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Re: Putin's Six Principles for a New World Order
Reply #30 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:52am
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
Once again briefly:

1) openness to interaction;
2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability;
3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion;
4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security;
5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world;
6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.


That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.
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Reply #31 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:54am
 
You never were any good at expressing your ideas. It's why you copy and paste saint Vlad's holy words. Putin may not be pleased with your efforts today.
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Reply #32 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:07pm
 
Dude.
The NWOrder is a nasty use of words to describe the political stability, freedom from and truth from the evil control of the Big Brother Media.

What Religion of the Middle-East has done to Asia, Europe and Africa. Forced Asia to replicate, oppressed Europe and kept Africa in the dark (continent) via Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism.

...the Big Brother Media of Oceania (Orwell's 1984 has Oceania as the enemy, which was the ultimate lie) is basically doing the same to Sahul (Aust), South America and North America. Making us Sahulians into Media carbon copiers, oppressing South America (look what BBMedia did to Argentina) and keep North Americans in the dark (continent).

Big Brother Media Regions:
Oceania... Africa, Europe,Asia.

New World Order Regions:
Middle -East...  N.America, S America, Sahul (Aust, etc)

Hence why, the BBMedia condemns NWO believers as conspiracy nutters, etc.

Like I said:"Religion of the Middle-East kept Africa in the dark. While the Media of music and entertainment, keeps North Americans in the dark."
...and doesn't it just show.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #33 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm
 
chimera wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:54am:
You never were any good at expressing your ideas. It's why you copy and paste saint Vlad's holy words. Putin may not be pleased with your efforts today.


You are poof who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again otherwise your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.
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Reply #34 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:21pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:07pm:
Dude.
The NWOrder is a nasty use of words to describe the political stability, freedom from and truth from the evil control of the Big Brother Media.

What Religion of the Middle-East has done to Asia, Europe and Africa. Forced Asia to replicate, oppressed Europe and kept Africa in the dark (continent) via Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism.

...the Big Brother Media of Oceania (Orwell's 1984 has Oceania as the enemy, which was the ultimate lie) is basically doing the same to Sahul (Aust), South America and North America. Making us Sahulians into Media carbon copiers, oppressing South America (look what BBMedia did to Argentina) and keep North Americans in the dark (continent).

Big Brother Media Regions:
Oceania... Africa, Europe,Asia.

New World Order Regions:
Middle -East...  N.America, S America, Sahul (Aust, etc)

Hence why, the BBMedia condemns NWO believers as conspiracy nutters, etc.

Like I said:"Religion of the Middle-East kept Africa in the dark. While the Media of music and entertainment, keeps North Americans in the dark."
...and doesn't it just show.


What about Buddhism, which is is the world's fourth-largest religion, with over 520 million followers, known as Buddhists, who comprise seven percent of the global population?
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Reply #35 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.

wha....?
Where did I say I was quoting?
Who was quoted?
What words were false quotes?
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Reply #36 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:36pm
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:17pm:
sixth - continuation and completion

"....
That said, we live in an interconnected and complex world, and it is becoming increasingly complex. While the use of force may help address a specific issue, it may, of course, bring about other and sometimes even greater challenges. And we understand this. Our country has never been the one to initiate the use of force: we are forced to do that only when it becomes clear that our opponent is acting aggressively and is not willing to listen to any type of argument. And whenever necessary, we will take any measure we need to protect Russia and all its citizens, and we will always achieve our goals.

We live in an intrinsically diverse, non-linear world. This is something we have always understood, and this is what we know today. It is not my intention today to revel in the past, but I can remember quite well the situation we had back in 1999, when I became Prime Minister and then went on to become President. I remember the challenges we faced at the time. I think that Russian people, just like the experts who have gathered in this room, all remember the forces which backed terrorists in North Caucasus, who supplied them weapons, sponsored them, and offered moral, political, ideological and informational support and the extent of these practices.

I can only scoff, with both ridicule and sadness, at what we were hearing at the time: We are dealing with al-Qaeda, which is evil, but as long as you are the target, it is fine. What kind of attitude is that? All this brings nothing but conflict. At the time we had a goal to invest everything we had and spend all the time at our disposal and all capabilities to keep the country together. Of course, this served everyone’s interests in Russia. Despite the dire economic situation in the wake of the 1998 economic crisis and despite the devastated state of our military, we came together as a nation to fend off this terrorist threat and went on to defeat it. Make no mistake about that.

Why have I brought this to your attention? In fact, once again some have come to believe that the world would be better off without Russia. At that time, they tried to finish Russia off after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Today, it seems that someone is once again nurturing this dream. They think that this would make the world more obedient and pliant. However, Russia stopped those aspiring to global dominance in their tracks many times over, no matter who it was. This is how it will be in the future, too. In fact, the world would hardly get any better. This message must finally get across to those trying to go down this road. It would do nothing but make things even more complicated than they are today.

Our opponents are coming up with new ways and devising new tools in their attempts to get rid of us. Today, they have been using Ukraine and its people as a tool by cynically pitching them against Russians and turning them into cannon fodder, all while perorating about a European choice. What kind of choice is that? Let me assure you that this is not our choice. We will defend ourselves and our people – I want this to be absolutely clear to everyone.

Russia’s role is certainly not limited to protecting and preserving itself. It may sound a bit grand, but Russia’s very existence guarantees that the world will retain its wide colour gamut, diversity and complexity, which is the key to successful development. These are not my words. This is something our friends from all regions of the world often tell me. I am not exaggerating. To reiterate, we are not imposing anything on anyone and will never do. We do not need that, and no one else needs it, either. We are guided by our own values, interests and ideas of what is right and what is not, which are rooted in our identity, history and culture. And, of course, we are always ready for a constructive dialogue with everyone.

