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Question: Do you support or oppose using Nuclear power in Australia?

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Reply #75 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:42pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
The BOM have declared Australia facing one of the hottest summers on record...


No that was the Climate Council, allegedly quoting BOM. The Climate Council are NOT BOM Roll Eyesphilperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
If you have any evidence the BOM is incorrect then post your evidence and prove the BOM wrong



BOM itself said the summer days would be warmer than average

lee wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:52pm:
"warmer than average days are likely across large parts of the country


Warmer than average is no claim to be the hottest evah. Averages are made up of warmer and cooler temperatures.

Nightime temperatures may be higher than average, but that also does not make it the hottest on record. Roll Eyes


So you cannot provide any evidence to refute the prediction from the BOM....Instead you play on words to support your stupidity....You claim that it was the Climate Council and not the BOM making the claim is ignorant bullshit....So warmer than average does not equate to higher temperatures according to you....If you have any evidence the BOM is incorrect then post your evidence and prove the BOM wrong....You opinion is not evidence dickhead!!!

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https://theconversation.com/40-c-in-august-a-climate-expert-explains-why-austral...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-08/hot-spring-weather-bom-predicts-summer-sc...

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Reply #76 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:07pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:42pm:
So you cannot provide any evidence to refute the prediction from the BOM..



You poor dumb Schmuck. You can't tell the difference between BOM and the Climate Council. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:42pm:
https://theconversation.com/40-c-in-august-a-climate-expert-expl
ains-why-austral...



Wow and NOTHING to do with the El Nino and Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai (HT) eruption that is still having an impact. Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-08/hot-spring-weather-bom-predicts-summer-sc...

But what you should really do is look at when BOM made their summary. Hint: 5 December.

The Conversation? 26 August.

The ABC? 8 November.

Both well before BOM's prognostications. You really are deficient. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #77 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:18pm
 
More on August temperatures - from NASA -

"In 2024, global temperatures for June through August were the hottest on record, narrowly topping the same period in 2023. The exceptional heat extended throughout other seasons, too, with global temperatures breaking records for 15 straight months from June 2023 until August 2024, according to scientists from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS).

Although this spell of record heat fits within a long-term warming trend driven by human activity—primarily greenhouse gas emissions—the intensity of the heat, which reached a crescendo in the last half of 2023, surprised leading climate scientists. In a commentary in Nature, Gavin Schmidt, the director of GISS, used words like “humbling” and “confounding” to explain just how far temperatures overshot expectations during that period. "

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/153588/charting-the-exceptional-unexpec...

So even NASA doesn't know what caused it. Wink
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Reply #78 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:18pm:
More on August temperatures - from NASA -

"In 2024, global temperatures for June through August were the hottest on record, narrowly topping the same period in 2023. The exceptional heat extended throughout other seasons, too, with global temperatures breaking records for 15 straight months from June 2023 until August 2024, according to scientists from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS).

Although
this spell of record heat fits within a long-term warming trend driven by human activity—primarily greenhouse gas emissions
—the intensity of the heat, which reached a crescendo in the last half of 2023, surprised leading climate scientists. In a commentary in Nature, Gavin Schmidt, the director of GISS, used words like “humbling” and “confounding” to explain just how far temperatures overshot expectations during that period"

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/153588/charting-the-exceptional-unexpec...

So even NASA doesn't know what caused it. Wink


The cause is Global Warming as stated in the article you posted....Look at the rising trend in temperatures accross the world....Do you claim the world is not warming Lee???

Thank you for confirming the BOM are correct!!!

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Reply #79 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:58pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
I am still waiting for you to provide proof Elon Musk proposed sending Nuclear Waste into space a couple of kilos per rocket ship....Provide the evidence you relied upon to make this claim....All we have is your claim with nothing to support it....The idea is ridiculous???

Huh Huh Huh 


Leroy wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.


You want me to provide evidence of what I think, how does that work?.

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Reply #80 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:03pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:58pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
I am still waiting for you to provide proof Elon Musk proposed sending Nuclear Waste into space a couple of kilos per rocket ship....Provide the evidence you relied upon to make this claim....All we have is your claim with nothing to support it....The idea is ridiculous???

Huh Huh Huh 


Leroy wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.


