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Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:52pm
 
... I wish some of those turkeys would lose their far ken voice.... put all their eggs in one basket and then dropped it ... just a lack of understanding - sure was... a total lack of understanding that the fair-minded Australian public would reject both Apartheid and Aboriginal Supremacism ....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/all-their-eggs-in-one-basket-one-year-on-fr...

"One year on from the failed Voice referendum, Minister for Indigenous Australians Malarndirri McCarthy has blamed the result on a lack of understanding.

However, two prominent Indigenous ‘No’ campaigners have told Sky News they believe the whole process was a waste of time.

Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Price said the Albanese government "put all their eggs in one basket" and have done nothing to fix Indigenous disadvantage.
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Reply #1 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:50pm
 
Just saw St Calma doing his dogma bit on ABC.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .... the same old one way 'truth-telling', references to atrocities all one way (forget the butchered women and kids etc), claiming the support of the dildo groups (not even real pricks) who are 'door-knocking' and such (nothing better to do), claiming support all over the place....  enough to put you to sleep.

Wilkie puts in his two cents:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-issues-avoided-after-voice-r...

"The federal government has been avoiding taking action on Indigenous issues since the Voice to parliament referendum was defeated, independent MP Andrew Wilkie has claimed.

In a statement published today, a year after 60 per cent of Australians voted against the constitutional amendment, the long-serving MP accused the government of not doing enough to address the issues facing First Nations peoples.

"It's been one year since the unsuccessful Voice referendum and the federal government still seems to be avoiding Indigenous issues," Wilkie said.

"Indeed, according to the latest Productivity Commission report, only five of the 19 Closing the Gap targets are on track and some are even going backwards."

Both Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton committed to improving the lives of Indigenous people after last year's October 14 referendum was defeated.

"A great nation like ours can and must do better for the first Australians," Albanese said.

"And while there has been talk in recent times about division, let us now cooperate to address the real division."


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Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:04am
 
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You most certainly are
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Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
Gotta watch those treacherous politicians and their Voice by Stealth using the states as their stalking horses.... the next incoming governments and the people will be best served by instantly abolishing all such moves, and moving on quickly while the press raves and rants and then moves on ... just like Israel would have been better served on the world stage by demolishing Gaza in two weeks and moving on.

The press and that idiot in the UN would have long moved on by now - and fewer Israelis would have been killed and injured.  Give 'em one week to vacate the rump still 'held' by Ham-ass, be searched and validated for removal to a safe area - then bomb it flat and turn it into a parking lot.... a Street Without Goy.

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Reply #4 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:19pm
 
I'll attempt a good faith response, and we'll see how it goes.

(Again, I'm willing to edit out the 'good faith' if you can provide me with an alternative that you don't find 'abusive')

Let's just start with a reminder of terms.  The Voice, despite what some people would claim, was not a generic term given to the attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.

The proposal was clear: an advisory body aimed at giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples a formal role in influencing policy and legislation affecting their communities in Australia.

It sought to create a constitutionally enshrined, permanent mechanism through which Indigenous peoples could offer their views and advice to the federal government, particularly on matters related to Indigenous affairs. That was the essence of it.

Yet, many opponents within Parliamen, the wider public and even this forum, claimed their objection wasn't to improve the lives of Indigenous Australians, but to the method: enshrining such a body in the Constitution.

Some, like Dutton, offered alternative promises, such as a second referendum on "regional voices" and the symbolic recognition of First Australians, should the Voice referendum fail. Predictably, once the referendum was defeated, these promises evaporated.

It was nothing but a deceitful tactic designed to placate those with reservations about constitutional change, assuring them that a "No" vote wouldn't mark the end of efforts to amplify Indigenous voices. But that promise was nothing more than a strategic lie.

Then there were those who opposed the Voice under the absurd belief that it would strip them of their rights and transfer them to Indigenous Australians, a ridiculous notion that defies logic, yet one that managed to gain traction.

Others exploited the debate to disguise their own white supremacist views, using the Voice referendum as a pretext for airing racially motivated arguments. Once the referendum concluded and the Voice was defeated, they were left scrambling to maintain that veneer of "genuine debate."

They now perpetuate the baseless narrative of an ongoing "Voice by stealth," desperate to resurrect the shield that masked their prejudice.

Turning to Grappler's point: since the referendum’s failure, there have been attempts to frame any legislative effort to help Indigenous Australians as the so-called "Voice by stealth."

Grappler, I pose this question to you: if Labor were indeed failing to listen to Indigenous voices, would you support legislative or policy changes if they were guided by Indigenous perspectives now?

Or would you continue to dismiss these efforts as just another manifestation of the Voice you opposed?

