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Dec 21st, 2024 at 7:47pm
 
“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar




‘Deep Slander, Defamation’ – Ireland Hits Back at Israel’s ‘Antisemitism’ Claim

President Michael D Higgins says accusations of anti-Semitism are ‘gross defamation’


Ireland’s intervention in the genocide case against Israel in the International Criminal Court was the latest in a series of “steps, initiatives, statements” that have caused the Israeli government to regard Ireland as “the most extreme country against Israel internationally” and to close its embassy in Dublin, the Israeli ambassador Dana Erlich has said.

Her comments come as President Michael D Higgins hit back at claims from Israel that Ireland’s position was motivated by anti-Semitism as “gross defamation”.

In an interview with The Irish Times, Ms Erlich also said that concern in Jerusalem about the Occupied Territories Bill was a “big factor” in the decision to close the embassy. The Bill is regarded by friends and critics of Israel as a significant step in isolating the country and is likely to be reintroduced by the next government.


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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 1:56pm
 
The Irish have always been pro-terrorist Palestine.
They see Israel as England.
Their anti English bias is based on them being the oppressed poor v rich English.

What's never mentioned, is the Irish CHOICE of using politics to empower the poor only. That is, tall poppy syndrome. No-one in politics is allowed to be rich. They choose to be politically poor. What they can't figure out is how to be a rich nation beyond politics.
As Germany said of Ireland. How can any European nation take an island of professional drunks seriously?

So Ireland is its own worst enemy, like Palestine. Blaming a richer neighbour for its own problem.

Irish are indeed politically stupid.
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 2:02pm
 
Australians who identify with their Irish ancestry here also whinge and whine against England. Blaming them for their misery and poverty.
Hence why we have seen numerous Anti English Anti British attempts of making Australia an Irish cliche Republic.
They want all Australians to be politically impoverished and terrorists.
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 8:08pm
 
13% Irish.... 10% Ashkenazi Jewish .... I'm conflicted.
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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:03pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 1:56pm:
The Irish have always been pro-terrorist Palestine.
They see Israel as England.
Their anti English bias is based on them being the oppressed poor v rich English.

What's never mentioned, is the Irish CHOICE of using politics to empower the poor only. That is, tall poppy syndrome. No-one in politics is allowed to be rich. They choose to be politically poor. What they can't figure out is how to be a rich nation beyond politics.
As Germany said of Ireland. How can any European nation take an island of professional drunks seriously?

So Ireland is its own worst enemy, like Palestine. Blaming a richer neighbour for its own problem.

Irish are indeed politically stupid.



And there we see the ugly face of colonialism.
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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:10pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 8:08pm:
13% Irish.... 10% Ashkenazi Jewish .... I'm conflicted.


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waggawoody wrote on Dec 21st, 2024 at 7:47pm:
“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar




‘Deep Slander, Defamation’ – Ireland Hits Back at Israel’s ‘Antisemitism’ Claim

President Michael D Higgins says accusations of anti-Semitism are ‘gross defamation’


Ireland’s intervention in the genocide case against Israel in the International Criminal Court was the latest in a series of “steps, initiatives, statements” that have caused the Israeli government to regard Ireland as “the most extreme country against Israel internationally” and to close its embassy in Dublin, the Israeli ambassador Dana Erlich has said.

Her comments come as President Michael D Higgins hit back at claims from Israel that Ireland’s position was motivated by anti-Semitism as “gross defamation”.

In an interview with The Irish Times, Ms Erlich also said that concern in Jerusalem about the Occupied Territories Bill was a “big factor” in the decision to close the embassy. The Bill is regarded by friends and critics of Israel as a significant step in isolating the country and is likely to be reintroduced by the next government.


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https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/12/17/ireland-is-extreme-against-israel...



Indigenous lore shares common cause with Israel’s struggle


As an Aboriginal woman, I understand that profound connection between people and land. Aboriginal Australians have maintained this bond for over 60,000 years, despite displacement and colonisation. Similarly, the Jewish connection to Israel spans more than 4000 years.

For those who question the Jewish connection to Israel, even the Koran – written over 600 years after Jesus – acknowledges the Jewish people’s divinely ordained link to the land. The term “Israel” appears in the Koran in reference to the Children of Israel (Bani Isra’il in Arabic) approximately 40 times across various chapters.

Israel did not suddenly emerge in 1948. For centuries, the region was under colonial rule of the Ottoman empire. After World War I, the British mandate ended, and the United Nations voted for a two-state solution: one Arab state and one Jewish state. Israel’s legitimacy is historically, legally and spiritually grounded.

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Reply #9 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
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“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar


[When I see this type of talk it says to me,
This is what happened in the past and we are going to make the same mistakes again.]

Its like listening to a drunk going on about his wife leaving him and taking the house and the kids. Get over it and be positive about having a better life, yeah that happened, we all have something to cry about. Palestinians could make a lot better decisions that would solve a lot of their problems they could instantly save lives by releasing the hostages and laying down their weapons, thats all they have to do.

If you are going to say why should they, my response would be is it a worse option.

I'm not supporting Israel or Palestine, I just think Palestine made a grave mistake.

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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
... the British mandate ended, and the United Nations voted for a two-state solution: one Arab state and one Jewish state. Israel’s legitimacy is historically, legally...



Frank, I've lost count of the number of times I've had to correct you!

Why do you keep coming out with the same old Zionist propaganda?

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Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine.

The Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question was established by the General Assembly shortly after the issuance of the UNSCOP report in order to continue to study the problem and make recommendations. It found that “the General Assembly is not competent to recommend, still less to enforce, any solution other than the recognition of the independence of Palestine, and that the settlement of the future government of Palestine is a matter solely for the people of Palestine.”

It concluded further that the partition plan was “contrary to the principles of the Charter, and the United Nations have no power to give effect to it.” The U.N. could not

deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country…. The United Nations Organization has no power to create a new State. Such a decision can only be taken by the free will of the people of the territories in question. That condition is not fulfilled in the case of the majority proposal, as it involves the establishment of a Jewish State in complete disregard of the wishes and interests of the Arabs of Palestine.


The partition plan put forth by UNSCOP sought to create within Palestine a Jewish state contrary to the express will of the majority of its inhabitants. Despite constituting only a third of the population and owning less than 7 percent of the land, it sought to grant to the Jews more than half of Palestine for purpose of creating that Jewish state. It would, in other words, take land from the Arabs and give it to the Jews. The inherent injustice of the partition plan stands in stark contrast to alternative plan proposed by the Arabs, of an independent state of Palestine in which the rights of the Jewish minority would be recognized and respected, and which would afford the Jewish population representation in a democratic government. The partition plan was blatantly prejudicial to the rights of the majority Arab population, and was premised on the rejection of their right to self-determination. This is all the more uncontroversial inasmuch as the UNSCOP report itself explicitly acknowledged that the proposal to create a Jewish state in Palestine was contrary to the principle of self-determination. The plan was also premised upon the erroneous assumption that the Arabs would simply acquiesce to having their land taken from them and voluntarily surrender their majority rights, including their right to self-determination.

U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 neither legally partitioned Palestine nor conferred upon the Zionist leadership any legal authority to unilaterally declare the existence of the Jewish state of Israel. It merely recommended that the UNSCOP partition plan be accepted and implemented by the concerned parties. Naturally, to have any weight of law, the plan, like any contract, would have to have been formally agreed upon by both parties, which it was not. Nor could the General Assembly have legally partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority for the creation of Israel to the Zionist leadership, as it simply had no such authority to confer. When the Security Council took up the matter referred to it by the General Assembly, it could come to no consensus on how to proceed with implementing the partition plan. It being apparent that the plan could not be implemented by peaceful means, the suggestion that it be implemented by force was rejected by members of the Security Council. The simple fact of the matter is that the plan was never implemented. Numerous delegates from member states, including the U.S., arrived at the conclusion that the plan was impracticable, and, furthermore, that the Security Council had no authority to implement such a plan except by mutual consent by concerned parties, which was absent in this case.

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel, by Jeremy R. Hammond


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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
and spiritually grounded.




The traditional account of Jewish history, as portrayed in Israeli textbooks and many other sources, generally follows a narrative that emphasises the ancient origin of the Jews, their historical connection to the land of Israel, and their survival through centuries of exile and persecution. The modern state of Israel stakes its legitimacy on the factual accuracy of this account. Developments in scholarly and scientific research over the past few decades have, however, shown every element of the traditional account to be false. These discoveries fatally undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel...

There is, in fact, no direct archaeological evidence or contemporary historical records to confirm the existence of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or the events associated with them as described in the Torah. In any case, the Torah was never intended to be simple record of history, in the modern sense, but is first and foremost a theological text. The stories of the Patriarchs reflect a theological perspective that sees Jewish history as beginning with a divine covenant and direct interaction with God. Such theological claims are, of course, outside the scope of historical analysis, and the stories of the Patriarchs must be seen as mythological expressions of the the values and beliefs of ancient Judahites rather than as reliable historical records.

Nor is there any historical evidence to corroborate the story of the Israelites’ enslavement in Egypt or that of the Exodus. Archaeologists have looked in vain for evidence of a large-scale migration of people from Egypt into Canaan at the time suggested by the biblical account. Nor is the story corroborated by Egyptian records, which are remarkably detailed and would certainly have mentioned the departure of a large number of slaves had it actually occurred, since this would have been a significant event. It is now widely accepted that the Exodus narrative is a theological or national myth that was invented no earlier than the sixth century BCE. As with the Patriarchs, the existence of Moses is not confirmed by contemporary historical evidence. The story of Moses and the reception of the Torah at Mount Sinai is seen by most modern scholars as a foundational myth rather than a historical event.


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And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:

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Following World War I and the fall of the Habsburg monarchy, Görz became Italian and was renamed Gorizia. The Slovenian inhabitants were forced to assimilate, ending the city's cultural diversity.

Things changed once again after the end of World War II. Most of the city remained Italian, but Josip Broz Tito, the prime minister of Yugoslavia, of which Slovenia was a part, didn't want to relinquish the historical location. He founded the city of Nova Gorica, or "new Gorizia," in the neighboring meadows. It was a planned city, modern and functional.

This cemented the border between Slovenian Nova Gorica and Italian Gorizia. Families were separated, land was redistributed and mistrust grew on both sides. The Cold War between East and West played out in a small city, with each side alleging the other was fascist or communist.

The border persisted for 16 years after Slovenia's independence from Yugoslavia. It was only after Slovenia joined the European Union in 2004 and the Schengen zone of free movement in 2007 that the two municipalities could work together to create a shared history. In 2025, the cities will serve as a joint European Capital of Culture.

