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'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:27pm

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/uk-court-delivers-first-ever-thought-crime-conviction...

UK Court Delivers First Ever ‘Thought Crime’ Conviction in British History

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October 17, 2024

A UK court this week has issued the first ever ‘thought crime’ conviction in British criminal history after finding an army veteran guilty of ‘illegally’ praying to God in his own mind.

Adam Smith-Connor, who served in Afghanistan,
was arrested for breaching a ban on protests within a buffer zone around a clinic in Bournemouth, Dorset, in November 2022. His crime was standing in silent prayer outside the clinic for his unborn son Jacob, whom he now regrets aborting more than two decades ago.

Infowars.com reports: Reporting on the case, the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) legal advocacy group said the conviction was “the first known conviction of a ‘thoughtcrime’ in modern British history.”

It added that Smith-Connor must now pay £9,000 (€10,770)
in legal costs to the prosecution,
just for praying in his head for three minutes.

The group is examining the possibility of appealing the conviction.

During the trial at Poole Magistrates’ Court, Smith-Connor denied the offence of failing to comply with the Public Space Protection Order, but District Judge Orla Austin said that what he did was “deliberate.”

The news comes as Keir Starmer’s Labour government is considering rolling out a ban on silent prayer outside abortion clinics.

Ahead of the ruling, Lois McLatchie Miller, who is communications officer at ADF UK, described the case as “era-defining,” adding:

Either you can be tried and convicted for the beliefs you hold in your head, or you can’t.

It turns out that you can.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 113700 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:35pm I wonder when thought crimes will be here in Australia?
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK Reply #2 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:41pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:35pm: I wonder when thought crimes will be here in Australia? I wonder. Is wondering a thought? If the law is backdated Bobby will have to turn himself in.
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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #3 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:43pm

Hyperbole

hyperbole = = deliberate exaggeration, not meant to be taken literally.

If we need to pray, sincerely, we can, .......anyone can, anywhere.

It is called a heart prayer.

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Turn now........

Love God.

Love God's righteousness.

Be at peace.

Q.
What is God's righteousness ?

What is, its worth ?

You need to search that out.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:44pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:35pm:

I wonder when thought crimes will be here in Australia?

I wonder. Is wondering a thought? If the law is backdated Bobby will have to turn himself in.

So will you -

you had a thought once that you didn't like Bibi - that's a crime.

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:52pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Hyperbole

hyperbole = = deliberate exaggeration, not meant to be taken literally.

If we need to pray, sincerely, we can, .......anyone can, anywhere.

It is called a heart prayer.

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

.

Turn now........

Love God.

Love God's righteousness.

Be at peace.

Q.
What is God's righteousness ?

What is, its worth ?

You need to search that out.

You have too many religious thoughts - you're guilty.

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Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:52pm:

You have too many religious thoughts - you're guilty.

Blessings bobby.

I read the Bible. KJV

I find that scripture always 'informs' my worldview.

To me, i count that a good thing.

Guilty.

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"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night."

Psalms KJV

I love God, i love His law.

Guilty.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:09pm

I see reason for this charge.
He was outside an abortion clinic where his unborn son was aborted - 20 years ago, still.
He had been ordered to not do it again.

It's not that he was silently praying.
He can go to a park or to a city and do that.
It is that he was obsessed and not behaving anywhere near normally after 20 years.
It would have been threatening and unsettling to the business, workers and customers.

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:11pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:52pm:

You have too many religious thoughts - you're guilty.

Blessings bobby.

I read the Bible. KJV

I find that scripture always 'informs' my worldview.

To me, i count that a good thing.

Guilty.

.

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night."

Psalms KJV

I love God, i love His law.

Guilty.

But it will be a crime soon.

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Reply #9 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:12pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:09pm:

I see reason for this charge.
He was outside an abortion clinic where his unborn son was aborted - 20 years ago, still.
He had been ordered to not do it again.