What exactly do you stand for - helping Indigenous communities or just opposing the mechanisms by which they might be heard?
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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:28pm
 
give it a rest skippy.

the voice would have been a way of providing a bunch of ueseless beareaucratic scandinavian looking 'aboriginals" with a teaspoon of aboriginal blood, the opportunity to earn a high 6 figure income for doing abso-fing-lutely nothing constructive.

anyone who has ever been to a remote community knows that the bigger the bearaucracy , the bigger the problem.

just let them be and nurture those you interact with.

and if, like 99 % of urban dwellers , you have no intention of ever interacting except as a part of the chattering classes, then the best thing to do is to STFU


look at all these fwits on their 'sorry  march'

i bet 99 % of them went for a latte and an avacado on toast afterwards and have never left sydney except to go skiing in NZ or drinking in bali  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
give it a rest skippy.

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the best thing to do is to STFU

look at all these fwits on their 'sorry  march'

i bet 99 % of them went for a latte and an avacado on toast afterwards and have never left sydney except to go skiing in NZ or drinking in bali  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I understand that my response may not have directly addressed you Scoot, but it's worth noting that this type of reaction often arises when we attempt to engage in good faith discussions within this sub forum.

Let’s see if Grappler can provide a more constructive perspective this time.
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm
 
Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again.

Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ...

Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are....

In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:34pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again.

Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ...

Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are....

In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?


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Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic.

You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans
(Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:34pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again.

Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ...

Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are....

In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?


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Still at it Kanga


Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic.

You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans
(Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.


OH?  Then how come so many of my posts are responses to his assertions?

Read through again - you are correct - he rarely addresses the issues - always the man - but I'm training him.
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Reply #10 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
Do yourself two favours, Jimbo -

1.  See that I have posted news links about the attempted resurgence of the voice - which all indicate the surge is coming from the crying YES camp - and have then only responded to comments from others.  This is like that idiot Leftie - experts at breaking down discussion and ranting.

2.  Have a look at Skanka's profile and last few posts before you come in with a silly comment... he's been doing the same thing post after post - just can't help self in starting off with insult and slight of others... just like Leftie...... and who is this 'WE' that he let out of the bag?

Let me help you there with your 'two' posts'... if you could go ten to 25 you would find many more - get with it, lad:-

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=usersrecentposts;username=sadkang...


See how they run like pigs from a gun....
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Reply #11 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am
 
The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL!

On top of that - as a clear example - we've seen how 'mission' and 'interpretation' CREEP has created of 'native title' rights - to shared usage and traditional wandering and camping - absolute freehold title to vast swathes of land on demand for zero payment while everyone else struggles to find a rental and lives more and more in Tent City.  An absolute recipe for division, Apartheid, social disaster and future Civil War.

THAT is 'mission and interpretation creep' brought about by having too much power - bordering on absolute since few have the funds to contest it in court (lawfare at its worst and lowest) - in the hands of faceless bureaucrats put in place out of the Old Mates' Club via appointment and not promotion into the top spots in the public service....... contracted 'employees' who are 'chosen' for their adherence to 'the narrative' and 'the agenda' already - and who then obey without question the dictates of their 'political masters' to impose that narrative and agenda upon the people.

You see the utter disaster looming for Queensland due to this imposition by public servant appointed, in the pushing forward of massive 'freehold' giftings to small and non-contiguous groups of 'Aborigines' or 'Aboriginal Claimants' .... something any future government will have a very hard time unraveling to restore reason and fairness, equality, equal rights, and equal dealing under law.  DIVISION, Apartheid, special rights ....and undeniably so.

How then guarantee that Mission Creep will NOT take place with any 'voice'?  One thing is guaranteed - it WILL take place over and over until the original concept is unrecognisable.

The best solution for Queenslanders is to secede and form new states of their own and make those decisions for themselves, and not leave them to the Kommissars in Brisdrain - those eddicated in the social science fantasies and steeped in the modern political and social Madness.  Aborasia will have to move because they can't have the spaceport (Cape Scottaveral) ... over to the West to what is shown as West Malaria looks good for the task.... great place for Gondwanamo (Gon'Mo) Bay... hot, nasty, muddy, air you could put through a water filter to remove the impurities, mangroves, crocodilia, skeeters, and in future wild natives - that'll keep the inmates inside the walls - no walls here, the prison IS the walls- while providing needed income for the Aborasia state......

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Reply #12 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:34pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again.

Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ...

Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are....

In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?


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Still at it Kanga


Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic.

You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans
(Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.



good grief

10 posts. Grin Grin

would you describe gwegs 114,000 posts of "child rapist who stole from charity' as manic?
would you describe  sprints 100 new threads on trump, in several of which he posts to himself at 2 in the morning  as manic ?
would describe fisks 1000's of posts ending in WITCH HUNT as manic?

10 posts!!!

will the left ever be able to give up their blatant hypocricy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:57pm
 

What would Blair Cottrell say?


https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.
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Reply #14 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am:
The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL


I wish I hadn’t brushed off your little "art project" post the first time around and actually read it...

Am I really to believe that, because we have differing opinions, you genuinely think there’s a Labor-funded conspiracy against you?

All this just because people don’t agree with your baseless interpretation of the Voice and your contradictory arguments?

Do you honestly think you're that significant to garner such a targeted campaign?

I know you thrive on playing the victim, but this is starting to border on delusion.
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