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Oct 24th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
A man has a placard showing a swastika on an Israel flag as a Palestinian protest. He is convicted for 'knowingly display Nazi flags or memorabilia that bears swastikas without a reasonable excuse'. His action was the direct opposite of what the law applies to.  The placard is shown on TV news so the media and the government minister for communication would also be liable. Any image of it on Ozpol can send you to jail, if it's seen on your pc. 
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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 11:07pm
 
Why did the fascist cross the road?

Too catch the bus to Adelaide
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“How many Nazis does it take to change a light bulb?

8 million. One to change the bulb and the rest to run the civil service, courts, police, military and every other facet of the West Germany state.”

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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 11:41pm
 
chimera wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 2:57pm:
A man has a placard showing a swastika on an Israel flag as a Palestinian protest. He is convicted for 'knowingly display Nazi flags or memorabilia that bears swastikas without a reasonable excuse'. His action was the direct opposite of what the law applies to.  The placard is shown on TV news so the media and the government minister for communication would also be liable. Any image of it on Ozpol can send you to jail, if it's seen on your pc. 


OK. This is pretty offensive to Jews, and I don't think they're a protected class. It's just offensive.

Added to that, is that the display of the swastika other than in a historical treatise, should be simply illegal. Australia should be like Germany and make all Nazi or neo-Nazi symbols illegal.

Hell we ban bikie symbols. They're just bikies, they beat a few people up, they deal in drugs and guns. They're momma's boys compared to actual Nazis.

A bit of oppression is justified, to prevent the ultimate oppression. Let them squeal about the freedom of expression. If they really think free speech matters more than the rights of other people to not be intimidated, perhaps they should bugger off to America.
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Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:31am
 
So offensive political comments should be oppressed? You're really against that freedom? Ozpol would be half deleted.

The bad logic of banning anti-swastika opinions means that swastika can't be criticised. If the convicted man is fined, it would only be for insulting Israel. The man is not promoting nazis. The conviction suggests a fascist attitude in protecting Israel. News reports by Jews say the sign demeans the holocaust but attacking Jews wasn't the main reason for WWII and 6mill Poles and 27mill Russians died as well, by the swastikas.

I wonder if a sign against Hamas being a swastika force would bring a conviction under this law.
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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:45am
 

The law is ridiculous -
you can go to jail for putting your hand up to hail a taxi.

The Govt have become the Nazis themselves.

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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:53am
 
Giving the one-finger gesture to a nazi could get jail-time.
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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:58am
 
chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:31am:
So offensive political comments should be oppressed? You're really against that freedom? Ozpol would be half deleted.

The bad logic of banning anti-swastika opinions means that swastika can't be criticised. If the convicted man is fined, it would only be for insulting Israel. The man is not promoting nazis. The conviction suggests a fascist attitude in protecting Israel. News reports by Jews say the sign demeans the holocaust but attacking Jews wasn't the main reason for WWII and 6mill Poles and 27mill Russians died as well, by the swastikas.

I wonder if a sign against Hamas being a swastika force would bring a conviction under this law.


Was it a comment?

Should terrorist group supporters be allowed to wear the insignia of said terrorist groups and wave the terrorist groups flags on our streets and on our University campuses?
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Gnads wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:58am:
Was it a comment?

Easy enough to find.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-pleads-guilty-displaying-nazi...
The guy is anti nazi.
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:45am:
The law is ridiculous -
you can go to jail for putting your hand up to hail a taxi.



christ you're an idiot
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Reply #10 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am
 
Not really. The NSW conviction makes it possible for taxi seig heil.
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Reply #11 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am
 
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

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Reply #12 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:47am
 
chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Not really. The NSW conviction makes it possible for taxi seig heil.


about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough
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Reply #13 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:53am
 
The law is as silly as banning the finger symbol of shooting a pistol with fore-finger as barrel. Or the neck-cutting sign. Or Thorpe's fist as if these can injure people.
(Man rushes into Emergency, says his neck is bleeding from cut-throat gesture)
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Reply #14 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:55am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:47am:
about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough


'holding a sign that replaced the Star of David on the Israeli flag with a blue swastika, accompanied by the words “Stop Nazi Israel.”
Hailing a taxi is imperious and authoritative, giving an order which is to be obeyed, now!
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Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:55am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:47am:
chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Not really. The NSW conviction makes it possible for taxi seig heil.


about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough



Lot of arm flapping goes on around here - wait for the return of skanka and methra ... they still haven't told us where they hid Aussie's body.... poor Aussie went off the deep end when he  - as a lawyer - condemned The Deuce on the single piece of evidence ..... nothing else of any kind... knowing full well that was totally insufficient for any real conviction...

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Reply #16 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 8:33am
 
chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:58am:
Was it a comment?

Easy enough to find.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-pleads-guilty-displaying-nazi...
The guy is anti nazi.


Grin Yeah he's anti- nazi but pro-terrorist Hezbollah .... a tad of hypocrisy there.

So if he shouldn't have been before the courts for the NAZI - symbol .. he should have for the terrorist group signs.