In 2025, the European Capitals of Culture program will celebrate places that have overcome division and tumultuous times of transition. The cities are unique, innovative, diverse — worth a visit, in other words. And that is precisely the aim of the European Capitals of Culture program: supporting diversity but also the unity shared by cultures, thereby fostering a sense of European belonging.

The program was founded in 1985 in a push from Greek Culture Minister Melina Mercouri.
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A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.

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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.



You're a bloody joke.

Many times I've shown you how the Palestinians tried for peace. And what was your response? You went all quiet for a month or so but then came back sprouting the same nonsense propaganda again.

For the umpteenth time:

"In January 1976, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) offered to negotiate the terms of this "two-state" consensus. With Washington’s support, Israel refused the good-faith Palestinian proposal. Choosing expansion over peace, it has done so ever since...

"Critics dismiss the 1976 peace initiative, arguing that the fratricidal Lebanese civil war rendered Palestinian recognition of Israel unthinkable. Yet the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) discerned that Arafat was “willing and able” to deliver - the 1976 initiative was not an aberration, but began a deluge of Palestinian two-state proposals, in 1977, 1979, 1980 and 1982."

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Reply #15 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:00pm:
And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:


So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.
You convert to I-Slam- you are a real Muslim.

Nuts.

The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state in an area that has been previously conquered by Muslims. Even if it is a place called JEWdea.
As with apostasy, there is no leaving or reconsidering what Muslims have once conquered.
Muslims have no other claim to Israel but that they had conquered it. Might is right. No other Muslim claim to Israel.

But when Jewish might reconquers it, the Muslims squeel, kvetch and complain: "only WE are allowed to conquer!"

**** 'em, violent, unreasonable bastards.

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Reply #16 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:40pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:00pm:
And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:


So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.
You convert to Islam - you are a real Muslim.

Nuts.




The Islamic narrative is nuts.
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Reply #17 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:41pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:27pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.



You're a bloody joke.

Many times I've shown you how the Palestinians tried for peace. And what was your response? You went all quiet for a month or so but then came back sprouting the same nonsense propaganda again.

For the umpteenth time:

"In January 1976, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) offered to negotiate the terms of this "two-state" consensus. With Washington’s support, Israel refused the good-faith Palestinian proposal. Choosing expansion over peace, it has done so ever since...

"Critics dismiss the 1976 peace initiative, arguing that the fratricidal Lebanese civil war rendered Palestinian recognition of Israel unthinkable. Yet the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) discerned that Arafat was “willing and able” to deliver - the 1976 initiative was not an aberration, but began a deluge of Palestinian two-state proposals, in 1977, 1979, 1980 and 1982."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-negotiation-idea-always-f...

The Palestinians want to outbreed the Jews - right of return.

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Reply #18 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.


Where does he say that?

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The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state


A racist apartheid state, which came into being through the ethnic cleansing of the population -  NO.

Who would?

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Reply #19 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:13pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.


Where does he say that?

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The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state


A racist apartheid state, which came into being through the ethnic cleansing of the population -  NO.

Who would?


It is not an apartheid state and it has not come into being through ethnic cleansing.

Israel has 20% Arab population. Catholics, Greek and Russian orthodox as wel as Muslims are free to practice their religion.
The surrounding Arab countries have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any.  Christians are constantly h pounded and murdered.

Islam is an avowedly ethnic clensing creed.

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Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
It is not an apartheid state


You're full of crap.

Many times I've pointed out the existence of many laws that discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel. Racial discrimination is apartheid.

There are more than 60 laws in Israel that discriminate against non-Jews:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1704195763/21#21

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and it has not come into being through ethnic cleansing.


And I've shown how Israeli historian Ilan Pappe called it just that:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/566#566

Mr. Pappe is an Israeli Jew.

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Israel has 20% Arab population. Catholics, Greek and Russian orthodox as wel as Muslims are free to practice their religion.


Then why did Israeli disrupt the 2022 Easter celebrations in Jerusalem?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holy-fire-anti-christian-disgrace-in-jer...

Which came on top of similar police action to support the usual crowd of rampaging settlers and other Jewish extremists at the Ramadan services held by Palestinian Muslims at the al-Aqsa Mosque:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-did-israel-attack-al-aqsa-palestine-worsh...

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The surrounding Arab countries have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any. 


That's not true, as LTYC showed here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1711975975/18#18

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There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any. 


What's this then?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1711975975/18#18

How about you stop with all the Israeli hasbara!

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Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.

If you can't 'discriminate' between what's good and bad for you...
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Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

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Started by the Irish for the Irish:

The Celtic Football Club, commonly known as Celtic, is a professional football club in Glasgow, Scotland. The team competes in the Scottish Premiership, the top division of Scottish football. Celtic was founded as a charity for Irish immigrants in Glasgow by Brother Walfrid, a Marist Brother originally from County Sligo, Ireland. Walfrid's own suggestion of the name Celtic (pron. seltik) was intended to reflect the club's Irish and Scottish roots. Consequently, Celtic is strongly associated with Scotland's Irish Catholic community and have a significant number of supporters in Ireland and among members of the Irish diaspora elsewhere.

In 2002, former Rangers director, Hugh Adam, said Celtic were "the best-supported football club in North America" and that the club's "Irish connection" was a determinant factor in their popularity.

Celtic are one of only six clubs in the world to have won over 100 trophies, with 119 major honours as of 2024, the most of any European club.

