural, social status of other Anglo-English almost immediately on sight... and if not immediately on sight, then within a minute of conversation, regardless of the expertise of their act or their received pronunciation.

Some can even place them within a region, within a locality, within a street of the UK.

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Reply #226 - May 1^st, 2025 at 2:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

The politics of colour plays out most vehemently within the Anglosphere, but they are not restricted to it.

Indic and Sino cultures, rife with millennia-long obsession with us/them conflicts, will refer to colour as a feature of 'otherness', although not primarily... it is eclipsed by far more significant features, such as language, caste, tribe, ethnicity, cultural, religious and economic factors.

Yes, there are non-racial differences, like class, religion, etc. These are cultural characteristics and can be changed or faked - viz my fair lady, prince and the pauper etc,etc.
Which does not mean that racial features do not exist or aren't readily tecognised.

My Fair Lady and Prince and the Pauper are fictions.

Ask the Anglo-English if they can detect the socio-economic, cultural, social status of other Anglo-English almost immediately on sight... and if not immediately on sight, then within a minute of conversation, regardless of the expertise of their act or their received pronunciation.

Some can even place them within a region, within a locality, within a street of the UK.

I once worked with an Irish academic, she told me that in Northern Ireland it was possible to tell down to the street where someone lived because of the differences in accent and how words were pronounced. She used to work for the British Government but was from Eirie down south. She used to have to fly regularly to and from London on business and she recounted how she was invariably chosen for a spot strip search when boarding a flight. She believed it was simply the security services getting a quick thrill as she was a pretty young thing. She was relieved when she got a Post-Doc in Australia because she wasn't subjected to the same level of harassement she was in the UK. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #227 - May 1^st, 2025 at 2:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

The politics of colour plays out most vehemently within the Anglosphere, but they are not restricted to it.

Indic and Sino cultures, rife with millennia-long obsession with us/them conflicts, will refer to colour as a feature of 'otherness', although not primarily... it is eclipsed by far more significant features, such as language, caste, tribe, ethnicity, cultural, religious and economic factors.

Yes, there are non-racial differences, like class, religion, etc. These are cultural characteristics and can be changed or faked - viz my fair lady, prince and the pauper etc,etc.
Which does not mean that racial features do not exist or aren't readily tecognised.

My Fair Lady and Prince and the Pauper are fictions.

Ask the Anglo-English if they can detect the socio-economic, cultural, social status of other Anglo-English almost immediately on sight... and if not immediately on sight, then within a minute of conversation, regardless of the expertise of their act or their received pronunciation.

Some can even place them within a region, within a locality, within a street of the UK.

Well, the Anglo English are of the same race. What you are talking about -socio-economic, cultural, social status - are categories we recognise within any group even if they are racially pretty homogeneous, as in England, Scandinavia, Australia until fairly recently, and in Japan, Korea even now.
Still, you can tell a ruddy Scot from an English Rose.

As for fiction, it doesn't mean untrue or unrecognisable. Quite the opposite.

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Reply #228 - May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43455	Re: There are NO races Reply #229 - May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm: The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' . It is not an obsession. In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #230 - May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #231 - May 1^st, 2025 at 7:53pm

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Still avoiding the question, Soren? So much for being a superior man, hey? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. A PhD? Yeah, sure... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #232 - May 1^st, 2025 at 8:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Still avoiding the question, Soren? So much for being a superior man, hey? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. A PhD? Yeah, sure... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'll answer your question when FD answers yours.

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Reply #233 - May 1^st, 2025 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Still avoiding the question, Soren? So much for being a superior man, hey? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. A PhD? Yeah, sure... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'll answer your question when FD answers yours.

So, I can go to sleep then? How wonderful. What a disappointment you have proved to be with your declarations of superiority. What a WOFTAM you have proved to be, hey, Soren? Never worn a baggy green skin, never done anything for your adopted home? What use are you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #234 - May 1^st, 2025 at 9:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Still avoiding the question, Soren? So much for being a superior man, hey? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. A PhD? Yeah, sure... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'll answer your question when FD answers yours.

So, I can go to sleep then? How wonderful. What a disappointment you have proved to be with your declarations of superiority. What a WOFTAM you have proved to be, hey, Soren? Never worn a baggy green skin, never done anything for your adopted home? What use are you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well, you say you have worn the baggy green but you are still a useless, no idea, no articulation, preening, vain, lying dishonest moron.

So there's that....