You want me to provide evidence of what I think, how does that work?.



It won't because you obviously do not think....Your proposal (Nobody elses) is to send of Nuclear Waste a couple of kilos at a time into space....The idea is idiodic and nobody would support such an idiodic proposal!!!

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Reply #81 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:03pm
 
Want weather forecasts more than 15 days away? Not possible, say researchers


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-19/weather-forecasts-and-why-long-range-ones-dont-work/11023750
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Reply #82 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:04pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:03pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:58pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
I am still waiting for you to provide proof Elon Musk proposed sending Nuclear Waste into space a couple of kilos per rocket ship....Provide the evidence you relied upon to make this claim....All we have is your claim with nothing to support it....The idea is ridiculous???

Huh Huh Huh 


Leroy wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.


You want me to provide evidence of what I think, how does that work?.



It won't because you obviously do not think....Your proposal (Nobody elses) is to send of Nuclear Waste a couple of kilos at a time into space....The idea is idiodic and nobody would support such an idiodic proposal!!!

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And you speak for everybody?.
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Reply #83 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:15pm
 
Several universities and world nuclear association are or have considered sending waste into space. I do understand information takes a long time to reach Perth so its all good.

Quote:
Disposal in outer space


The objective of this option is to remove the radioactive waste from the Earth, for all time, by ejecting it into outer space. The waste would be packaged so that it would be likely to remain intact under most conceivable accident scenarios. A rocket or space shuttle would be used to launch the packaged waste into space. There are several ultimate destinations for the waste which have been considered, including directing it into the Sun.

The high cost means that such a method of waste disposal could only be appropriate for separated HLW – i.e. long-lived highly radioactive material that is relatively small in volume – rather than spent fuel. The question was investigated in the USA by NASA in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Because of the high cost of this option and the safety aspects associated with the risk of launch failure, it was abandoned.
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-waste/s
torage-and-disposal-of-radioactive-waste


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Why don’t we send nuclear waste into space?
https://opinion.sites.northeastern.edu/2020/12/29/why-dont-we-send-nuclear-waste
-into-space/


Quote:
DISPOSAL OF HIGH-LEVEL NUCLEAR WASTE IN SPACE
Jonathan Coopersmith
Texas A&M University
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https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Manufacturing-conference-12-111-D
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Reply #84 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
The cause is Global Warming as stated in the article you posted...



According to NASA. Who believe CO2 is the control knob. But H2O is the dominant GHG and has a much greater control than any minor gas. CO2 is 420ppm is 0.042% of the atmosphere. Human emissions are about 4% of that 0.04%. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Look at the rising trend in temperatures across the world..



And? Please provide the link that PROVES CO2 is the cause. In fact it was after some delegates had left an IPCC meeting that the wording was changed to say there was a proven link, but never shown. Roll Eyes



philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
.Do you claim the world is not warming Lee???


Well there is that possibility. However UK alone has a number of phantom sites.

"Science Shock: U.K. Met Office is “Inventing” Temperature Data from 100 Non-Existent Stations"

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/05/science-shock-u-k-met-office-is-inventing-te...

And of course the uk met office can show annual temperatures back to 1850 with an accuracy of 7 decimal places. Of course back then they were using liquid-in-glass thermometers. Good luck getting 7 decimal places on those.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut5/data/HadCRUT.5.0.2.0/analysis/diagn...

And these days most of the temperatures are taken at airports, which are designed for aircraft and not climate, as they have inherent problems. And then there is homogenisation. Homogenistaion can't tell you what the temperature was yesterday, never mind a day 100 odd years ago.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Thank you for confirming the BOM are correct!!!


Where did I do that? It was the Climate Council that you quoted, NOT BOM.

You are such a dick. Wink
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Reply #85 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
The cause is Global Warming as stated in the article you posted...



According to NASA. Who believe CO2 is the control knob. But H2O is the dominant GHG and has a much greater control than any minor gas. CO2 is 420ppm is 0.042% of the atmosphere. Human emissions are about 4% of that 0.04%. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Look at the rising trend in temperatures across the world..



And? Please provide the link that PROVES CO2 is the cause. In fact it was after dome delegates had left an IPCC meeting that the wording was changed to say there was a proven link, but never shown. Roll Eyes



philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
.Do you claim the world is not warming Lee???