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Shortly after the ’79 revolution, several Iranian Jews were accused of spying for Israel and executed. In an effort to stabilize relations with the Jewish community, the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, proclaimed: “We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless Zionists.” Nevertheless, 30,000 Jews left within months of the revolution.



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80,000 prior to 1979, now numbers between 5,000 and 8,000.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/40-years-after-iranian-revolu...

So the Persians - a converts to Islam - managed to keep 10% if a tiny Jewish population.
Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Yemen, etc, the Arabs, kept none.

No Jewish soldiers in their armies, no Jewish judges in their courts, no Jewish parliamentarians in their assemblies.

So tellembuggerem. I do not accept ANY of the Filistine propaganda.  I have been to the ME, I have seen it for myself. 


If the Muslims had any brains - not religious fanaticism - they would count their blessings that such a talented and dynamic people returned, claiming only such a tiny sliver but being able to transform the region into a powerhouse of advancement.  It takes idiots drunk on Allah and Mohammed to choose jihad against the returning goose of the golden egg.





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waggawoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


Well, the Filistines are a byword for idiots, have been for millenia.


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Well then - Ireland and Glasgow are welcome to them all from Gaza... I'm close to renouncing my Irish ancestry anyway...  Wink
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Billy Connelly's gag about the Jewish bloke in Ulster would not be far off the mark... this is where we're all headed:-

(roughly)...
Jewish bloke is walkin' home in Belfast...
A head slinks out of an alley:-
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"I'm Jewish!"
"Pass on."
A little further on another head:-
"Are you a Prod or a Cat'lic?"
"God be praised - I'm Jewish!"
"Pass on friend."
Yet another head pops out:-
"Are ye a Prod or a Cat'lic?"
"Jewish!"
"Ah - Allah is truly merciful!"


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Apparently being 'poorer' than your enemy is an emotional blackmail to be 'justified'.
Terrorism, like Piracy - is romanticised by the Hollywood Left.
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Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm:
Shortly after the ’79 revolution, several Iranian Jews were accused of spying for Israel and executed.


What do you think Israel would do if some Arab-Israelis were caught spying for Iran. Let them off with a slap on the wrist?

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In an effort to stabilize relations with the Jewish community, the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, proclaimed: “We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless Zionists.” Nevertheless, 30,000 Jews left within months of the revolution.


But many are still there:

‘Peaceful existence’: Jews in Iran freely observe their religion, communal leader says

BY GARY ROSENBLATT MARCH 5, 2021

(New York Jewish Week via JTA) — Contrary to a commonly held belief, Jews living in Iran find it easier to practice their religion today than they did prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, according to a longtime leader of the Jewish community in Tehran.

https://www.jta.org/2021/03/05/global/peaceful-existence-jews-in-iran-freely-obs...
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Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:23pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


Well, the Filistines are a byword for idiots, have been for millenia.




Not true, but even if it were, is that any reason to deny them basic human rights?


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Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm:
such a talented and dynamic people


'It is important to note that all the supposedly "Jewish characteristics"—by which I mean the traits which vulgar so-called intellectuals in the West attribute to "the Jews"—are modern characteristics, quite unknown during most of Jewish history, and appeared only when the totalitarian Jewish community began to lose its power. Take, for example, the famous Jewish sense of humor. Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew literature before the 19th century ... but humor and jokes are strictly forbidden by the Jewish religion—except, significantly, jokes against other religions. Satire against rabbis and leaders of the community was never internalized by Judaism, not even to a small extent, as it was in Latin Christianity. There were no Jewish comedies, just as there were no comedies in Sparta, and for a similar reason. Or take the love of learning. Except for a purely religious learning, which was itself in a debased and degenerate state, the Jews of Europe (and to a somewhat lesser extent also of the Arab countries) were dominated, before about 1780, by a supreme contempt and hate for all learning (excluding the Talmud and Jewish mysticism). Large parts of the Old Testament, all nonliturgical Hebrew poetry, most books on Jewish philosophy were not read and their very names were often anathematized. Study of all languages was strictly forbidden, as was the study of mathematics and science. Geography, history—even Jewish history—were completely unknown. The critical sense, which is supposedly so characteristic of Jews, was totally absent, and nothing was so forbidden, feared and therefore persecuted as the most modest innovation or the most innocent criticism.

'It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible." '

  - - Prof. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 2: Prejudice and Prevarication


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being able to transform the region into a powerhouse of advancement. 


Yeah sure...


"... Israel is ‘doing well’ because it is the leading trader in blood diamonds. Far from being surprising, Israel is also the fourth biggest weapon dealer on this planet. Clearly, blood diamonds and guns are proving to be a great match.

"As if this is not enough, Israel is also prosperous because, every so often, it is caught engaged in organ trafficking and organ harvesting.