Justice served.
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Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 8:38am
 
chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:55am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:47am:
about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough


'holding a sign that replaced the Star of David on the Israeli flag with a blue swastika, accompanied by the words “Stop Nazi Israel.”
Hailing a taxi is imperious and authoritative, giving an order which is to be obeyed, now!


A Hezbollah/Hamas terrorist supporter holding a sign with a Swastika saying Stop Nazi Israel?

Oh the irony and the hypocrisy. Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2024 at 8:59am
 
Gnads wears his swastika inside his head.
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A man has a placard showing a swastika on an Israel flag as a Palestinian protest.


Adolf like that

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Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

https://www.militaryimages.net/data/xfmg/thumbnail/6/6730-e0a0d9ee9a9791a73ebf43...


Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?
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SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:46am:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

https://www.militaryimages.net/data/xfmg/thumbnail/6/6730-e0a0d9ee9a9791a73ebf43...

Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?

It still means what it did before the Nazis came to power.
Millions of people use it particularly in India where it is a familiar symbol on shops, taxis and people’s front doors.
To ban it is to give in to a wrong that panders to Naziism.

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Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2024 at 8:00pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:46am:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

https://www.militaryimages.net/data/xfmg/thumbnail/6/6730-e0a0d9ee9a9791a73ebf43...

Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?

It still means what it did before the Nazis came to power.
Millions of people use it particularly in India where it is a familiar symbol on shops, taxis and people’s front doors.
To ban it is to give in to a wrong that panders to Naziism.



Feelings over facts, please. Feelings can get hurt, facts cannot. Cry

Edit: Would it be cultural imperialism to base the view of the swastika on a relatively new European paradigm rather than acknowledge it's ancient heritage? Is SK a Cultural Imperialist?
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Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2024 at 8:09pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:46am:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

https://www.militaryimages.net/data/xfmg/thumbnail/6/6730-e0a0d9ee9a9791a73ebf43...


Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?


How do you make that equation?  Everyone knows what it means NOW - I was discussing its history and what a loss to culture it was when it was stolen by the Nazis. 

"After World War Two, blue swastikas on aircraft were replaced by blue and white roundels, while the emblem was used in the Finnish Air Force logo until 2017, when it changed the swastika with wings to a golden eagle with a circle of wings, according to 2020 reports"

What IS the matter with you?
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Interesting???

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How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29644591#:~:text=In%20the%20ancient%20Indian%2...

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Reply #25 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:28am
 
The communist ban of 1950 was rejected so banning the hammer and sickle didn't arise. It's not banned today. The bad logic in prohibiting a design shows a shallow way of thinking, just as banning ideas is weak.
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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 7:35am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:46am:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it....  Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

https://www.militaryimages.net/data/xfmg/thumbnail/6/6730-e0a0d9ee9a9791a73ebf43...

Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?

It still means what it did before the Nazis came to power.
Millions of people use it particularly in India where it is a familiar symbol on shops, taxis and people’s front doors.
To ban it is to give in to a wrong that panders to Naziism.



I never said I was in favour of banning it.

And even if that was my stance, we're not talking about banning it in India.

I spoke about this over far too many beers with a German friend of mine a while back.  His stance was, most of that iconography is banned back home, from the swastika to nazi slogans.  They recently (actually this was before Covid, so not that recently...) lifted the bad on video games that included that content, like Battlefield or any of those era themed games which he was at least pleased about.

But he knows their history, it's properly taught at school, and while he sympathised for those who use it innocently and not as a symbol the Nazis, given the insidious nature of the Nazi cause and what it's morphed into today, he saw their rights to display it as less important than stopping the white supremacists from using it.

I'll admit to being swayed by his views on the matter, despite being more of a free-speech absolutist myself.

My time on these forums has also impacted my thoughts on this. 

I've seen how the likes of Crappler will disparage an entire race of people, calling for them to be imprisoned and hunted for sport, wishing they were wiped out by the British during colonisation or advocating for their genocide being easier than dealing with them today, so to see him come out and start defending the use of it, even with legitimate historical references, it leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth knowing the vild piece of poo he is, coming out defending the use of the swastika.

It's hard to separate those two things.  This looks more like a wolf in sheep's clothing continuing to push his agenda of hate.

He's posted images of the swastika multiple times to try to accuse those who supported The Voice as being in support of the Nazi ideals, so he knows what it means which only furthers the idea that he's being disingenuous as always.

Hence my question to him:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:46am:
Surely you can understand the difference between what it was then and what it represents now?
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chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:58am:
Was it a comment?

Easy enough to find.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-pleads-guilty-displaying-nazi...
The guy is anti nazi.


Bit of an irony seeings he's a terrorist supporter.

In fact I'd say his/their ideas in regards to Israeli Jews is very much like the Nazis.

Hypocrite??
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This is not photoshop

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The Hitler mustache must be banned. He bad man. Bad mustache.
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Nah that's measuring his nose, nein? Kim Jong Un bans anyone from having his style haircut. The US detected commies by asking them at the airport 'Have you ever been communist?'  A few sneaked in by saying 'no' but their left wings soon exposed them. Nazis are found when they chant 'swastika good' in their sleep or draw the star of David with a line through it.
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The size doesn't really matter as much as you might think.
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