Those who respect their culture and traditions have no right not to treat others with the same respect. Conversely, those who are trying to force others into inappropriate behaviour invariably trample their own roots, civilisation and culture into mud, some of what we are witnessing."


In as much as Putin has appealed to the principles outlined in the UN Universal DHR, this is a fine presentation by him.

But his error, like all individualists, is his refusal to abide by the concept of international law; or maybe, his inability to even understand the concept. 

The usual 'freedom values'/ 'freedom or death' suspects have already piled into this thread, driven by blind neanderthal 'survival' instincts  (.....resulting in conflict, death, war and genocide). 

Pity the poor UN UDHR....even more fragile than democracy....    

Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been catastrophic, and may well be the cause of his own downfall, if not Russia's set back for decades.   
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Reply #37 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:41pm
 
Good to see this says 'New World Order' and not 'World Peace' .. in New World Order rich always attack poor as always in history and force them to subjugation ... now is good doing from safe tax haven while permanent tropical holiday with all luxury ..... rape of nations which then lead to rape by nations of own people so government and other bosses can survive in luxury now wide open!!

In history nothing change.... then comes heroic Labor party - who then find lure of easy life and money too hard to reject .... only CFMEU hold out against New Hegemony of Rich Internationalist Apparatchiks ... the New Tsars of all they can see... and even is appointing their own Kommissars!!

People blinded by need for simple sustenance not seeing, comrades... Hunger Games ... reduction of general populace under despotism of Neo-Escalating Comparative Poverty** and living hand to mouth, wherein inflation and costs of living always far exceed rises in income.

Soon 85 year old grandmother Hero of Love Revolution of 1960's needing to sweep street to earn pension and place in Tent City.

(approaching Barstow, you could almost see the high tide mark where the summers of love rose almost to the rim of the Rockies - only to fall back never to return)
...sort of Hunter S Thompson - Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas


**  for stupid ones - Comparative Prosperity/Poverty - when unemployment low, worker in steel mill can come home, have enough income to buy home for family, feed and raise and send to school while wife support effective homestead - is prosperity more even........ when no more steel mill and all parent must struggle to find work in high unemployment and part-employment market and perhaps never earn enough to put deposit on home and then raise family effectively via input from excellent parenting in home along with security of always someone at home for oversight and protection - is not prosperity.... is new form of subjugation by Fat Cats for their benefit ... is poverty ....

Globalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...

Internationalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...
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Reply #38 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:48pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:52am:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
Once again briefly:

1) openness to interaction;
2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability;
3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion;
4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security;
5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world;
6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.


That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.



I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted.

Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused.
No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 -
so he is full of bullshit.

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Reply #39 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:54pm
 
chimera wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.

wha....?
Where did I say I was quoting?
Who was quoted?
What words were false quotes?


Poof, you falsified my post by deliberate misquoting it, we've been through that before.
Now you have to apologize and promise never to do it again.
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Reply #40 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:52am:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
Once again briefly:
otherwise your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.
1) openness to interaction;
2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability;
3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion;
4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security;
5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world;
6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.


That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.



I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted.

Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused.
No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 -
so he is full of bullshit.


Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.
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Reply #41 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.



yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false.

Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but
instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.

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Reply #42 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.



yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false.

Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but
instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.


Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that.

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Reply #43 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:38pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
Good to see this says 'New World Order' and not 'World Peace' .. in New World Order rich always attack poor as always in history and force them to subjugation ... now is good doing from safe tax haven while permanent tropical holiday with all luxury ..... rape of nations which then lead to rape by nations of own people so government and other bosses can survive in luxury now wide open!!


Ah - graps, another individualist without any understanding of international law "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (UN Charter), and no respect for universal rights, as envisioned in the UN UDHR.

In nature, might is indeed right; whereas the UNUDHR defines an alternative proposition where "rich don't attack poor"....

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In history nothing change....


The two great Mediterranean powers Carthage and Rome blindly marched to war, leading to the eventual total destruction of the former; today China and the US are urgently establishing  communication channels to avoid war, certainly neither can destroy the other.   

So history DOES  change....   

Quote:
then comes heroic Labor party -


...who actually do believe in "fairness" (unlike self-interested Conservatives) , but have no idea how to create "an economy which works for all"...while  Conservatives dismiss the very concept, because "poverty is always with is"....


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**  for stupid ones - Comparative Prosperity/Poverty -....



Poor graps' 'personal responsibility' mantra leads him astray as always: see the Henderson poverty line for details.

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Globalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...


Poor graps , confusing freedom from poverty with equality of outcome (ie "spreading the poverty more equally")

The type of globalization practiced by following neoliberal/ neoclassical economists is the cause of win-lose economic development (as opposed to win-win) ; see alternatives eg Keynes'  'clearing union' global trade concept presented at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 (rejected by the US seeking global hegemony after WW2).   

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Internationalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...[/i]



Poor graps: smears internationalization (and the existance of international law) with the same ills besetting trade globalization.   

His low IQ? Or some other failing?
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Re: Putin's Six Principles for a New World Order
Reply #44 - Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:42pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.



yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false.

Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but
instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.


Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that.




Is that Like Danzig?
That's what sparked WW2 in Poland.


Danzig German Speakers 1939

According to the census data and historical records, the Free City of Danzig had a predominantly German-speaking population in 1939. The majority of the inhabitants, approximately 380,000, identified as ethnically German. However, there were also significant minority groups, including:

Polish population: estimated to be around 17,000, making up approximately 4.2% of the total population.
Jewish population: around 3,000, comprising about 0.8% of the total population.
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