"In short, Israel is doing better than other countries because it runs one of the dirtiest-non-ethical economies in the world. In spite of the Zionists' initial promise to bring about a civilised ethical Jew, Israel has, instead, managed to develop an outstanding level of institutional  dismissal of international law and  universal values. It operates as a safe haven for money made in some horrendous global criminal activities. And it employs one of the world’s strongest army to defend the wealth of just a few of the wealthiest Jews around."

https://gilad.online/writings/gilad-atzmon-israeli-economy-for-beginners.html



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waggawoody wrote on Feb 7th, 2025 at 10:20pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm:
such a talented and dynamic people


'It is important to note that all the supposedly "Jewish characteristics"—by which I mean the traits which vulgar so-called intellectuals in the West attribute to "the Jews"—are modern characteristics, quite unknown during most of Jewish history, and appeared only when the totalitarian Jewish community began to lose its power. Take, for example, the famous Jewish sense of humor. Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew literature before the 19th century ... but humor and jokes are strictly forbidden by the Jewish religion—except, significantly, jokes against other religions. Satire against rabbis and leaders of the community was never internalized by Judaism, not even to a small extent, as it was in Latin Christianity. There were no Jewish comedies, just as there were no comedies in Sparta, and for a similar reason. Or take the love of learning. Except for a purely religious learning, which was itself in a debased and degenerate state, the Jews of Europe (and to a somewhat lesser extent also of the Arab countries) were dominated, before about 1780, by a supreme contempt and hate for all learning (excluding the Talmud and Jewish mysticism). Large parts of the Old Testament, all nonliturgical Hebrew poetry, most books on Jewish philosophy were not read and their very names were often anathematized. Study of all languages was strictly forbidden, as was the study of mathematics and science. Geography, history—even Jewish history—were completely unknown. The critical sense, which is supposedly so characteristic of Jews, was totally absent, and nothing was so forbidden, feared and therefore persecuted as the most modest innovation or the most innocent criticism.

'It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible." '

  - - Prof. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 2: Prejudice and Prevarication


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being able to transform the region into a powerhouse of advancement. 


Yeah sure...


"... Israel is ‘doing well’ because it is the leading trader in blood diamonds. Far from being surprising, Israel is also the fourth biggest weapon dealer on this planet. Clearly, blood diamonds and guns are proving to be a great match.

"As if this is not enough, Israel is also prosperous because, every so often, it is caught engaged in organ trafficking and organ harvesting.

"In short, Israel is doing better than other countries because it runs one of the dirtiest-non-ethical economies in the world. In spite of the Zionists' initial promise to bring about a civilised ethical Jew, Israel has, instead, managed to develop an outstanding level of institutional  dismissal of international law and  universal values. It operates as a safe haven for money made in some horrendous global criminal activities. And it employs one of the world’s strongest army to defend the wealth of just a few of the wealthiest Jews around."

https://gilad.online/writings/gilad-atzmon-israeli-economy-for-beginners.html





Where did you learn all this Wombatwoody?.
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waggawoody wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 11:20pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:23pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


Well, the Filistines are a byword for idiots, have been for millenia.




Not true, but even if it were, is that any reason to deny them basic human rights?



Terrorism is not a basic human right.

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waggawoody wrote on Feb 7th, 2025 at 10:20pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm:
such a talented and dynamic people


'It is important to note that all the supposedly "Jewish characteristics"—by which I mean the traits which vulgar so-called intellectuals in the West attribute to "the Jews"—are modern characteristics, quite unknown during most of Jewish history, and appeared only when the totalitarian Jewish community began to lose its power. Take, for example, the famous Jewish sense of humor. Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew literature before the 19th century ... but humor and jokes are strictly forbidden by the Jewish religion—except, significantly, jokes against other religions. Satire against rabbis and leaders of the community was never internalized by Judaism, not even to a small extent, as it was in Latin Christianity. There were no Jewish comedies, just as there were no comedies in Sparta, and for a similar reason. Or take the love of learning. Except for a purely religious learning, which was itself in a debased and degenerate state, the Jews of Europe (and to a somewhat lesser extent also of the Arab countries) were dominated, before about 1780, by a supreme contempt and hate for all learning (excluding the Talmud and Jewish mysticism). Large parts of the Old Testament, all nonliturgical Hebrew poetry, most books on Jewish philosophy were not read and their very names were often anathematized. Study of all languages was strictly forbidden, as was the study of mathematics and science. Geography, history—even Jewish history—were completely unknown. The critical sense, which is supposedly so characteristic of Jews, was totally absent, and nothing was so forbidden, feared and therefore persecuted as the most modest innovation or the most innocent criticism.

'It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible." '

  - - Prof. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 2: Prejudice and Prevarication


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being able to transform the region into a powerhouse of advancement. 


Yeah sure...


"... Israel is ‘doing well’ because it is the leading trader in blood diamonds. Far from being surprising, Israel is also the fourth biggest weapon dealer on this planet. Clearly, blood diamonds and guns are proving to be a great match.

"As if this is not enough, Israel is also prosperous because, every so often, it is caught engaged in organ trafficking and organ harvesting.

"In short, Israel is doing better than other countries because it runs one of the dirtiest-non-ethical economies in the world. In spite of the Zionists' initial promise to bring about a civilised ethical Jew, Israel has, instead, managed to develop an outstanding level of institutional  dismissal of international law and  universal values. It operates as a safe haven for money made in some horrendous global criminal activities. And it employs one of the world’s strongest army to defend the wealth of just a few of the wealthiest Jews around."

https://gilad.online/writings/gilad-atzmon-israeli-economy-for-beginners.html




Jewish contribution to universal human betterment is incomparable in scale to ZERO Filistine contribution.
Oh, sorry. They contributed Edward Said. Who lived and worked in New York. And wasnt Muslim.

Other than him - zero.

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waggawoody wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:03pm:
Jasin wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 1:56pm:
The Irish have always been pro-terrorist Palestine.
They see Israel as England.
Their anti English bias is based on them being the oppressed poor v rich English.

What's never mentioned, is the Irish CHOICE of using politics to empower the poor only. That is, tall poppy syndrome. No-one in politics is allowed to be rich. They choose to be politically poor. What they can't figure out is how to be a rich nation beyond politics.
As Germany said of Ireland. How can any European nation take an island of professional drunks seriously?

