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Reply #30 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 5:23pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 3:52pm:

Yup. When the TomTom SatNav device shows I am doing 99kph the speedometer shows 104kph, quite a difference. (The HUD displays 106kph—set to 7kph above real speed for some reason.)

Speedos are unreliable! When you have brand new tyres inflated to the correct pressure the diameter of the wheel+tyre is greater than when tyres are worn out and keep a lower pressure. Use a satnav or HUD using satellites to measure your speed.

Bigger diameter of wheels = bigger distance covered per engine revolution.

Car makers cannot set the speedo to show your speed as slower than real speed, they must show correct or up to 10% below speed. Some are close to real speed and others are under, this is all due to regulations.

HUD is not made by a car maker.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3327 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Camera Cars abd the like Reply #31 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:54pm Just a thought, but how does flashing one’s lights tell anyone that there is a booze bus ahead and not a camera car?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 148913 Gender:	Re: Camera Cars abd the like Reply #32 - Dec 27^th, 2024 at 12:13am Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:54pm: Just a thought, but how does flashing one’s lights tell anyone that there is a booze bus ahead and not a camera car? Ask the fu c kwit who was flashing his lights.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3327 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Camera Cars abd the like Reply #33 - Dec 27^th, 2024 at 6:49am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 12:13am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:54pm: Just a thought, but how does flashing one’s lights tell anyone that there is a booze bus ahead and not a camera car? Ask the fu c kwit who was flashing his lights. Good point.
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Reply #34 - Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:50pm

I think I mentioned this before. I was driving along the highway at night. I saw a car ahead. I dipped my high beam lights. The other car dipped their high beam lights. Then they started flashing their lights at me to dip my lights. Of course, I could not go any lower than that other than to turn off my headlights. They just drive pass me with their high beam set back on just before they pass. I drive on another 100 metres, and then put my high beam back on. Either that other driver felt like a dumbarse, or did not care. Some head lights are really quite bright that it is confusing for other drivers.

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Reply #35 - Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

I think I mentioned this before. I was driving along the highway at night. I saw a car ahead. I dipped my high beam lights. The other car dipped their high beam lights. Then they started flashing their lights at me to dip my lights. Of course, I could not go any lower than that other than to turn off my headlights. They just drive pass me with their high beam set back on just before they pass. I drive on another 100 metres, and then put my high beam back on. Either that other driver felt like a dumbarse, or did not care. Some head lights are really quite bright that it is confusing for other drivers.

Could be the headlights are not properly positioned. If your headlights are not adjusted correctly they will appear to be too bright and cause other drivers to think you are on hi beam. I tow a caravan and have headlight adjustment to lower my lights when towing as the weight on the back pulls the vehicle down raising the light position. I'm not saying yours is but it could be a reason.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25130 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Camera Cars abd the like Reply #36 - Dec 27^th, 2024 at 2:26pm The headlights I got were brighter than what the car came with originally.
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Reply #37 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:46pm

I used to be employed as a mobile safety camera operator and know for sure that there were many times that drivers were alerted to my presence while I was conducting a session in the camera vehicle. It wasn't just flashing their headlights. I could see it on Facebook groups, which would alert drivers to the locations of camera vehicles. Did I care? Not a bit. Why? Because the places where the Police selected (yes, Police choose the locations, not the company contracted to run the camera vehicles or even the drivers themselves) for me to set up on a specific day and time and for a period of time were chosen because there had been enough instances of people speeding to warrant it, or the area was a known black spot with a high number of accidents. The sites aren't chosen willy-nilly. There's a long process involved in selecting them. So if drivers are warned of the presence of my camera vehicle and it makes them slow down in an area that has a track record for accidents, for example, then that's fine with me because it means there's less likelihood of another accident happening while I'm there.

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Reply #38 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:12pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:46pm:

I used to be employed as a mobile safety camera operator and know for sure that there were many times that drivers were alerted to my presence while I was conducting a session in the camera vehicle. It wasn't just flashing their headlights. I could see it on Facebook groups, which would alert drivers to the locations of camera vehicles. Did I care? Not a bit. Why? Because the places where the Police selected (yes, Police choose the locations, not the company contracted to run the camera vehicles or even the drivers themselves) for me to set up on a specific day and time and for a period of time were chosen because there had been enough instances of people speeding to warrant it, or the area was a known black spot with a high number of accidents. The sites aren't chosen willy-nilly. There's a long process involved in selecting them. So if drivers are warned of the presence of my camera vehicle and it makes them slow down in an area that has a track record for accidents, for example, then that's fine with me because it means there's less likelihood of another accident happening while I'm there.

