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Reply #210 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 10:05pm  
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Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:04pm:
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Seems you are admitting defeat, finally, aye, Soren?  About time.  "Racism" is a social construction and should be acknowledged as such.  DNA has proved that we are all related and so we should be treated as such by one another, rather than with the hatred you proffer.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Racial characteristics of physiology are passed on through DNA. They are genetic. Inherited.


How significant are they though?  What?  Not at all, really, they do not prevent the various "Races" from interbreeding, they are really just superficial, they don't effect intelligence or anything, really.  So, what is their significance?  Well, I have said this many times before, they are just superficial adaptations to local environmental conditions.  Funny that, hey, Soren?  What are your superficial adaptations?  White skin, longer nasal passages, red hair perhaps, who knows, it isn't intelligence, now is it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Their significance is that they are transmitted genetically. Through DNA.

You entire 'argument' that racial characteristics are not transmitted through DNA is ignorant, Bbwiyawnesque bollocks.

You are a militantly ignorant moron, Bbwiyawn.

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Reply #211 - Apr 30th, 2025 at 11:56pm  
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:48pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:59pm:
Seems you are admitting defeat, finally, aye, Soren?  About time.  "Racism" is a social construction and should be acknowledged as such.  DNA has proved that we are all related and so we should be treated as such by one another, rather than with the hatred you proffer.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Racial characteristics of physiology are passed on through DNA. They are genetic. Inherited.


How significant are they though?  What?  Not at all, really, they do not prevent the various "Races" from interbreeding, they are really just superficial, they don't effect intelligence or anything, really.  So, what is their significance?  Well, I have said this many times before, they are just superficial adaptations to local environmental conditions.  Funny that, hey, Soren?  What are your superficial adaptations?  White skin, longer nasal passages, red hair perhaps, who knows, it isn't intelligence, now is it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Their significance is that they are transmitted genetically. Through DNA.

You entire 'argument' that racial characteristics are not transmitted through DNA is ignorant, Bbwiyawnesque bollocks.

You are a militantly ignorant moron, Bbwiyawn.


If I am a, "militantly ignorant moron", Soren why am I am able to better you in every debate we go into?  All you can reply with usually is ad huminem insults.   For a supposed PhD holder you seem signally ignorant of most things.  Perhaps they didn't teach all that much at the University of Balogny, except of course how to insult people who are more intelligent than you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #212 - May 1st, 2025 at 10:50am  
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 11:56pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:48pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:59pm:
Seems you are admitting defeat, finally, aye, Soren?  About time.  "Racism" is a social construction and should be acknowledged as such.  DNA has proved that we are all related and so we should be treated as such by one another, rather than with the hatred you proffer.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Racial characteristics of physiology are passed on through DNA. They are genetic. Inherited.


How significant are they though?  What?  Not at all, really, they do not prevent the various "Races" from interbreeding, they are really just superficial, they don't effect intelligence or anything, really.  So, what is their significance?  Well, I have said this many times before, they are just superficial adaptations to local environmental conditions.  Funny that, hey, Soren?  What are your superficial adaptations?  White skin, longer nasal passages, red hair perhaps, who knows, it isn't intelligence, now is it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Their significance is that they are transmitted genetically. Through DNA.

You entire 'argument' that racial characteristics are not transmitted through DNA is ignorant, Bbwiyawnesque bollocks.

You are a militantly ignorant moron, Bbwiyawn.


If I am a, "militantly ignorant moron", Soren why am I am able to better you in every debate we go into?  All you can reply with usually is ad huminem insults.   For a supposed PhD holder you seem signally ignorant of most things.  Perhaps they didn't teach all that much at the University of Balogny, except of course how to insult people who are more intelligent than you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #213 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:10am  
It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.
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Reply #214 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:39am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:10am:
It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

And the Chinese and the Indians and the Persians and Europeans and Latin Americans. Even Africans can tell each other apart, since an Ethiopian doesn't look like a Zulu. Memorably, even Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994, just by looking at each other.


It is not an 'obsession'. It is an obvious physiological, instantly registered feature. It is so obvious to everyone that it hardly needs saying.

What people read into it, attribute to it as an indicator of personal quality, is the stuff of anthropology, sociology, politics, ethics - in a word, culture. But the phenomenon, the visual markers and differences are obvious to even the most cursory glance, and to everyone across the world.