So Ireland is its own worst enemy, like Palestine. Blaming a richer neighbour for its own problem.

Irish are indeed politically stupid.



And there we see the ugly face of colonialism.


Oh for Petes sake - not you too - you leftoid numbnuts.

Where would you be without colonialism?
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Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2025 at 7:48pm:
waggawoody wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 11:20pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:23pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


Well, the Filistines are a byword for idiots, have been for millenia.




Not true, but even if it were, is that any reason to deny them basic human rights?



Terrorism is not a basic human right.




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Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2025 at 7:51pm:
Jewish contribution to universal human betterment is incomparable in scale to ZERO Filistine contribution.
Oh, sorry. They contributed Edward Said. Who lived and worked in New York. And wasnt Muslim.

Other than him - zero.

Discuss.


Discuss?  I've proved you wrong so many times, then you go away and come back spouting the same nonsense. Like I said a few months ago, you're a bloody joke.  You never learn.

So here, one more time:

Judaism doesn't call for the betterment of the world; it calls for its enslavement and destruction. If you don't believe that read the Old Testament, or "Hebrew Bible." If you're naive enough to think that it's got no modern relevance then you need to explain what David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, meant when he said, "The Bible is our charter." And why Netanyahu invoked biblical incitements to genocide to justify the current war on Gaza.

This is from Prof. Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 5: The Laws Against Non-Jews:

'Biblical verses exhorting to genocide of the Midianites were solemnly quoted by an important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre, and this pronouncement has gained wide circulation in the Israeli army. There are many similar examples of bloodthirsty rabbinical pronouncements against the Palestinians, based on these laws...

'The study of the Halakhah (Jewish law), is regarded by Judaism as a supreme religious duty... Gentiles are compared to dogs, it is a sin to praise them...  It must be emphasized that the explanations quoted above do represent correctly the teaching of the Halakhah. The rabbis and, even worse, the apologetic "scholars of Judaism" know this very well and for this reason they do not try to argue against such views inside the Jewish community; and of course they never mention them outside it. Instead, they vilify any Jew who raises these matters within earshot of Gentiles, and they issue deceitful denials in which the art of equivocation reaches its summit. For example, they state, using general terms, the importance which Judaism attaches to mercy; but what they forget to point out is that according to the Halakhah "mercy" means mercy towards Jews.

'Anyone who lives in Israel knows how deep and widespread these attitudes of hatred and cruelty to all Gentiles are among the majority of Israeli Jews. Normally these attitudes are disguised from the outside world.'

And on the enslavement of non-Jews:

'In recent years the inhuman precepts according to which servitude is the "natural" lot of Gentiles have been publicly quoted in Israel, even on TV, by Jewish farmers exploiting Arab labor, particularly child labor. Gush Emunim leaders have quoted religious precepts which enjoin Jews to oppress Gentiles, as a justification of the attempted assassination of Palestinian mayors and as divine authority for their own plan to expel all the Arabs from Palestine.'

The Torah 'awards' around 3,000 Gentiles as slaves to each and every Jew.


And:

"In general, the peoples of the world will be divided into two main groups, the Israelitic and the non-Israelitic. The former will be righteous; they will live in accordance with the wishes of one, universal God. All the other peoples (non-Jews), on the other hand, will be known for their detestable practices, idolatry, and similar acts of wickedness. They will be destroyed and will disappear from earth before the ushering in of the ideal era. At the coming of the Messiah, when all righteous nations will pay homage to the ideal righteous leader, and offer gifts to him, the wicked and corrupt nations, by realizing the approach of their doom, will bring similar presents to the Messiah. Their gifts and pretended acknowledgment of the new era, will be bluntly rejected. Consequently, before the Kingdom of God will be established, a number of important reforms and changes will take place. Idolatry and idol worshippers, wicked people, unrighteous nations will disappear from the earth."

- Prof. Michael Higger, The Jewish Utopia


That part about idolatry and idol worshippers is a warning to Catholic and other Christian sects who worship saints, i.e., 'idols', not to mention other 'idol worshipping' religions like Buddhism, Hinduism etc. They will all be destroyed in the Jewish New World Order if they don't abandon their 'wicked' ways and agree to become slaves of the Jew.

Consider what these ancient Jewish incitements to genocide have wrought. Jews stole the land of the Palestinians and have been genociding them for almost a century. Jews aggressively invaded Lebanon several times and committed genocide against Lebanese. Zionists have infiltrated the USA and subverted its interests with a traitorous press and government under their control. This Jewish controlled press and government incited Americans to murder millions of Iraqis, and the killing continues.
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Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2025 at 7:51pm:
Jewish contribution to universal human betterment is incomparable in scale to ZERO Filistine contribution.
Oh, sorry. They contributed Edward Said. Who lived and worked in New York. And wasnt Muslim.

Other than him - zero.

Discuss.


I just said, Judaism doesn't call for the betterment of the world; it calls for its enslavement and destruction.

So, from Douglas Reed's The Controversy Of Zion; Chapter 17: The Destructive Mission:


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The study of hundreds of volumes, during many years, gradually brought realization that the essential truth of the story of Zion is all summed-up in Mr. Maurice Samuel's twenty-one words: "We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever . . . nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands".

