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Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:51am

For decades, both US and China stated they were anti-imperial. They were in fact anti British Empire for different reasons. Russia joined the anti-imperial camp while occupying East Europe.

As the word 'empire' is not used for their own interests, then the claim continues. Gradually, the old compulsion is taking shape -
China in Tibet, north India and China Sea.
Russia in Crimea, Ukraine, Georgia and maybe Baltic areas.
The US has several Pacific territories and semi-territories world-wide.
Where these collide, the militaries are involved and battles of empires are seen in actions if not in names. The European empires began as explorations, gold digging or spice-trading. They were commercial companies, then military expeditions and finally empires. Events now may be the introduction to the next imperial conflicts while denying it's happening.

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Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 2:09pm

In the Northern Hemisphere, Politics, regardless of type, ideal, etc. Always states it's for 'the People's!
But after getting in power, they become an entity not for the people at large. But for the People in the establishment of politics itself.
The general public at large become the exploitable commodity for the Political (Nation) industry or the Military (Empire).

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #2 - Dec 18^th, 2024 at 8:01am

There is a shift in China's pressure.
'China also deposited to the UN the Statement on the Baselines of the Territorial Sea Adjacent to Huangyan Dao on December 3.[Scarborough shoal].

"If the Philippines undertakes further provocative actions at Ren’ai Jiao [Thomas shoal] in 2025, the possibility cannot be ruled out that China may take measures such as removing the Philippine military vessel that has been illegally 'grounded' there for decades," said Wu. Dec 17.
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Both shoals are within the EEZ 200 mile limit from the Philippines. China is now threatening a defined military action on Philippines property. This suggests it has calculated that the US will be inactive.

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Reply #3 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:04am

'A large Chinese Coast Guard vessel has repeatedly entered the Philippines exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and Chinese forces may have started patrolling parts of the so-called Nine Dash Line. The line runs through the EEZs of the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, and Indonesia.'

China says its claim is undisputed. This is correct as
a) China is not disputing it.
b) China has a bigger navy.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: not an empire Reply #4 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:58am Quote: For decades, both US and China stated they were anti-imperial. Stating the bleeding obvious.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: not an empire Reply #5 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 11:10am China's ownership of the South China Sea was bleeding obvious to freediver before anyone knew. He also knows that China exists. He knows there is thinking globally. freediver knows these things.
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Reply #6 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 11:16am

chimera wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 11:10am:

China's ownership of the South China Sea was bleeding obvious to freediver before anyone knew. He also knows that China exists. He knows there is thinking globally. freediver knows these things.

The Tasman belongs to Tasmania!!! Australia has the two East Islands and the Cook Outcrop, the South Island and the Far South Island.. cold down there. Maybe we could re-possess - Putin and Xi style - our little outpost of empire to the north... start putting pressure on the Indos in West Papua.

The sky's the limit!!

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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: not an empire Reply #7 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 11:48am The British Empire: The Spanish Empire: The Mongol Empire:
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: not an empire Reply #8 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 11:51am On the China System, the US owns the sea between Alaska, Guam, American Samoa and California. Any Chinese boats in North Pacific will be rammed. This will be a Good Idea at the time.
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Reply #9 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 11:21am

'17th April 2025 – (Manila) The Chinese Embassy in the Philippines has lodged a formal protest regarding Google Maps’ recent decision to label parts of the South China Sea as the “West Philippine Sea.” Chinese official Lin Jian emphasised that the term “South China Sea” has long been recognised as the internationally accepted name by the global community, including the United Nations and various maritime organisations. He argued that Google’s alteration of the map designation contradicts established international conventions and undermines efforts towards standardising geographical names. Furthermore, Lin asserted that such changes would not affect China’s sovereignty or maritime rights in the region.'
https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/chinese-embassy-lodges-formal-protest-regarding-googl...

(excuse me, cof cof..) China rejects the UN decision in order to claim sovereignty of this sea.

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Reply #10 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 5:10pm

They can't do that!

That's the North Western Australian Sea! We're disputing ownership with New Zealand! They're not content with the East of Australia being The Kiwi Coast.... they want it all...

An American, A Russian and a Ukraine are on a train to Kiev ...

The American stands up and throws a gun out of the window into the snow....

Non-plussed – the others ask why?

He says - “In America we've got too many guns, I don't need that one!”

The Russian proudly stands up – takes out a bottle of the finest vodka – then throws it out the window into the snow!!

“In Mother Russia – we have too many bottles of vodka – I do not need this one!!”

The Ukraine stands up proudly!! And then throws them both out the window into the snow...

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: not an empire Reply #11 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 5:32pm North American Plate is a major tectonic plate that includes most of North America, Greenland, parts of Iceland, Siberia, and Cuba. It's not a China Plate and New Zealand is a smudge mark on Australia Plate.
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Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87186 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: not an empire Reply #12 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 7:13pm chimera wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 5:32pm: North American Plate is a major tectonic plate that includes most of North America, Greenland, parts of Iceland, Siberia, and Cuba. It's not a China Plate and New Zealand is a smudge mark on Australia Plate. Sounds like that claim then is a lot of bull in a China shopping list ...
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: not an empire Reply #13 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 7:45pm You chop-chop in rice bowl to scramble eggs like a small fish of an emperor.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: not an empire Reply #14 - Apr 18^th, 2025 at 8:25pm This little pink is broken.
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