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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #30 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 1:06pm

Yes - but Christianity and Judaism have moved beyond the hatred involved in the early days of desperate struggle .... something reminiscent of the modern Aboriginal trying to find the path between primitive tribal conflict over the water hole and modern life... the Muslims in many cases have not even found the path yet.

But as a man of the cloth you will know that.

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Reply #31 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 1:29pm

My response to the content, of these two posts......

Reply #28
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'Tortured and Raped Multiple Times':
The Persecution of Christians, September 2024

by Raymond Ibrahim
October 27, 2024

"Typically, kidnapped girls in Pakistan, some as young as 10, are abducted, forced to convert to Islam and raped under cover of Islamic 'marriages' and are then pressured to record false statements in favor of the kidnappers...." — morningstarnews.org, September 24, 2024, Pakistan.

Headlines of the "pure genocide" of Christians from the month of September follow.... — Nigeria.

"Muslims who abducted a 17-year-old Christian girl and gang-raped her for 10 days are threatening her family to pressure them to withdraw charges, even as police have failed to arrest most of the suspects." — morningstarnews.com, September 30, 2024, Pakistan.

Muslims murdered, hacked to pieces, and dumped the remains of a Christian man into a Cairo canal.... Mina Musa, 21, had left his family home in Minya for a new job in Cairo.... He was responding to an advertisement on social media to assist an elderly person in Cairo. The notice included the offer of a generous salary, along with broader networking opportunities in the field of physical therapy..... The authorities managed to track the young man down to a Cairo apartment. On breaking in, they found parts of Mina's body.... Last reported, divers were searching in the canal for Mina's head. — copticsolidarity.org, October 5, 2024, Egypt.

"I WILL BOMB THE POPE. I'M A TERRORIST...JUST BE CAREFUL...WAIT FOR NEWS YEEE." — posted on social media, morningstarnews.com, September 10, 2024, Indonesia.

"Khosravi said the main goal of detention isn't always punishment or even to gather information, but to break a prisoner at such a fundamental level that they are shattered permanently.... Another Christian, forced to listen to the cries of a woman screaming in a near-by cell, was convinced by guards that it was his wife being raped repeatedly, he said." — morningstarnews.org, October 1, 2024, Iran.

On September 18, Christian mother of four was sentenced to death on a "blasphemy" conviction.... The reason she was handed the death sentence has less to do with actual evidence and everything to do with extremist pressure groups, Hameed [her lawyer] said... "If you analyze all cases of 295-C, you will see that all the convictions of the trial court are overturned by the superior courts." — morningstarnews.org, September 19, 2024, Pakistan.

"Nearly 3,000 persons have been accused of blasphemy in Pakistan since 1987..." — morningstarnews.org, September 19, 2024, Pakistan.

"These are Christians who are out to convert our people to a wrong religion." — Sheikh Kalimu, Islamic leader, morningstarnews.com, September 23, 2024, Uganda.

"After 1994 [when the Muslim Brotherhood came to power], the authorities tried to make Yemen an Islamic state. They wiped out our identity as Christians and refused to write 'Christian' on documents. Christians had to write either 'Muslim' or leave a blank space.... When I got full marks in Islamic education, they would reduce my grades, because they told me 'a Christian couldn't be equal to a Muslim.'... [A]ll the nuns were later killed.... In 2018, the authorities refused to renew our passports unless we wrote the word 'Islam' in the religion section of the application form, as we were told: 'There are no Christians in Yemen.'" — Badr, Yemeni Catholic woman living in Aden, catholicnewsagency.com, September 25, 2024, Yemen.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21057/persecution-of-christians-september

[the whole article is just a click away.]

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Whenever challenged, many followers of ISLAM will insist.......that ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

And the moslem will tell you......that those followers of ISLAM who commit atrocities against disbelievers,
do so, because they do not understand what ISLAM teaches.