At first hearing they sound vainglorious or neurotic, but increasing knowledge of the subject shows them to be honestly meant and carefully chosen. They mean that a man who is born a Jew and continues to be a Jew acquires a destructive mission which he cannot elude. If he deviates from this "Law" he is not a good Jew, in the eyes of the elders; if he wishes or is compelled to be a good Jew, he must conform to it.

This is the reason why the part played by those who directed "the Jews" in history was bound to be a destructive one; and in our generation of the Twentieth Century the destructive mission has attained its greatest force, with results which cannot even yet be fully foreseen.

This is not an opinion of the present writer. Zionist scribes, apostate rabbis and Gentile historians agree about the destructive purpose; it is not in dispute among serious students and is probably the only point on which agreement is unanimous.

All history is presented to the Jew in these terms: that destruction is the condition of the fulfillment of the Judaic Law and of the ultimate Jewish triumph...

The command, "destroy", forms the very basis of the Law. If it be deleted, what remains is not "the Mosaic Law", or the same religion, but something different; the imperative, "destroy", is the mark of identity. It must have been deliberately chosen. Many other words could have been used; for instance, conquer, defeat, vanquish, subdue; but destroy was chosen, It was put in the mouth of God, but obviously was the choice of the scribes.

It comes first at the very start of the story, being attributed directly to God in the original promise of the promised land: "I will . . . destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come". Even before that the first act of destruction has been imputed to God, in the form of the first "vengeance" on the heathen: "I will stretch out my hand and smite Egypt. . . I will smite all the first born in the land of Egypt . . . And Pharaoh's servants said unto him . . . knowest thou not yet that Egypt is destroyed?" (Exodus)

From that beginning the teaching, "destroy", runs through all The Law, first, and all the portrayal of historical events, next. The act of destruction is sometimes the subject of a bargain between God and the chosen people, on an "If" and "Then" basis; either God offers to destroy, or the chosen people ask him to destroy. In each case the act of destruction is depicted as something so meritorious that it demands a high equivalent service.


I've also shown you that too.

And I've shown you that, while Jewish society was 'a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible" ',  Muslims OTOH... oh well, I'll just quote the name of the exhibition which says it all, "How Islamic Inventors Changed the World" - yet another thing I showed you.

And on the Palestinians, when did they ever get a chance to excel? When the Ottoman Empire broke up after WWI the British moved in and denied them their rights and we all know what happened after that when the state of Israel was created - the oppression and brutal occupation of their land and denial of their rights greatly worsened, and continues to this day.

I said above "here, one more time" but why should I bother with you again?
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Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2025 at 12:14pm:
Where would you be without colonialism?


When someone says there is an ugly side to something then the clear implication is that there is another side which is not ugly.

The ugly side again:

"I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. I do not admit it. I do not think the Red Indians had any right to say, 'The American Continent belongs to us and we are not going to have any of these European settlers coming in here.' They had not the right, nor had they the power."

- Winston S. Churchill, to the Palestine Royal Commission (12 March 1937) on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine.


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Reply #42 - Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:54pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:32pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2025 at 7:51pm:
Jewish contribution to universal human betterment is incomparable in scale to ZERO Filistine contribution.
Oh, sorry. They contributed Edward Said. Who lived and worked in New York. And wasnt Muslim.

Other than him - zero.

Discuss.


Discuss?  I've proved you wrong so many times, then you go away and come back spouting the same nonsense. Like I said a few months ago, you're a bloody joke.  You never learn.

So here, one more time:

Judaism doesn't call for the betterment of the world; it calls for its enslavement and destruction. If you don't believe that read the Old Testament, or "Hebrew Bible." If you're naive enough to think that it's got no modern relevance then you need to explain what David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, meant when he said, "The Bible is our charter." And why Netanyahu invoked biblical incitements to genocide to justify the current war on Gaza.

This is from Prof. Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 5: The Laws Against Non-Jews:

'Biblical verses exhorting to genocide of the Midianites were solemnly quoted by an important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre, and this pronouncement has gained wide circulation in the Israeli army. There are many similar examples of bloodthirsty rabbinical pronouncements against the Palestinians, based on these laws...

'The study of the Halakhah (Jewish law), is regarded by Judaism as a supreme religious duty... Gentiles are compared to dogs, it is a sin to praise them...  It must be emphasized that the explanations quoted above do represent correctly the teaching of the Halakhah. The rabbis and, even worse, the apologetic "scholars of Judaism" know this very well and for this reason they do not try to argue against such views inside the Jewish community; and of course they never mention them outside it. Instead, they vilify any Jew who raises these matters within earshot of Gentiles, and they issue deceitful denials in which the art of equivocation reaches its summit. For example, they state, using general terms, the importance which Judaism attaches to mercy; but what they forget to point out is that according to the Halakhah "mercy" means mercy towards Jews.

'Anyone who lives in Israel knows how deep and widespread these attitudes of hatred and cruelty to all Gentiles are among the majority of Israeli Jews. Normally these attitudes are disguised from the outside world.'

And on the enslavement of non-Jews:

'In recent years the inhuman precepts according to which servitude is the "natural" lot of Gentiles have been publicly quoted in Israel, even on TV, by Jewish farmers exploiting Arab labor, particularly child labor. Gush Emunim leaders have quoted religious precepts which enjoin Jews to oppress Gentiles, as a justification of the attempted assassination of Palestinian mayors and as divine authority for their own plan to expel all the Arabs from Palestine.'

The Torah 'awards' around 3,000 Gentiles as slaves to each and every Jew.