Well there is that possibility. However UK alone has a number of phantom sites.

"Science Shock: U.K. Met Office is “Inventing” Temperature Data from 100 Non-Existent Stations"

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/05/science-shock-u-k-met-office-is-inventing-te...

And of course the uk met office can show annual temperatures back to 1850 with an accuracy of 7 decimal places. Of course back then they were using liquid-in-glass thermometers. Good luck getting 7 decimal places on those.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut5/data/HadCRUT.5.0.2.0/analysis/diagn...

And these days most of the temperatures are taken at airports, which are designed for aircraft and not climate, as they have inherent problems. And then there is homogenisation. Homogenistaion can't tell you what the temperature was yesterday, never mind a day 100 odd years ago.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Thank you for confirming the BOM are correct!!!


Where did I do that? It was the Climate Council that you quoted, NOT BOM.

You are such a dick. Wink


Okay Lee....So according to you....Global Warming is crap and the world is not warming....There is no evidence CO2 is causing temperatures to rise....The Climate Council, CSIRO and ABC are corrupt by publishing bogus reports from the BOM....World Governments are in a conspiracy to eliminate fossil fuels....The Climate Council lied about the BOM report which showed no warming or concern....Keep up the good work!!!

Wink Wink Wink

Excellent source by the way....Why would you accept anything else???

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Reply #86 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:44pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:15pm:
Several universities and world nuclear association are or have considered sending waste into space. I do understand information takes a long time to reach Perth so its all good.

Quote:
Disposal in outer space


The objective of this option is to remove the radioactive waste from the Earth, for all time, by ejecting it into outer space. The waste would be packaged so that it would be likely to remain intact under most conceivable accident scenarios. A rocket or space shuttle would be used to launch the packaged waste into space. There are several ultimate destinations for the waste which have been considered, including directing it into the Sun.

The high cost means that such a method of waste disposal could only be appropriate for separated HLW – i.e. long-lived highly radioactive material that is relatively small in volume – rather than spent fuel. The question was investigated in the USA by NASA in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Because of the high cost of this option and the safety aspects associated with the risk of launch failure, it was abandoned.
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-waste/s
torage-and-disposal-of-radioactive-waste


Quote:
Why don’t we send nuclear waste into space?
https://opinion.sites.northeastern.edu/2020/12/29/why-dont-we-send-nuclear-waste
-into-space/


Quote:
DISPOSAL OF HIGH-LEVEL NUCLEAR WASTE IN SPACE
Jonathan Coopersmith
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas
https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Manufacturing-conference-12-111-D
isposal-Of-High-Level-Nuclear-Waste-In-Space.pdf


So nobody is stupid enough to send Nuclear Waste into Space for the reasons I quoted accept for you....You are such a dickhead!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

By the way....Your links go nowhere???

https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Manufacturing-conference-12-111-D...

https://opinion.sites.northeastern.edu/2020/12/29/why-dont-we-send-nuclear-waste...
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Reply #87 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:52pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:44pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:15pm:
Several universities and world nuclear association are or have considered sending waste into space. I do understand information takes a long time to reach Perth so its all good.

Quote:
Disposal in outer space


The objective of this option is to remove the radioactive waste from the Earth, for all time, by ejecting it into outer space. The waste would be packaged so that it would be likely to remain intact under most conceivable accident scenarios. A rocket or space shuttle would be used to launch the packaged waste into space. There are several ultimate destinations for the waste which have been considered, including directing it into the Sun.

The high cost means that such a method of waste disposal could only be appropriate for separated HLW – i.e. long-lived highly radioactive material that is relatively small in volume – rather than spent fuel. The question was investigated in the USA by NASA in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Because of the high cost of this option and the safety aspects associated with the risk of launch failure, it was abandoned.
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-waste/s
torage-and-disposal-of-radioactive-waste


Quote:
Why don’t we send nuclear waste into space?
https://opinion.sites.northeastern.edu/2020/12/29/why-dont-we-send-nuclear-waste
-into-space/


Quote:
DISPOSAL OF HIGH-LEVEL NUCLEAR WASTE IN SPACE
Jonathan Coopersmith
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas
https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Manufacturing-conference-12-111-D
isposal-Of-High-Level-Nuclear-Waste-In-Space.pdf


So nobody is stupid enough to send Nuclear Waste into Space for the reasons I quoted accept for you....You are such a dickhead!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

By the way....Your links go nowhere???

https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Manufacturing-conference-12-111-D...

https://opinion.sites.northeastern.edu/2020/12/29/why-dont-we-send-nuclear-waste...


