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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14342 Armidale Gender:	Re: First results are in. Reply #105 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 6:20pm tallowood wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 6:05pm: Bidens of the gay nazi This is disturbing. The haircuts are so similar and the number of fingers in each fist. Never would Trump raise a fist or become unsettled. Never would Putin lose his smile and gentle outlook. Winners are grinners and Ukrainians are not.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116488 Melbourne Gender:	Re: First results are in. Reply #106 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:07pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 4:30pm: How will Kevin Rudd work out what to do now? My bet is that Rudd is just like Greggy - he's packing his bags.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116488 Melbourne Gender:	Re: First results are in. Reply #107 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:36pm ‘Cowardly’: Kamala Harris fails to concede to her supporters after losing the US election
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Reply #108 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

How will Kevin Rudd work out what to do now?

My bet is that Rudd is just like Greggy -

he's packing his bags. Grin

How long before long-suffering blue-collar workers (who elected Trump) realize Trump can't help them?

Meanwhile, as one Dem strategist on Planet America acknowledged tonight: "we have to convince blue collar and rust belt workers we can lift them to the middle class again".

Problem: mainstream economic orthodoxy hasn't got a clue... winners and losers - according to the dismal science - are a given.

My fear is Trump will wimp out and NOT lower taxes (on everyone) and raise tarrifs...

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Reply #109 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

How will Kevin Rudd work out what to do now?

My bet is that Rudd is just like Greggy -

he's packing his bags. Grin

How long before long-suffering blue-collar workers (who elected Trump) realize Trump can't help them?

Meanwhile, as one Dem strategist on Planet America acknowledged tonight: "we have to convince blue collar and rust belt workers we can lift them to the middle class again".

Problem: mainstream economic orthodoxy hasn't got a clue... winners and losers - according to the dismal science - are a given.

My fear is Trump will wimp out and NOT lower taxes (on everyone) and raise tarrifs...

But -

Rejoice for we are all saved from dying in WW3.

Trump will sort out the 2 wars in Ukraine and Israel
and prevent the nukes from flying.

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Reply #110 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

How will Kevin Rudd work out what to do now?

My bet is that Rudd is just like Greggy -

he's packing his bags. Grin

How long before long-suffering blue-collar workers (who elected Trump) realize Trump can't help them?

Meanwhile, as one Dem strategist on Planet America acknowledged tonight: "we have to convince blue collar and rust belt workers we can lift them to the middle class again".

Problem: mainstream economic orthodoxy hasn't got a clue... winners and losers - according to the dismal science - are a given.

My fear is Trump will wimp out and NOT lower taxes (on everyone) and raise tarrifs...

But -

Rejoice for we are all saved from dying in WW3.

Trump will sort out the 2 wars in Ukraine and Israel
and prevent the nukes from flying.

Yes we can rejoice, but what about the 50% of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, or in junk 'gig-economy' jobs in the rust belt - can they rejoice?

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Reply #111 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Yes we can rejoice, but what about the 50% of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, or in junk 'gig-economy' jobs in the rust belt - can they rejoice?

yes - when Trump deports the 20 million illegal immigrants back over the border to Mexico
there will be plenty of jobs for the poor.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61142 Here Gender:	Re: First results are in. Reply #112 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:55pm Sad day for America and the world. America's first criminal insurrectionist President who doesn't qualify under the 14th amendment to ever be president - or even dog catcher.
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Reply #113 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Yes we can rejoice, but what about the 50% of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, or in junk 'gig-economy' jobs in the rust belt - can they rejoice?

yes - when Trump deports the 20 million illegal immigrants back over the border to Mexico
there will be plenty of jobs for the poor.

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Trump deports the 20 million

Never happen - simply can't.

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Reply #114 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Yes we can rejoice, but what about the 50% of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, or in junk 'gig-economy' jobs in the rust belt - can they rejoice?

yes - when Trump deports the 20 million illegal immigrants back over the border to Mexico
there will be plenty of jobs for the poor.

So Trump increases the number of jobs for Americans; but SK mentioned the inflationary effects of the Smoot -Hawley tarrifs (google it) in the GD, as an example of what happens when you raise tarrifs.

And how is Trump going to increase military spending (for deterrence, as he said tonight), while lowering taxes on the wealthy, and ensuring wages are high enough for blue-collar workers to cover costs of living?

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Reply #115 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

Sad day for America and the world.

America's first criminal insurrectionist President who doesn't qualify under the 14th amendment to ever be president - or even dog catcher.

Trump has won the trifecta:
the Presidency,
the Senate &
the House.

https://edition.cnn.com/

May Q help Trump to start the vengeance.

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Goose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 630	Re: First results are in. Reply #116 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:26pm In this purported free trade world economy of no tariffs, where all the world benefits from no tariffs, have a guess how many countries actually have tariffs in place, right now? Go on guess.............. The truth is, it's a crock of poo!!
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Reply #117 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:45pm

Goose wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

In this purported free trade world economy of no tariffs,

which in mainstream economics is supposed to ensure the greatest economic progress for everyone....

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where all the world benefits from no tariffs, have a guess how many countries actually have tariffs in place, right now?
Go on guess..............

No need to guess: the poorest countries are attempting to stay alive via tariffs.

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Which countries have tariffs?
20 Countries With the Highest Tariffs
Guinea. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.20% ...
Nigeria. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.40% ...
Vanuatu. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.70% ...
Antigua and Barbuda. Tariff Rate (2020): 13.10% ...
Solomon Islands. Tariff Rate (2020): 13.60% ...
Venezuela. Tariff Rate (2020): 14.10% ...
Sierra Leone. Tariff Rate (2020): 14.10% ...
Nauru.
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...

...you get the picture.

But the US is the richest country....

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The truth is, it's crock of poo?

Correct - mainstream economic orthodoxy, that is.

But Trump's tariffs will increase inflation at home, worsening the cost of living crisis in the US.

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Re: First results are in.
Reply #118 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:57pm

Goose wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

In this purported free trade world economy of no tariffs, where all the world benefits from no tariffs, have a guess how many countries actually have tariffs in place, right now?
Go on guess..............

The truth is, it's a crock of poo!!

True when everyone play ss by the rules.
But China and others don't.

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Reply #119 - Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:45pm:

Goose wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

In this purported free trade world economy of no tariffs,

which in mainstream economics is supposed to ensure the greatest economic progress for everyone....

Quote:

where all the world benefits from no tariffs, have a guess how many countries actually have tariffs in place, right now?
Go on guess..............

No need to guess: the poorest countries are attempting to stay alive via tariffs.

(Google)

Which countries have tariffs?
20 Countries With the Highest Tariffs
Guinea. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.20% ...
Nigeria. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.40% ...
Vanuatu. Tariff Rate (2020): 12.70% ...
Antigua and Barbuda. Tariff Rate (2020): 13.10% ...
Solomon Islands. Tariff Rate (2020): 13.60% ...
Venezuela. Tariff Rate (2020): 14.10% ...
Sierra Leone. Tariff Rate (2020): 14.10% ...
Nauru.
More items...•20 Mar 2024

...

...you get the picture.

But the US is the richest country....

Quote:

The truth is, it's crock of poo?

Correct - mainstream economic orthodoxy, that is.

But Trump's tariffs will increase inflation at home, worsening the cost of living crisis in the US.

China cheats.
They should not be in the WTO. Tariffs are a way to adjust for their cheating and dishiponesty.

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