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Uganda: Muslims burn Christian pastor and his family to death after he led three Muslims to faith in Christ

Uganda: Muslim woman converts to Christianity, her husband pours battery acid on her

Burkina Faso: Jihadis murder at least 150 people in jihad raid, kill the wounded in hospital the next day

Somalia: Muslim converts to Christianity, his relatives hit, slap, and cut him, warn him of ‘terrible trouble’

Nigeria: Muslims murder four Christians in Benue state

Iran: Nearly 80-year-old Christian gets prison for ‘Christian publications with the aim of attracting Muslims’

Uganda: Muslims screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ brutally beat evangelist for speaking about Christianity with Muslims

Yemen: Muslims pressure Christians to conform to Islamic law

Mali: Islamic jihadis tell Christians to convert to Islam, pay a tax, or leave the area

Nigeria: Muslims murder five Christians, three who were at church services

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/muslim-persecution-of-christians

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #33 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm

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The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament both contain narratives, poems, and instructions which describe, encourage, command, condemn, reward, punish and regulate violent actions by God,[1] individuals, groups, governments, and nation-states. Among the violent acts referred to are war, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, murder, rape, genocide, and criminal punishment.[2]: Introduction Violence is defined around four main areas: that which damages the environment, dishonest or oppressive speech, and issues of justice and purity. War is a special category of violence that is addressed in four different ways including pacifism, non-resistance, just war and crusade.

The biblical narrative has a history of interpretation within Abrahamic religions and Western culture that have used the texts for both justification of and opposition to acts of violence.[3] There are a wide variety of views interpreting biblical texts on violence theologically and sociologically. The problem of evil, violence against women, the absence of violence in the story of creation, the presence of Shalom (peace), the nature of Hell, and the emergence of replacement theology are all aspects of these differing views.

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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #34 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 9:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

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The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament both contain narratives, poems, and instructions which describe, encourage, command, condemn, reward, punish and regulate violent actions by God,[1] individuals, groups, governments, and nation-states. Among the violent acts referred to are war, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, murder, rape, genocide, and criminal punishment.[2]: Introduction Violence is defined around four main areas: that which damages the environment, dishonest or oppressive speech, and issues of justice and purity. War is a special category of violence that is addressed in four different ways including pacifism, non-resistance, just war and crusade.

The biblical narrative has a history of interpretation within Abrahamic religions and Western culture that have used the texts for both justification of and opposition to acts of violence.[3] There are a wide variety of views interpreting biblical texts on violence theologically and sociologically. The problem of evil, violence against women, the absence of violence in the story of creation, the presence of Shalom (peace), the nature of Hell, and the emergence of replacement theology are all aspects of these differing views.

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Cite where Jewish texts mention anything about muslims or Islam Roll Eyes

Cite where Christian texts mention anything about muslims or Islam Roll Eyes

Plenty of Islamic texts preaching hatred towards non muslims.

Listen to these Islamic preachers on the Jews
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Islamic imperialists have been killing Jews for 1,400 years. That is the precedent Muhammad set with the Jewish tribes of Arabia. Western observers must stop blaming #Israel for the atrocities of #Hamas. Their hatred of Jews is religious in nature, as their clerics openly admit.

https://x.com/Ex_Muslims_Irl/status/1710928016698982743

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #35 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 10:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

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The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament both contain narratives, poems, and instructions which describe, encourage, command, condemn, reward, punish and regulate violent actions by God,[1] individuals, groups, governments, and nation-states. Among the violent acts referred to are war, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, murder, rape, genocide, and criminal punishment.[2]: Introduction Violence is defined around four main areas: that which damages the environment, dishonest or oppressive speech, and issues of justice and purity. War is a special category of violence that is addressed in four different ways including pacifism, non-resistance, just war and crusade.

The biblical narrative has a history of interpretation within Abrahamic religions and Western culture that have used the texts for both justification of and opposition to acts of violence.[3] There are a wide variety of views interpreting biblical texts on violence theologically and sociologically. The problem of evil, violence against women, the absence of violence in the story of creation, the presence of Shalom (peace), the nature of Hell, and the emergence of replacement theology are all aspects of these differing views.

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Cite where Jewish texts mention anything about muslims or Islam Roll Eyes

Cite where Christian texts mention anything about muslims or Islam Roll Eyes

Plenty of Islamic texts preaching hatred towards non muslims.

None are so blind as those who will not see, Baron.