It's not that he was silently praying.
He can go to a park or to a city and do that.
It is that he was obsessed and not behaving anywhere near normally after 20 years.
It would have been threatening and unsettling to the business, workers and customers.

WTF? - he was standing there closing his eyes.

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Reply #10 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:52pm:

You have too many religious thoughts - you're guilty.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:11pm:

.....it will be a crime soon.

bobby,

Australia is not a 'concentration camp' yet.

But......

"But it will be a crime soon."

If so......

I'm already a geriatric bobby.

I'm older than king David.

I'm going to die soon bobby, [.......relatively]. [....probably, sometime in the next 20 years. Wink

......or so.]

Under the regime that you describe, ....i will be imprisoned.

Or, i will be executed.

Dead.

It will come to us all bobby. [wink]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #11 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 11:00pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

I'm going to die soon bobby, [.......relatively]. [....probably, sometime in the next 20 years. Wink

......or so.]

bobby [about 45 yrs old],

If i don't post for a day or two on OzPol.....a few of you on OzPol may fear the worst.

And you could be correct.

But then, .....in a week or two after that, i may post again on OzPol,
only having being 'diverted' and distracted, by something in the RW.

Grin

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #12 - Oct 21^st, 2024 at 5:26am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/uk-court-delivers-first-ever-thought-crime-conviction...

UK Court Delivers First Ever ‘Thought Crime’ Conviction in British History

Fact checked by The People's Voice Community
October 17, 2024

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/thought-crime-678x381.jpg

A UK court this week has issued the first ever ‘thought crime’ conviction in British criminal history after finding an army veteran guilty of ‘illegally’ praying to God in his own mind.

Adam Smith-Connor, who served in Afghanistan,
was arrested for breaching a ban on protests within a buffer zone around a clinic in Bournemouth, Dorset, in November 2022. His crime was standing in silent prayer outside the clinic for his unborn son Jacob, whom he now regrets aborting more than two decades ago.

Infowars.com reports: Reporting on the case, the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) legal advocacy group said the conviction was “the first known conviction of a ‘thoughtcrime’ in modern British history.”

It added that Smith-Connor must now pay £9,000 (€10,770)
in legal costs to the prosecution,
just for praying in his head for three minutes.

The group is examining the possibility of appealing the conviction.

During the trial at Poole Magistrates’ Court, Smith-Connor denied the offence of failing to comply with the Public Space Protection Order, but District Judge Orla Austin said that what he did was “deliberate.”

The news comes as Keir Starmer’s Labour government is considering rolling out a ban on silent prayer outside abortion clinics.

Ahead of the ruling, Lois McLatchie Miller, who is communications officer at ADF UK, described the case as “era-defining,” adding:

Either you can be tried and convicted for the beliefs you hold in your head, or you can’t.

It turns out that you can.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bournemouth-christchurch-u...

Dont be an idiot

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Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK
Reply #13 - Oct 21^st, 2024 at 6:16am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 5:26am:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bournemouth-christchurch-u...

Dont be an idiot

Spot

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bournemouth-christchurch-u...

Although the term “thought crime” was first used in the 1930s, it was popularised in George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, where “thinking in opposition to the regime is a treacherous offence”.

Prayer is not considered a crime under English law, with sittings in both Houses of Parliament beginning with Christian prayers. However there are certain circumstances, as outlined in this particular Public Space Protection Order, where it can be a punishable act.

Protection zones of 150 metres around abortion clinics have also been granted under a new safeguarding measure introduced by the Government starting from October 31. The Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynaecologists welcomed this measure, but has also specified a hope that legal guidelines will “not … permit silent prayer as an exemption” in these zones.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77853 Gender:	Re: 'Thought Crime’ Conviction in UK Reply #14 - Oct 21^st, 2024 at 7:32am Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:12pm: WTF? - he was standing there closing his eyes. As a form of protest you dumb carrnt ... AFTER he'd been ordered not to. There's a reason he opted to do it there.
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