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Reply #215 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:52am  
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:39am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:10am:
It seems to be a feature of the Anglosphere to obsess over colour as the primary, if not the only, feature of 'race' in terms of 'other' conflict.

Anyone who has known or has experience with tribal peoples' politics quickly learns that skin colour is the least relevant feature of 'other' conflict.

And even a cursory comprehension of local, regional and international wars will confirm that.

And the Chinese and the Indians and the Persians and Europeans and Latin Americans. Even Africans can tell each other apart, since an Ethiopian doesn't look like a Zulu. Memorably, even Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994, just by looking at each other.


It is not an 'obsession'. It is an obvious, instantly noticed feature. It is so obvious to everyone that it hardly needs saying.

What people read into it, attribute to it as an indicator of personal quality, is the stuff of anthropology, sociology, politics, ethics.
But the phenomenon, the visual markers and differences are obvious to even the most cursory glance, and to everyone across the world.


Ethiopia (northern Africa) and southern Africa are a continent apart, and the likely entrenched, multi-generational animosity between ethnicities separated by so much distance is nil.

What African Americans who have moved to Africa are quickly disabused of is their obsession with colour... no point when everyone is the same colour.

But the politics of 'us' and 'them' play out just as vehemently as if it were a feature - in the form of tribal, religious, social, and/or socio-economic conflict.
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Reply #216 - May 1st, 2025 at 11:57am  
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:39am:
Memorably, even Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994, just by looking at each other.

Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994 by social, cultural, and tribal differences.

Historically, Hutu and Tutsi are two distinct ethnic groups in Rwanda and Burundi, but their differences are primarily social and cultural, with little genetic differentiation. While both groups speak Kinyarwanda and share Bantu origins, the dominant cultural roles and social structures have distinguished them. The Hutu were historically known as farmers, while the Tutsi were predominantly pastoralists, warriors, and aristocrats.
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Reply #217 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:05pm  
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 10:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 11:56pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 5:48pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 4:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 2:59pm:
Seems you are admitting defeat, finally, aye, Soren?  About time.  "Racism" is a social construction and should be acknowledged as such.  DNA has proved that we are all related and so we should be treated as such by one another, rather than with the hatred you proffer.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Racial characteristics of physiology are passed on through DNA. They are genetic. Inherited.


How significant are they though?  What?  Not at all, really, they do not prevent the various "Races" from interbreeding, they are really just superficial, they don't effect intelligence or anything, really.  So, what is their significance?  Well, I have said this many times before, they are just superficial adaptations to local environmental conditions.  Funny that, hey, Soren?  What are your superficial adaptations?  White skin, longer nasal passages, red hair perhaps, who knows, it isn't intelligence, now is it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Their significance is that they are transmitted genetically. Through DNA.

You entire 'argument' that racial characteristics are not transmitted through DNA is ignorant, Bbwiyawnesque bollocks.

You are a militantly ignorant moron, Bbwiyawn.


If I am a, "militantly ignorant moron", Soren why am I am able to better you in every debate we go into?  All you can reply with usually is ad huminem insults.   For a supposed PhD holder you seem signally ignorant of most things.  Perhaps they didn't teach all that much at the University of Balogny, except of course how to insult people who are more intelligent than you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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As predicted, more ad huminem insults from you.  You're showing how you earned your PhD, Soren.  What a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #218 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:11pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:57am:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:39am:
Memorably, even Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994, just by looking at each other.

Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994 by social, cultural, and tribal differences.

Historically, Hutu and Tutsi are two distinct ethnic groups in Rwanda and Burundi, but their differences are primarily social and cultural, with little genetic differentiation. While both groups speak Kinyarwanda and share Bantu origins, the dominant cultural roles and social structures have distinguished them. The Hutu were historically known as farmers, while the Tutsi were predominantly pastoralists, warriors, and aristocrats.


As usual, Soren, projects his Racism unto others, in the mistaken belief that he is right and everybody else is wrong.  The reality is that the Hutu and Tutsi disliked each other because of primarily class, not a perceived difference of "Race".  What a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #219 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:20pm  
The politics of colour plays out most vehemently within the Anglosphere, but they are not restricted to it.