And:

"In general, the peoples of the world will be divided into two main groups, the Israelitic and the non-Israelitic. The former will be righteous; they will live in accordance with the wishes of one, universal God. All the other peoples (non-Jews), on the other hand, will be known for their detestable practices, idolatry, and similar acts of wickedness. They will be destroyed and will disappear from earth before the ushering in of the ideal era. At the coming of the Messiah, when all righteous nations will pay homage to the ideal righteous leader, and offer gifts to him, the wicked and corrupt nations, by realizing the approach of their doom, will bring similar presents to the Messiah. Their gifts and pretended acknowledgment of the new era, will be bluntly rejected. Consequently, before the Kingdom of God will be established, a number of important reforms and changes will take place. Idolatry and idol worshippers, wicked people, unrighteous nations will disappear from the earth."

- Prof. Michael Higger, The Jewish Utopia


That part about idolatry and idol worshippers is a warning to Catholic and other Christian sects who worship saints, i.e., 'idols', not to mention other 'idol worshipping' religions like Buddhism, Hinduism etc. They will all be destroyed in the Jewish New World Order if they don't abandon their 'wicked' ways and agree to become slaves of the Jew.

Consider what these ancient Jewish incitements to genocide have wrought. Jews stole the land of the Palestinians and have been genociding them for almost a century. Jews aggressively invaded Lebanon several times and committed genocide against Lebanese. Zionists have infiltrated the USA and subverted its interests with a traitorous press and government under their control. This Jewish controlled press and government incited Americans to murder millions of Iraqis, and the killing continues.

You are thinking about these things like a blinkered Muslim.


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Reply #43 - Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:56pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2025 at 7:51pm:
Jewish contribution to universal human betterment is incomparable in scale to ZERO Filistine contribution.
Oh, sorry. They contributed Edward Said. Who lived and worked in New York. And wasnt Muslim.

Other than him - zero.

Discuss.


I just said, Judaism doesn't call for the betterment of the world; it calls for its enslavement and destruction.

So, from Douglas Reed's The Controversy Of Zion; Chapter 17: The Destructive Mission:


Quote:
The study of hundreds of volumes, during many years, gradually brought realization that the essential truth of the story of Zion is all summed-up in Mr. Maurice Samuel's twenty-one words: "We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever . . . nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands".

At first hearing they sound vainglorious or neurotic, but increasing knowledge of the subject shows them to be honestly meant and carefully chosen. They mean that a man who is born a Jew and continues to be a Jew acquires a destructive mission which he cannot elude. If he deviates from this "Law" he is not a good Jew, in the eyes of the elders; if he wishes or is compelled to be a good Jew, he must conform to it.

This is the reason why the part played by those who directed "the Jews" in history was bound to be a destructive one; and in our generation of the Twentieth Century the destructive mission has attained its greatest force, with results which cannot even yet be fully foreseen.

This is not an opinion of the present writer. Zionist scribes, apostate rabbis and Gentile historians agree about the destructive purpose; it is not in dispute among serious students and is probably the only point on which agreement is unanimous.

All history is presented to the Jew in these terms: that destruction is the condition of the fulfillment of the Judaic Law and of the ultimate Jewish triumph...

The command, "destroy", forms the very basis of the Law. If it be deleted, what remains is not "the Mosaic Law", or the same religion, but something different; the imperative, "destroy", is the mark of identity. It must have been deliberately chosen. Many other words could have been used; for instance, conquer, defeat, vanquish, subdue; but destroy was chosen, It was put in the mouth of God, but obviously was the choice of the scribes.

It comes first at the very start of the story, being attributed directly to God in the original promise of the promised land: "I will . . . destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come". Even before that the first act of destruction has been imputed to God, in the form of the first "vengeance" on the heathen: "I will stretch out my hand and smite Egypt. . . I will smite all the first born in the land of Egypt . . . And Pharaoh's servants said unto him . . . knowest thou not yet that Egypt is destroyed?" (Exodus)

From that beginning the teaching, "destroy", runs through all The Law, first, and all the portrayal of historical events, next. The act of destruction is sometimes the subject of a bargain between God and the chosen people, on an "If" and "Then" basis; either God offers to destroy, or the chosen people ask him to destroy. In each case the act of destruction is depicted as something so meritorious that it demands a high equivalent service.


I've also shown you that too.

And I've shown you that, while Jewish society was 'a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible" ',  Muslims OTOH... oh well, I'll just quote the name of the exhibition which says it all, "How Islamic Inventors Changed the World" - yet another thing I showed you.

And on the Palestinians, when did they ever get a chance to excel? When the Ottoman Empire broke up after WWI the British moved in and denied them their rights and we all know what happened after that when the state of Israel was created - the oppression and brutal occupation of their land and denial of their rights greatly worsened, and continues to this day.

I said above "here, one more time" but why should I bother with you again?



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Reply #44 - Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:59pm
 
waggawoody wrote on Feb 12th, 2025 at 7:35pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2025 at 12:14pm:
Where would you be without colonialism?


When someone says there is an ugly side to something then the clear implication is that there is another side which is not ugly.

The ugly side again:

"I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. I do not admit it. I do not think the Red Indians had any right to say, 'The American Continent belongs to us and we are not going to have any of these European settlers coming in here.' They had not the right, nor had they the power."

- Winston S. Churchill, to the Palestine Royal Commission (12 March 1937) on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine.





You can see why he got the Nobel Prize for literarure.

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