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Dec 21st, 2024 at 7:47pm
 
“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar




‘Deep Slander, Defamation’ – Ireland Hits Back at Israel’s ‘Antisemitism’ Claim

President Michael D Higgins says accusations of anti-Semitism are ‘gross defamation’


Ireland’s intervention in the genocide case against Israel in the International Criminal Court was the latest in a series of “steps, initiatives, statements” that have caused the Israeli government to regard Ireland as “the most extreme country against Israel internationally” and to close its embassy in Dublin, the Israeli ambassador Dana Erlich has said.

Her comments come as President Michael D Higgins hit back at claims from Israel that Ireland’s position was motivated by anti-Semitism as “gross defamation”.

In an interview with The Irish Times, Ms Erlich also said that concern in Jerusalem about the Occupied Territories Bill was a “big factor” in the decision to close the embassy. The Bill is regarded by friends and critics of Israel as a significant step in isolating the country and is likely to be reintroduced by the next government.


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Reply #1 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 12:28pm
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 1:56pm
 
The Irish have always been pro-terrorist Palestine.
They see Israel as England.
Their anti English bias is based on them being the oppressed poor v rich English.

What's never mentioned, is the Irish CHOICE of using politics to empower the poor only. That is, tall poppy syndrome. No-one in politics is allowed to be rich. They choose to be politically poor. What they can't figure out is how to be a rich nation beyond politics.
As Germany said of Ireland. How can any European nation take an island of professional drunks seriously?

So Ireland is its own worst enemy, like Palestine. Blaming a richer neighbour for its own problem.

Irish are indeed politically stupid.
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 2:02pm
 
Australians who identify with their Irish ancestry here also whinge and whine against England. Blaming them for their misery and poverty.
Hence why we have seen numerous Anti English Anti British attempts of making Australia an Irish cliche Republic.
They want all Australians to be politically impoverished and terrorists.
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2024 at 8:08pm
 
13% Irish.... 10% Ashkenazi Jewish .... I'm conflicted.
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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:03pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 1:56pm:
The Irish have always been pro-terrorist Palestine.
They see Israel as England.
Their anti English bias is based on them being the oppressed poor v rich English.

What's never mentioned, is the Irish CHOICE of using politics to empower the poor only. That is, tall poppy syndrome. No-one in politics is allowed to be rich. They choose to be politically poor. What they can't figure out is how to be a rich nation beyond politics.
As Germany said of Ireland. How can any European nation take an island of professional drunks seriously?

So Ireland is its own worst enemy, like Palestine. Blaming a richer neighbour for its own problem.

Irish are indeed politically stupid.



And there we see the ugly face of colonialism.
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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:10pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 8:08pm:
13% Irish.... 10% Ashkenazi Jewish .... I'm conflicted.


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Reply #8 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:24pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21st, 2024 at 7:47pm:
“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar




‘Deep Slander, Defamation’ – Ireland Hits Back at Israel’s ‘Antisemitism’ Claim

President Michael D Higgins says accusations of anti-Semitism are ‘gross defamation’


Ireland’s intervention in the genocide case against Israel in the International Criminal Court was the latest in a series of “steps, initiatives, statements” that have caused the Israeli government to regard Ireland as “the most extreme country against Israel internationally” and to close its embassy in Dublin, the Israeli ambassador Dana Erlich has said.

Her comments come as President Michael D Higgins hit back at claims from Israel that Ireland’s position was motivated by anti-Semitism as “gross defamation”.

In an interview with The Irish Times, Ms Erlich also said that concern in Jerusalem about the Occupied Territories Bill was a “big factor” in the decision to close the embassy. The Bill is regarded by friends and critics of Israel as a significant step in isolating the country and is likely to be reintroduced by the next government.


more here:

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/12/17/ireland-is-extreme-against-israel...



Indigenous lore shares common cause with Israel’s struggle


As an Aboriginal woman, I understand that profound connection between people and land. Aboriginal Australians have maintained this bond for over 60,000 years, despite displacement and colonisation. Similarly, the Jewish connection to Israel spans more than 4000 years.