As for Africans and crime....

https://x.com/NadjiaFoxx/status/1917797089624391930

This is the African answer. What is the correct answer?? Roll Eyes

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Reply #235 - May 1^st, 2025 at 10:23pm

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 9:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

In your case it is, Soren. You have a twin? Really? What is their views on "Race"? Is it different to yours? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Still avoiding the question, Soren? So much for being a superior man, hey? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. A PhD? Yeah, sure... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'll answer your question when FD answers yours.

So, I can go to sleep then? How wonderful. What a disappointment you have proved to be with your declarations of superiority. What a WOFTAM you have proved to be, hey, Soren? Never worn a baggy green skin, never done anything for your adopted home? What use are you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well, you say you have worn the baggy green but you are still a useless, no idea, no articulation, preening, vain, lying dishonest moron.

So there's that....

As for Africans and crime....

https://x.com/NadjiaFoxx/status/1917797089624391930

This is the African answer. What is the correct answer?? Roll Eyes

Not to look for blatant examples of "Racism" which is an outdated social construction which you continually champion, Soren. What a WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #236 - May 2^nd, 2025 at 8:50am

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

You're conflating the capacity to distinguish between self and other objects with the recoil from danger and threat triggered by the 'otherness' of outgroup people.

I'm guessing your twin is an ingroup person in your milieu, so recoil would not be triggered.

We are all hard-wired to recognise ingroup and outgroup people even before we are aware of it via a nerve-link directly from the optic nerves to the amygdala.

It becomes obsessive in some when their higher-brain functioning does not moderate, interrupt or cancel the initial recoil reaction.

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Reply #237 - May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:24am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

You're conflating the capacity to distinguish between self and other objects with the recoil from danger and threat triggered by the 'otherness' of outgroup people.

I'm guessing your twin is an ingroup person in your milieu, so recoil would not be triggered.

We are all hard-wired to recognise ingroup and outgroup people even before we are aware of it via a nerve-link directly from the optic nerves to the amygdala.

It becomes obsessive in some when their higher-brain functioning does not moderate, interrupt or cancel the initial recoil reaction.

Recognising the otherness of another body is not to 'recoil'. You are polarizing unnecessarily.

The otherness of a twin is just an illustration that even a body that is almost exactly the same in its physiology and physiognomy as the self is recognised as other. There is no 'trigger'. Just recognition of the obvious. The point I am making is that the 'Othering' is often grossly overstated. To recognise another body as another body is so natural and inevitable that it scarcely needs stating. To frame that natural and unavoidable recognition into 'triggered to recoil from the Othering' is framing the issue in a grotesquely overstated manner. Of course another body is another body. There is no recoiling being triggered.

In group and out group is constantly shifting depending on context of the grouping, classification. This is scarcely remarkable, either.
Zoological classification can be Linnean or it can be in as in the Chinese Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge.

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Reply #238 - May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:00am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

You're conflating the capacity to distinguish between self and other objects with the recoil from danger and threat triggered by the 'otherness' of outgroup people.

I'm guessing your twin is an ingroup person in your milieu, so recoil would not be triggered.

We are all hard-wired to recognise ingroup and outgroup people even before we are aware of it via a nerve-link directly from the optic nerves to the amygdala.

It becomes obsessive in some when their higher-brain functioning does not moderate, interrupt or cancel the initial recoil reaction.

Gee, sounds just like Soren, he reacts on pure instinct despite claiming superiority. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #239 - May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:02am

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 4:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

The recognition of another body as 'other' is inevitable for the embodied self. Even my twin is 'other' .

It is not an obsession.

You're conflating the capacity to distinguish between self and other objects with the recoil from danger and threat triggered by the 'otherness' of outgroup people.

I'm guessing your twin is an ingroup person in your milieu, so recoil would not be triggered.

We are all hard-wired to recognise ingroup and outgroup people even before we are aware of it via a nerve-link directly from the optic nerves to the amygdala.

It becomes obsessive in some when their higher-brain functioning does not moderate, interrupt or cancel the initial recoil reaction.

Recognising the otherness of another body is not to 'recoil'. You are polarizing unnecessarily.

The otherness of a twin is just an illustration that even a body that is almost exactly the same in its physiology and physiognomy as the self is recognised as other. There is no 'trigger'. Just recognition of the obvious. The point I am making is that the 'Othering' is often grossly overstated. To recognise another body as another body is so natural and inevitable that it scarcely needs stating. To frame that natural and unavoidable recognition into 'triggered to recoil from the Othering' is framing the issue in a grotesquely overstated manner. Of course another body is another body. There is no recoiling being triggered.

In group and out group is constantly shifting depending on context of the grouping, classification. This is scarcely remarkable, either.
Zoological classification can be Linnean or it can be in as in the Chinese Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge.

And yet DNA tells us that this instinctive reaction is immaterial. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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