I guessing your work would have played a part in changing the habits of some drivers.

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Reply #39 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:15pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:46pm:

I used to be employed as a mobile safety camera operator and know for sure that there were many times that drivers were alerted to my presence while I was conducting a session in the camera vehicle. It wasn't just flashing their headlights. I could see it on Facebook groups, which would alert drivers to the locations of camera vehicles. Did I care? Not a bit. Why? Because the places where the Police selected (yes, Police choose the locations, not the company contracted to run the camera vehicles or even the drivers themselves) for me to set up on a specific day and time and for a period of time were chosen because there had been enough instances of people speeding to warrant it, or the area was a known black spot with a high number of accidents. The sites aren't chosen willy-nilly. There's a long process involved in selecting them. So if drivers are warned of the presence of my camera vehicle and it makes them slow down in an area that has a track record for accidents, for example, then that's fine with me because it means there's less likelihood of another accident happening while I'm there.

I guessing your work would have played a part in changing the habits of some drivers.

I hope so - I like to think so, anyway. That's why I wish people would not demonise and in some cases, physically and verbally attack the people operating those camera vehicles. First of all, they're just doing a job and secondly, if you're not speeding and you are paying attention, what do you have to worry about? It's only "revenue raising" if you're speeding. Secondly, everyone I know who does that job is doing it because they want to make the roads safer.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4208 Gender:	Re: Camera Cars abd the like Reply #40 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:19pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:15pm: I hope so - I like to think so, anyway. You made the place safer and better.
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Reply #41 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:22pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 10:42pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 11:10pm:

They put signs out giving reasonable warning.
If you too thick in the head to understand that flashing lights isn’t going help and preferably these people shouldn’t be on road anyway?

Plenty of people seem too support a drunk, meth head, ice addict till they total there car and kill your son or daughter.
Only then do you preach a different tune?

The signs are tiny and.just near the camera and most speed limits are bull anyway, otherwise NSW wouldn’t have collected so much in speeding fines.

‘’ Mobile speed cameras have slapped NSW drivers with more fines and collected more money in 2021 than ever before, since the removal of warning signs.this, I believe, refers to the former easily seen large signs

Speeding fines skyrocketed throughout 2021 with the hidden cameras collecting a record $73.6 million, according to The Daily Telegraph.

Almost $40.4 million in fines were issued to drivers caught going less than 10km over the speed limit in the 12 months to December, a whopping 750 per cent more than in 2020

Only $14.8 million in fines were issued for the same offence over the five years leading up to 2021.’’

Revenue raising.

The town of Invarell in NSW is a case in point, one street, with houses on both sides and young children, is a 70 kph zone because it is a diversion for semi-trailers and heavy trucks to pass the main part of town, and just for laughs, the Gwydir Highway for approx a kilometre is flanked by mostly deserted parklands on one side and by the side fences of houses on the other, the speed limits is 50 kph, and a lucrative spot for a hidden camera.

No Government in NSW is going to post realistic speed limits, to much revenue would be lost.

There's only one instance in which it's "revenue raising", and that's when you're speeding. Easy way to stop revenue raising is by driving to the speed limit and the road conditions.

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Reply #42 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:15pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:46pm:

I used to be employed as a mobile safety camera operator and know for sure that there were many times that drivers were alerted to my presence while I was conducting a session in the camera vehicle. It wasn't just flashing their headlights. I could see it on Facebook groups, which would alert drivers to the locations of camera vehicles. Did I care? Not a bit. Why? Because the places where the Police selected (yes, Police choose the locations, not the company contracted to run the camera vehicles or even the drivers themselves) for me to set up on a specific day and time and for a period of time were chosen because there had been enough instances of people speeding to warrant it, or the area was a known black spot with a high number of accidents. The sites aren't chosen willy-nilly. There's a long process involved in selecting them. So if drivers are warned of the presence of my camera vehicle and it makes them slow down in an area that has a track record for accidents, for example, then that's fine with me because it means there's less likelihood of another accident happening while I'm there.

I guessing your work would have played a part in changing the habits of some drivers.

I hope so - I like to think so, anyway. That's why I wish people would not demonise and in some cases, physically and verbally attack the people operating those camera vehicles. First of all, they're just doing a job and secondly, if you're not speeding and you are paying attention, what do you have to worry about? It's only "revenue raising" if you're speeding. Secondly, everyone I know who does that job is doing it because they want to make the roads safer.