For those who question the Jewish connection to Israel, even the Koran – written over 600 years after Jesus – acknowledges the Jewish people’s divinely ordained link to the land. The term “Israel” appears in the Koran in reference to the Children of Israel (Bani Isra’il in Arabic) approximately 40 times across various chapters.

Israel did not suddenly emerge in 1948. For centuries, the region was under colonial rule of the Ottoman empire. After World War I, the British mandate ended, and the United Nations voted for a two-state solution: one Arab state and one Jewish state. Israel’s legitimacy is historically, legally and spiritually grounded.

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Reply #9 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
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“When I travel around the world, leaders often ask me why the Irish sympathize with the Palestinian people. The answer is simple, we see our history in their eyes. Displacement, dispossession, lack of acceptance of their national identity, forced migration, discrimination and the story of hunger.”

   -- Former Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar


[When I see this type of talk it says to me,
This is what happened in the past and we are going to make the same mistakes again.]

Its like listening to a drunk going on about his wife leaving him and taking the house and the kids. Get over it and be positive about having a better life, yeah that happened, we all have something to cry about. Palestinians could make a lot better decisions that would solve a lot of their problems they could instantly save lives by releasing the hostages and laying down their weapons, thats all they have to do.

If you are going to say why should they, my response would be is it a worse option.

I'm not supporting Israel or Palestine, I just think Palestine made a grave mistake.

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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
... the British mandate ended, and the United Nations voted for a two-state solution: one Arab state and one Jewish state. Israel’s legitimacy is historically, legally...



Frank, I've lost count of the number of times I've had to correct you!

Why do you keep coming out with the same old Zionist propaganda?

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Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine.

The Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question was established by the General Assembly shortly after the issuance of the UNSCOP report in order to continue to study the problem and make recommendations. It found that “the General Assembly is not competent to recommend, still less to enforce, any solution other than the recognition of the independence of Palestine, and that the settlement of the future government of Palestine is a matter solely for the people of Palestine.”

It concluded further that the partition plan was “contrary to the principles of the Charter, and the United Nations have no power to give effect to it.” The U.N. could not

deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country…. The United Nations Organization has no power to create a new State. Such a decision can only be taken by the free will of the people of the territories in question. That condition is not fulfilled in the case of the majority proposal, as it involves the establishment of a Jewish State in complete disregard of the wishes and interests of the Arabs of Palestine.


The partition plan put forth by UNSCOP sought to create within Palestine a Jewish state contrary to the express will of the majority of its inhabitants. Despite constituting only a third of the population and owning less than 7 percent of the land, it sought to grant to the Jews more than half of Palestine for purpose of creating that Jewish state. It would, in other words, take land from the Arabs and give it to the Jews. The inherent injustice of the partition plan stands in stark contrast to alternative plan proposed by the Arabs, of an independent state of Palestine in which the rights of the Jewish minority would be recognized and respected, and which would afford the Jewish population representation in a democratic government. The partition plan was blatantly prejudicial to the rights of the majority Arab population, and was premised on the rejection of their right to self-determination. This is all the more uncontroversial inasmuch as the UNSCOP report itself explicitly acknowledged that the proposal to create a Jewish state in Palestine was contrary to the principle of self-determination. The plan was also premised upon the erroneous assumption that the Arabs would simply acquiesce to having their land taken from them and voluntarily surrender their majority rights, including their right to self-determination.

U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 neither legally partitioned Palestine nor conferred upon the Zionist leadership any legal authority to unilaterally declare the existence of the Jewish state of Israel. It merely recommended that the UNSCOP partition plan be accepted and implemented by the concerned parties. Naturally, to have any weight of law, the plan, like any contract, would have to have been formally agreed upon by both parties, which it was not. Nor could the General Assembly have legally partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority for the creation of Israel to the Zionist leadership, as it simply had no such authority to confer. When the Security Council took up the matter referred to it by the General Assembly, it could come to no consensus on how to proceed with implementing the partition plan. It being apparent that the plan could not be implemented by peaceful means, the suggestion that it be implemented by force was rejected by members of the Security Council. The simple fact of the matter is that the plan was never implemented. Numerous delegates from member states, including the U.S., arrived at the conclusion that the plan was impracticable, and, furthermore, that the Security Council had no authority to implement such a plan except by mutual consent by concerned parties, which was absent in this case.