I don't know why you are getting so irate Phil, I'm just predicting that in 30+ years they will be sending nuclear waste into space, why does that offend you so much. There have been many discussions and investigations into it and safety and cost have been too risky to attempt it. It was not long ago they sent tourists into space when years before they said it was to unsafe and to costly but now its not.
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Reply #88 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:59pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
So according to you....Global Warming is crap and the world is not warming..


Nope, AGW "climate porn", "existential threat" is crap. The world may be warming. The question is, if it is how much is mankind's contribution? The instruments are not ideally sited and distort things, so one cannot actually conclude anything.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
.The Climate Council, CSIRO and ABC are corrupt by publishing bogus reports from the BOM...


You haven't shown any report from BOM. I haven't seen you post one on the ABC that was published after BOM released its projections. Timing is everything.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
World Governments are in a conspiracy to eliminate fossil fuels..


Well it is not individuals trying to eleminate fossil fuels, by edict. Then there are the billionaires who see great gain in touting renewables. Those billionaires like to fly private jets, and have an increased carbon footprint. But is only for elites, they want the rest to holiday at home or not at all. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
The Climate Council lied about the BOM report which showed no warming or concern..


And yet you haven't shown that is not what they did. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW - here is the story of Ben Santer and what was agreed and what was subsequently published by the IPCC.

"Agreed comments

1. “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases.”

2. “While some of the pattern-base discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part of climate change observed to man-made causes.”

3. “Any claims of positive detection and attribution of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced.”

4. “While none of these studies has specifically considered the attribution issue, they often draw some attribution conclusions, for which there is little justification.”

Santer’s replacements

1. “There is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcing by greenhouse gases and sulfate aerosols … from the geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change … These results point toward a human influence on global climate.”

2. “The body of statistical evidence in chapter 8, when examined in the context of our physical understanding of the climate system, now points to a discernible human influence on the global climate.”


The second assessment report. 1995. Santer and others published a paper in 1996 that said the models were accurate. And we know now that they ain't. But publishing a paper after the event? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #89 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:09pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:59pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
So according to you....Global Warming is crap and the world is not warming..


Nope, AGW "climate porn", "existential threat" is crap. The world may be warming. The question is, if it is how much is mankind's contribution? The instruments are not ideally sited and distort things, so one cannot actually conclude anything.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
.The Climate Council, CSIRO and ABC are corrupt by publishing bogus reports from the BOM...


You haven't shown any report from BOM. I haven't seen you post one on the ABC that was published after BOM released its projections. Timing is everything.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
World Governments are in a conspiracy to eliminate fossil fuels..


Well it is not individuals trying to eleminate fossil fuels, by edict. Then there are the billionaires who see great gain in touting renewables. Those billionaires like to fly private jets, and have an increased carbon footprint. But is only for elites, they want the rest to holiday at home or not at all. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
The Climate Council lied about the BOM report which showed no warming or concern..


And yet you haven't shown that is not what they did. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW - here is the story of Ben Santer and what was agreed and what was subsequently published by the IPCC.

"Agreed comments

1. “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases.”

2. “While some of the pattern-base discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part of climate change observed to man-made causes.”

3. “Any claims of positive detection and attribution of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced.”

4. “While none of these studies has specifically considered the attribution issue, they often draw some attribution conclusions, for which there is little justification.”

Santer’s replacements

1. “There is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcing by greenhouse gases and sulfate aerosols … from the geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change … These results point toward a human influence on global climate.”

2. “The body of statistical evidence in chapter 8, when examined in the context of our physical understanding of the climate system, now points to a discernible human influence on the global climate.”


The second assessment report. 1995. Santer and others published a paper in 1996 that said the models were accurate. And we know now that they ain't. But publishing a paper after the event?


Can you provide the links to the articles you posted Lee....The report is almost 30 years old???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
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