John 15:18: "If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first"

Psalm 137: “Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock”

Ecclesiastes 3:8 "A time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace"

Revelation 2:6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87499 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher Reply #36 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:09pm So where does it mention Mussos?
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87499 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher Reply #37 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:25pm Besides, lads - it's 2024 - not 700 AD .... or 3000 BC or something... Did you know I'm descended from a grandson of Noah, which means of Noah as well? Interesting, innit...
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31255 Gender:	Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher Reply #38 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 6:05am Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 1:33pm: Yaddaism is the most hateful cult on Ozpolitic. Shut up you terrorist supporting idiot.
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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #39 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 10:23am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

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The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament both contain narratives, poems, and instructions which describe, encourage, command, condemn, reward, punish and regulate violent actions by God,[1] individuals, groups, governments, and nation-states. Among the violent acts referred to are war, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, murder, rape, genocide, and criminal punishment.[2]: Introduction Violence is defined around four main areas: that which damages the environment, dishonest or oppressive speech, and issues of justice and purity. War is a special category of violence that is addressed in four different ways including pacifism, non-resistance, just war and crusade.

The biblical narrative has a history of interpretation within Abrahamic religions and Western culture that have used the texts for both justification of and opposition to acts of violence.[3] There are a wide variety of views interpreting biblical texts on violence theologically and sociologically. The problem of evil, violence against women, the absence of violence in the story of creation, the presence of Shalom (peace), the nature of Hell, and the emergence of replacement theology are all aspects of these differing views.

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Which do you think does more to promote violence, racism and hate - the Quran or the Bible?

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Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher
Reply #40 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 11:07am

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 10:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

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The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament both contain narratives, poems, and instructions which describe, encourage, command, condemn, reward, punish and regulate violent actions by God,[1] individuals, groups, governments, and nation-states. Among the violent acts referred to are war, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, murder, rape, genocide, and criminal punishment.[2]: Introduction Violence is defined around four main areas: that which damages the environment, dishonest or oppressive speech, and issues of justice and purity. War is a special category of violence that is addressed in four different ways including pacifism, non-resistance, just war and crusade.

The biblical narrative has a history of interpretation within Abrahamic religions and Western culture that have used the texts for both justification of and opposition to acts of violence.[3] There are a wide variety of views interpreting biblical texts on violence theologically and sociologically. The problem of evil, violence against women, the absence of violence in the story of creation, the presence of Shalom (peace), the nature of Hell, and the emergence of replacement theology are all aspects of these differing views.

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Which do you think does more to promote violence, racism and hate - the Quran or the Bible?

There's no suggestion in the Quran of "turning the other cheek". Grin

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44063	Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher Reply #41 - Nov 1^st, 2024 at 11:17am I'll accept your white flag, Yadda. You haven't replied to this thread for 24 hours. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #42 - Nov 1^st, 2024 at 11:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Yadda, would you like a comparison between Christianity and Islam? I doubt it, 'cause just as there is some hatred in the Q'uran there is ample hatred in the Bible. Are you willing to own and admit to that hatred? I doubt it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The equivalence is false for many reasons.

The OT descriptions of violence are about the Jewish wars of conquest and defence of Israel. They describe historical events, enmities, struggles with enemies who have mostly disappeared since. The Koran describes internal wars among the Arabs and against Jews who still exist, which are ongoing for ever until the Koran final solution. THAT enmity against the Jews and disbelievers is ongoing today and for ever. The instruction to kill and oppress them is alive and valid now and forever, and for every place on earth, not just for Araby in the 7th century. So much for the difference between the Jews and Muslims.

As for the difference between Christians and Muslims, you need to take into account the NT which has NO instructions or teachings on war and violence for the followers of Jesus, quite the opposite, it explicitly teaches love and non-violence specifically for the time and place (Roman occupation and oppression) and for ever and everywhere.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51017 Gender:	Re: Jewish Leaders sue Muslim 'hate' preacher Reply #43 - Nov 1^st, 2024 at 11:41am Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1^st, 2024 at 11:17am: I'll accept your white flag, Yadda. You haven't replied to this thread for 24 hours. Tsk, tsk, tsk... You can shove your 'white flags' up yer Khyber, you shifty little pseudo-intellctual ijit.
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