Indeed.

I have the utmost respect for camera operators.

And yes, if you don't want to contribute to so-called 'revenue raising', don't speed.

It's really not that hard.

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Reply #43 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 3:52pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 2:52pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 10:00am:

No. Never.

If drivers breaking the law are never caught, they'll never learn.

I saw some idiot just the other day flashing his lights to warn people about a booze bus.

Why on earth would anyone want drunk drivers to escape?

Indeed.

Some people will never learn.

My aunt and I went to The Boat at Mindarie yesterday for a Christmas do with some friends which started at 5pm.

Took me about 45 minutes to get there driving up the freeway to Neerabup Road then across to Mindarie and all the way up there I saw lots of speeding drivers overtaking us (we were doing the 100 limit) despite numerous messages on those overhead information signs every few km. warning of double demerit points over Christmas and the New Year.

Not to mention the numerous "weaving warriors" changing lanes every few seconds to get in front of everyone else (despite the fact that the freeway wasn't particularly busy at the time).

Idiots.

Good chance you were only doing 90-95kmh, speedo's on cars are always under the real speed and some drivers who use real time speeds will be going faster than you.

Yup. When the TomTom SatNav device shows I am doing 99kph the speedometer shows 104kph, quite a difference. (The HUD displays 106kph—set to 7kph above real speed for some reason.)

Speedos are unreliable! When you have brand new tyres inflated to the correct pressure the diameter of the wheel+tyre is greater than when tyres are worn out and keep a lower pressure. Use a satnav or HUD using satellites to measure your speed.

Bigger diameter of wheels = bigger distance covered per engine revolution.

All car speedometers (except for Police) are "calibrated" so that, generally speaking, if your speedometer shows you doing 100km/h then your actual speed as shown on a LIDAR unit might show 95km/h. It's usually 4-5km/h or so. Why? Because over time your tyres will come to have less tread, changing the tyre radius and therefore altering the speed shown on your speedometer. It's also because not everyone will keep their tyres inflated to the proper pressure reading (e.g. 35psi). This is why it's very important and highly recommended that you do not change the size of wheel fitted from the factory, as it will alter the speed shown. The reason car speedometers are calibrated is to provide drivers with an allowance to take into account these and other factors. It's a way of giving you a chance NOT to get caught speeding. Add to this the fact that, unlike fixed speed cameras, mobile speed camera systems have a speed allowance built in before you get your picture taken, and anyone caught speeding by a speed camera is very deserving of that penalty notice. I know this because I used to be a mobile safety camera operator.

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Reply #44 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:15pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:46pm:

I used to be employed as a mobile safety camera operator and know for sure that there were many times that drivers were alerted to my presence while I was conducting a session in the camera vehicle. It wasn't just flashing their headlights. I could see it on Facebook groups, which would alert drivers to the locations of camera vehicles. Did I care? Not a bit. Why? Because the places where the Police selected (yes, Police choose the locations, not the company contracted to run the camera vehicles or even the drivers themselves) for me to set up on a specific day and time and for a period of time were chosen because there had been enough instances of people speeding to warrant it, or the area was a known black spot with a high number of accidents. The sites aren't chosen willy-nilly. There's a long process involved in selecting them. So if drivers are warned of the presence of my camera vehicle and it makes them slow down in an area that has a track record for accidents, for example, then that's fine with me because it means there's less likelihood of another accident happening while I'm there.

I guessing your work would have played a part in changing the habits of some drivers.

I hope so - I like to think so, anyway. That's why I wish people would not demonise and in some cases, physically and verbally attack the people operating those camera vehicles. First of all, they're just doing a job and secondly, if you're not speeding and you are paying attention, what do you have to worry about? It's only "revenue raising" if you're speeding. Secondly, everyone I know who does that job is doing it because they want to make the roads safer.

Indeed.

I have the utmost respect for camera operators.

And yes, if you don't want to contribute to so-called 'revenue raising', don't speed.

It's really not that hard.

Exactly, and I get it - on a long trip you might look down and you're doing 102km/h and then you look down again a few minutes later on a slight downhill slope and you're doing 107km/h. No one is perfect and no one can drive right on the speed limit 100% of the time - at least no one I know and certainly not me. A speed camera will not take this into account. However, the Police do have the power to exercise discretion (unlike fixed or mobile speed cameras) to choose whether or not to stop you and this is why they generally follow you for a while before deciding to pull you over - unless you're driving well over the speed limit, of course.

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