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel, by Jeremy R. Hammond


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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
and spiritually grounded.




The traditional account of Jewish history, as portrayed in Israeli textbooks and many other sources, generally follows a narrative that emphasises the ancient origin of the Jews, their historical connection to the land of Israel, and their survival through centuries of exile and persecution. The modern state of Israel stakes its legitimacy on the factual accuracy of this account. Developments in scholarly and scientific research over the past few decades have, however, shown every element of the traditional account to be false. These discoveries fatally undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel...

There is, in fact, no direct archaeological evidence or contemporary historical records to confirm the existence of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or the events associated with them as described in the Torah. In any case, the Torah was never intended to be simple record of history, in the modern sense, but is first and foremost a theological text. The stories of the Patriarchs reflect a theological perspective that sees Jewish history as beginning with a divine covenant and direct interaction with God. Such theological claims are, of course, outside the scope of historical analysis, and the stories of the Patriarchs must be seen as mythological expressions of the the values and beliefs of ancient Judahites rather than as reliable historical records.

Nor is there any historical evidence to corroborate the story of the Israelites’ enslavement in Egypt or that of the Exodus. Archaeologists have looked in vain for evidence of a large-scale migration of people from Egypt into Canaan at the time suggested by the biblical account. Nor is the story corroborated by Egyptian records, which are remarkably detailed and would certainly have mentioned the departure of a large number of slaves had it actually occurred, since this would have been a significant event. It is now widely accepted that the Exodus narrative is a theological or national myth that was invented no earlier than the sixth century BCE. As with the Patriarchs, the existence of Moses is not confirmed by contemporary historical evidence. The story of Moses and the reception of the Torah at Mount Sinai is seen by most modern scholars as a foundational myth rather than a historical event.


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And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:

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Following World War I and the fall of the Habsburg monarchy, Görz became Italian and was renamed Gorizia. The Slovenian inhabitants were forced to assimilate, ending the city's cultural diversity.

Things changed once again after the end of World War II. Most of the city remained Italian, but Josip Broz Tito, the prime minister of Yugoslavia, of which Slovenia was a part, didn't want to relinquish the historical location. He founded the city of Nova Gorica, or "new Gorizia," in the neighboring meadows. It was a planned city, modern and functional.

This cemented the border between Slovenian Nova Gorica and Italian Gorizia. Families were separated, land was redistributed and mistrust grew on both sides. The Cold War between East and West played out in a small city, with each side alleging the other was fascist or communist.

The border persisted for 16 years after Slovenia's independence from Yugoslavia. It was only after Slovenia joined the European Union in 2004 and the Schengen zone of free movement in 2007 that the two municipalities could work together to create a shared history. In 2025, the cities will serve as a joint European Capital of Culture.

In 2025, the European Capitals of Culture program will celebrate places that have overcome division and tumultuous times of transition. The cities are unique, innovative, diverse — worth a visit, in other words. And that is precisely the aim of the European Capitals of Culture program: supporting diversity but also the unity shared by cultures, thereby fostering a sense of European belonging.

The program was founded in 1985 in a push from Greek Culture Minister Melina Mercouri.
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A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.

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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.



You're a bloody joke.

Many times I've shown you how the Palestinians tried for peace. And what was your response? You went all quiet for a month or so but then came back sprouting the same nonsense propaganda again.

For the umpteenth time:

"In January 1976, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) offered to negotiate the terms of this "two-state" consensus. With Washington’s support, Israel refused the good-faith Palestinian proposal. Choosing expansion over peace, it has done so ever since...

"Critics dismiss the 1976 peace initiative, arguing that the fratricidal Lebanese civil war rendered Palestinian recognition of Israel unthinkable. Yet the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) discerned that Arafat was “willing and able” to deliver - the 1976 initiative was not an aberration, but began a deluge of Palestinian two-state proposals, in 1977, 1979, 1980 and 1982."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-negotiation-idea-always-f...
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