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Reply #45 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:43pm
 
'international law' ............................. ...

Never been the same since the United Nations took in all those countries that are anything but united with the rest.... as if somehow they had a right ...  Gaza should be part of the unity of mankind...... then when all these nasty little despotisms intent on genocides etc and the allies get a vote - what ho your 'international law' to keep the peace?

Working a charm at the moment, eh?  Must be the lack of personal responsibility from those leaders of those nasty little despotic nations....
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Reply #46 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.

yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false.
Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes
Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but
instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.

Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that.

Is that Like Danzig?
That's what sparked WW2 in Poland.
Danzig German Speakers 1939
According to the census data and historical records, the Free City of Danzig had a predominantly German-speaking population in 1939. The majority of the inhabitants, approximately 380,000, identified as ethnically German. However, there were also significant minority groups, including:
Polish population: estimated to be around 17,000, making up approximately 4.2% of the total population.
Jewish population: around 3,000, comprising about 0.8% of the total population.


No, east Ukraine was originally part of Russia, which was given to Ukraine by Lenin after communists created Ukraine after the revolution.
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Reply #47 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm
 
Now Putin is inclusive. Tallowood excludes US culture. Putin includes Ukraine.
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Reply #48 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 3:40pm
 
chimera wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
Now Putin is inclusive. Tallowood excludes US culture. Putin includes Ukraine.


You are poof who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.
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Reply #49 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 3:50pm
 
And you will keep diverting from principles of Putin. You and him are corrupt.
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Reply #50 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 4:51pm
 
chimera wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 3:50pm:
And you will keep diverting from principles of Putin. You and him are corrupt.



You are a lair and scoundrel  who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.
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Reply #51 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:35pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
'international law' ...


A developing concept, to free mankind from the consequences of neanderthal instincts still alive and kicking today.

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Never been the same since the United Nations took in all those countries that are anything but united with the rest....


Poor graps, driven by neanderthal instincts, and incapable of understanding Doc Evatt's proposals to implement and enforce international law (requiring a UNSC without veto).

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as if somehow they had a right ...


Er- just as under national law (aka rule of law), you don't have a "right" to participate, you have a responsibility to participate; so under international law, states don't have a "right" to participate in international law, they have a responsibility to do so. 

Hence the principle of universal memberhip. 

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Gaza should be part of the unity of mankind......


Wrong as usual; in fact Gaza shouldn't even exist, and if Evatt's vision for the UNSC had been adopted (no veto),  Gaza would have been part of a Palestinian state  established in 1947, as per UN res 181 (aka international law). 

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what ho your 'international law' to keep the peace?
 

See above; people and states must abide by rule of law, under an adjudicator to keep the peace.

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Working a charm at the moment, eh?  Must be the lack of personal responsibility from those leaders of those nasty little despotic nations....


No; it's lack of insight into anachronistic, unconscious (neanderthal) survival instincts which forced the veto into the UNSC, even in the age of MAD. 
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Reply #52 - Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
Grappler still doing his Donald Duck act, unable to address  #51.
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Reply #53 - Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:28pm
 
chimera wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 6:28am:
Putin's Principle Orders for the World
1) openness to missile action
2) diversity of Slavs in sustaining a Slavic world
3) new world develops inclusive Slavs
4) security for Slavic nation with secured Ukraine
5) justice for all Ukraine equally in Slavic nation
6) sovereign Slav lasts for imperative nation.


1) Russia has long used the principle of openness towards all countries in its foreign policy. Those who wanted to interact with Russia were able to do so without hindrance. The West itself closed the door to relations with Russia.

2) Russia has also been using this principle in its foreign policy for a long time. It does not teach anyone how to live. It does not prescribe any form of government to any country.

3) Russia has long been calling for recognition of the right of countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America to participate in decisions concerning the fate of the world.

4) It is precisely because the West ignored this principle and Russia's security was ignored that there is now a war in Ukraine.

5) I would like to believe that this principle will someday be embodied in reality in this world.

6) As far as I understand, Russia always perceives its dialogue partners in any international interactions as equal sovereign actors.

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Reply #54 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:20am
 

1) The West offered Russia observation of NATO until Russia attacked Georgia. Trump closed the door on Putin?
2) Russia invaded and teaches Chechnya, Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia how to live.
3) Africa was included in the League of Nations 1920 but Russia was expelled in 1939 for invading Finland (and Poland).
4) Ukraine inside Russia was satire. You don't get it.
5)  All the world like Donbas in Russia?
6) No nation on earth can defeat Russia and its largest force of nukes is ready to fire now.  All are welcome to receive them.

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Reply #55 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 8:06am:
Seventh - assassinate opposition leaders and political opponents in Russia



I agree that in Russia they are carefully watching to make sure that no influential figure emerges who can compete with Putin. But who is killing Russian oppositionists is unknown. It could be either Putin or the West, in order to present Putin as a bloody maniac.
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Reply #56 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:52am:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
Once again briefly:

1) openness to interaction;
2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability;
3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion;
4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security;
5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world;
6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.


That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.


I believe that the Europe we knew will no longer exist in any case.
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Reply #57 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:36pm:
In as much as Putin has appealed to the principles outlined in the UN Universal DHR, this is a fine presentation by him.

But his error, like all individualists, is his refusal to abide by the concept of international law; or maybe, his inability to even understand the concept. 

The usual 'freedom values'/ 'freedom or death' suspects have already piled into this thread, driven by blind neanderthal 'survival' instincts  (.....resulting in conflict, death, war and genocide). 

Pity the poor UN UDHR....even more fragile than democracy....    

Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been catastrophic, and may well be the cause of his own downfall, if not Russia's set back for decades.   


Tell me please, did the NATO military bloc's approach to Russia's borders occur in accordance with the UN Charter?

Was the overthrow of Ukrainian President Yanukovych carried out in accordance with the UN Charter?
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Reply #58 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
[quote author=tallowood link=1731138258/30#30 date=1731203530][quote author=kapablanka link=1731138258/10#10 date=1731141082]Once again briefly:

I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted.

Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused.
No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 -
so he is full of bullshit.


I wonder if anyone in the West listened to Putin when he proposed moving NATO away from Russia's borders in December 2021?

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Reply #59 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:33pm
 
With their declining population, ethnically, Russians will be goners over the next few decades - as are the Han Chinese, so only a few more years left to put up with them.
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