Australian Politics Forum - Climate change and national borders

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Climate change and national borders Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 4:34pm Switzerland's borders are shifting as climate change moves mountains and melts glaciers
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21498 Gender:	Re: Climate change and national borders Reply #1 - Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 4:49pm And of course the climate has never changed before, so the borders were fixed.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60389 Gender:	Re: Climate change and national borders Reply #2 - Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 7:52pm
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 26224 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Climate change and national borders Reply #3 - Oct 6^th, 2024 at 2:35am You can say that climate change is real when even Swiss mountains are switching national allegiances.
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Reply #4 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 8:11am

Climate change racket news:

China has led a call for developed countries, including Australia, to provide more than $US1.3 trillion ($1.8 trillion) a year to developing nations because of climate change.

The demand was made at the UN COP29 meeting in Baku, Azerbaijan, where countries have agreed to update an existing pledge of $100bn a year.

Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has been nominated to play a key role in the negotiations for what has been called the New Collective Quantified Goal.

Environment groups had called for a target of $US1 trillion a year. But a group of 77 developing countries, led by China, called for $US1.3 trillion a year in new, additional, adequate and affordable finance to address mitigation, adaptation and loss and damage.

A group of least developed countries wants at least $220bn a year and small island states, including Pacific nations, want a minimum of $39bn a year.

South American countries have yet to set a figure. China is not legally expected to contribute to the fund because it is considered a developing country.
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It is a shake-down racket.

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Reply #5 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am

'..in 2019, China’s annual emissions exceeded those of all developed countries combined. China alone contributed over 27% of total global emissions, far exceeding the US—the second highest emitter—which contributed 11% of the global total'.
https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/

'China's total CO2 emissions exceeded those of the advanced economies combined in 2020, and in 2023 were 15% higher'.

It is still developing its CO2 output and Australia needs to pay for rising waters on China's military / fishing islands in South China Sea. This impacts China's border.

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Reply #6 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 11:32am

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 8:11am:

Climate change racket news:

China has led a call for developed countries, including Australia, to provide more than $US1.3 trillion ($1.8 trillion) a year to developing nations because of climate change.

The demand was made at the UN COP29 meeting in Baku, Azerbaijan, where countries have agreed to update an existing pledge of $100bn a year.

Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has been nominated to play a key role in the negotiations for what has been called the New Collective Quantified Goal.

Environment groups had called for a target of $US1 trillion a year. But a group of 77 developing countries, led by China, called for $US1.3 trillion a year in new, additional, adequate and affordable finance to address mitigation, adaptation and loss and damage.

A group of least developed countries wants at least $220bn a year and small island states, including Pacific nations, want a minimum of $39bn a year.

South American countries have yet to set a figure. China is not legally expected to contribute to the fund because it is considered a developing country.
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It is a shake-down racket.

1. A majority of climate scientists are telling us AGW-CO2 is a real and present danger. .

You happy to ignore them?

2. China is a middle income country.

The US - the world's richest high-income country, with its greed-based system of wealth distribution in which half its own citizens are living paycheck to paycheck - is a major part of the global funding problem.

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Reply #7 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 11:41am

chimera wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

'..in 2019, China’s annual emissions exceeded those of all developed countries combined. China alone contributed over 27% of total global emissions, far exceeding the US—the second highest emitter—which contributed 11% of the global total'.
https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/

'China's total CO2 emissions exceeded those of the advanced economies combined in 2020, and in 2023 were 15% higher'.

No doubt (developing) China's total contribution to CO2 emissions in the last 200 years is still less than the developed West's.

And last year China's output from renewables exceeded the rest of the world combined - and increasing. China is on track to reach peak CO2 emissions by 2030.

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It is still developing its CO2 output and Australia needs to pay for rising waters on China's military / fishing islands in South China Sea. This impacts China's border.

Yes.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21498 Gender:	Re: Climate change and national borders Reply #8 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:43pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 11:41am: And last year China's output from renewables exceeded the rest of the world combined - and increasing. And even more CO2 than ever before. So what is the recommended level of CO2?
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Reply #9 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

1. A majority of climate scientists are telling us AGW-CO2 is a real and present danger. .

What is this majority of climate scientists. You keep saying it. Do you actually KNOW or is it because you have been told?

"It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So"

Variously attribute to Mark Twain? Josh Billings? Artemus Ward? Kin Hubbard? Will Rogers? Edwin Howard Armstrong? Anonymous?

Wink

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