Indic and Sino cultures, rife with millennia-long obsession with us/them conflicts, will refer to colour as a feature of 'otherness', although not primarily... it is eclipsed by far more significant features, such as language, caste, tribe, ethnicity, cultural, religious and economic factors.
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Reply #220 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:26pm  
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:11pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:57am:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 11:39am:
Memorably, even Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994, just by looking at each other.

Tutsis and Hutus could tell each other apart in 1994 by social, cultural, and tribal differences.

Historically, Hutu and Tutsi are two distinct ethnic groups in Rwanda and Burundi, but their differences are primarily social and cultural, with little genetic differentiation. While both groups speak Kinyarwanda and share Bantu origins, the dominant cultural roles and social structures have distinguished them. The Hutu were historically known as farmers, while the Tutsi were predominantly pastoralists, warriors, and aristocrats.


As usual, Soren, projects his Racism unto others, in the mistaken belief that he is right and everybody else is wrong.  The reality is that the Hutu and Tutsi disliked each other because of primarily class, not a perceived difference of "Race".  What a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And it's not like this information is hard to source.

Skin colour played no part in the Hutu/Tutsi conflict, as it seldom does with intra-African politics...
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Reply #221 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:34pm  
What is interesting within the Anglosphere (the US excluded) is how quickly colour becomes irrelevant where the non-Anglo descent person conforms to the cultural, language, religious, and societal norms of the Anglo majority, particularly when this conformity is from birth.

In Australia, this conformity is recognised primarily by accent.
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Reply #222 - May 1st, 2025 at 12:54pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:20pm:
The politics of colour plays out most vehemently within the Anglosphere, but they are not restricted to it.

Indic and Sino cultures, rife with millennia-long obsession with us/them conflicts, will refer to colour as a feature of 'otherness', although not primarily... it is eclipsed by far more significant features, such as language, caste, tribe, ethnicity, cultural, religious and economic factors.



Yes, there are non-racial differences, like class, religion, etc. These are cultural characteristics and can be changed or faked - viz my fair lady, prince and the pauper etc,etc.
Which does not mean that racial features do not exist or aren't readily tecognised.

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Reply #223 - May 1st, 2025 at 1:00pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:34pm:
What is interesting within the Anglosphere (the US excluded) is how quickly colour becomes irrelevant where the non-Anglo descent person conforms to the cultural, language, religious, and societal norms of the Anglo majority, particularly when this conformity is from birth.

In Australia, this conformity is recognised primarily by accent.

Anecdotally, I was reminded of this when in a pharmacy. An Anglo-Australian had an issue with a product and was served by someone of an African ethnicity. The exchange began with a degree of hostility from the Anglo, until the 'African' started talking... in a natural-born Australian accent... the demeanour of the Anglo completely changed, allowing for a more positive interaction.

Nick Giannopoulos, in interview, recounts very harsh memories of his life as a second-generation, Greek-speaking, Greek immigrant. However, 3rd and 4th generation Australians of Greek descent, when interviewed, were much more relaxed about their national identity as Australians and had little harsh experience of being 'othered'.
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Reply #224 - May 1st, 2025 at 1:29pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 1:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:34pm:
What is interesting within the Anglosphere (the US excluded) is how quickly colour becomes irrelevant where the non-Anglo descent person conforms to the cultural, language, religious, and societal norms of the Anglo majority, particularly when this conformity is from birth.

In Australia, this conformity is recognised primarily by accent.

Anecdotally, I was reminded of this when in a pharmacy. An Anglo-Australian had an issue with a product and was served by someone of an African ethnicity. The exchange began with a degree of hostility from the Anglo, until the 'African' started talking... in a natural-born Australian accent... the demeanour of the Anglo completely changed, allowing for a more positive interaction.

Nick Giannopoulos, in interview, recounts very harsh memories of his life as a second-generation, Greek-speaking, Greek immigrant. However, 3rd and 4th generation Australians of Greek descent, when interviewed, were much more relaxed about their national identity as Australians and had little harsh experience of being 'othered'.





A coloured South African colleague recalled a delay on the tarmac of Joburg airport due to some mechanical issue and her sense of anxiety about it - and then her huge relief as she saw a white mechanic coming to fix it.


Being a native speaker is significant but isn't decisive. Belonging - or not  has no single determinant for all occasions. In a simple service encounter it is important but in more complex relations it might not count for as much.
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