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Reply #45 - Sep 20th, 2024 at 4:22pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
... Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard to protect them. Didn’t have that in the late 1700’s.


The rapist disagrees.

President Trump made a bit of a historical blunder during his Fourth of July “Salute to America” speech Thursday when he said that the Continental Army “took over the airports” from the British during the American Revolutionary War in the 1770s.


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Reply #46 - Sep 20th, 2024 at 4:26pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 4:19pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
Long and beside the point.

IT IS
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

IS NOT
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people who are serving in a well regulated militia to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.


Sure, don't let recorded history get in the way of your opinion.

Can't have that.

SYLLABUS
OCTOBER TERM, 2009
MCDONALD V. CHICAGO


SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

McDONALD et al. v. CITY OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, et al.

certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the seventh circuit

No. 08–1521. Argued March 2, 2010—Decided June 28, 2010

Two years ago, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. ___, this Court held that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense and struck down a District of Columbia law that banned the possession of handguns in the home. Chicago (hereinafter City) and the village of Oak Park, a Chicago suburb, have laws effectively banning handgun possession by almost all private citizens. After Heller, petitioners filed this federal suit against the City, which was consolidated with two related actions, alleging that the City’s handgun ban has left them vulnerable to criminals. They sought a declaration that the ban and several related City ordinances violate the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. Rejecting petitioners’ argument that the ordinances are unconstitutional, the court noted that the Seventh Circuit previously had upheld the constitutionality of a handgun ban, that Heller had explicitly refrained from opining on whether the Second Amendment applied to the States, and that the court had a duty to follow established Circuit precedent. The Seventh Circuit affirmed, relying on three 19th-century cases—United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535—which were decided in the wake of this Court’s interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Privileges or Immunities Clause in the Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36.

Held: The judgment is reversed, and the case is remanded.

567 F. 3d 856, reversed and remanded.

   Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II–A, II–B, II–D, III–A, and III–B, concluding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. Pp. 5–9, 11–19, 19–33.

   (a)  Petitioners base their case on two submissions. Primarily, they argue that the right to keep and bear arms is protected by the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that the Slaughter-House Cases’ narrow interpretation of the Clause should now be rejected. As a secondary argument, they contend that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause incorporates the Second Amendment right. Chicago and Oak Park (municipal respondents) maintain that a right set out in the Bill of Rights applies to the States only when it is an indispensable attribute of any “ ‘civilized’ ” legal system. If it is possible to imagine a civilized country that does not recognize the right, municipal respondents assert, that right is not protected by due process. And since there are civilized countries that ban or strictly regulate the private possession of handguns, they maintain that due process does not preclude such measures. Pp. 4–5.

   (b) The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, originally applied only to the Federal Government, not to the States, see, e.g., Barron ex rel. Tiernan v. Mayor of Baltimore, 7 Pet. 243, 247, but the constitutional Amendments adopted in the Civil War’s aftermath fundamentally altered the federal system. Four years after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, this Court held in the Slaughter-House Cases, that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only those rights “which owe their existence to the Federal government, its National character, its Constitution, or its laws,” 16 Wall., at 79, and that the fundamental rights predating the creation of the Federal Government were not protected by the Clause, id., at 76. Under this narrow reading, the Court held that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only very limited rights. Id., at 79–80. Subsequently, the Court held that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government in Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller, 153 U. S. 535, the decisions on which the Seventh Circuit relied in this case. Pp. 5–9.

   (c) Whether the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applies to the States is considered in light of the Court’s precedents applying the Bill of Rights’ protections to the States. Pp. 11–19.
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Reply #47 - Sep 20th, 2024 at 5:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 4:26pm:
SYLLABUS
OCTOBER TERM, 2009
MCDONALD V. CHICAGO


SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

McDONALD et al. v. CITY OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, et al.

certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the seventh circuit

No. 08–1521. Argued March 2, 2010—Decided June 28, 2010

Two years ago, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. ___, this Court held that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense and struck down a District of Columbia law that banned the possession of handguns in the home. Chicago (hereinafter City) and the village of Oak Park, a Chicago suburb, have laws effectively banning handgun possession by almost all private citizens. After Heller, petitioners filed this federal suit against the City, which was consolidated with two related actions, alleging that the City’s handgun ban has left them vulnerable to criminals. They sought a declaration that the ban and several related City ordinances violate the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. Rejecting petitioners’ argument that the ordinances are unconstitutional, the court noted that the Seventh Circuit previously had upheld the constitutionality of a handgun ban, that Heller had explicitly refrained from opining on whether the Second Amendment applied to the States, and that the court had a duty to follow established Circuit precedent. The Seventh Circuit affirmed, relying on three 19th-century cases—United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535—which were decided in the wake of this Court’s interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Privileges or Immunities Clause in the Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36.

Held: The judgment is reversed, and the case is remanded.

567 F. 3d 856, reversed and remanded.

   Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II–A, II–B, II–D, III–A, and III–B, concluding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. Pp. 5–9, 11–19, 19–33.

   (a)  Petitioners base their case on two submissions. Primarily, they argue that the right to keep and bear arms is protected by the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that the Slaughter-House Cases’ narrow interpretation of the Clause should now be rejected. As a secondary argument, they contend that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause incorporates the Second Amendment right. Chicago and Oak Park (municipal respondents) maintain that a right set out in the Bill of Rights applies to the States only when it is an indispensable attribute of any “ ‘civilized’ ” legal system. If it is possible to imagine a civilized country that does not recognize the right, municipal respondents assert, that right is not protected by due process. And since there are civilized countries that ban or strictly regulate the private possession of handguns, they maintain that due process does not preclude such measures. Pp. 4–5.

   (b) The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, originally applied only to the Federal Government, not to the States, see, e.g., Barron ex rel. Tiernan v. Mayor of Baltimore, 7 Pet. 243, 247, but the constitutional Amendments adopted in the Civil War’s aftermath fundamentally altered the federal system. Four years after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, this Court held in the Slaughter-House Cases, that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only those rights “which owe their existence to the Federal government, its National character, its Constitution, or its laws,” 16 Wall., at 79, and that the fundamental rights predating the creation of the Federal Government were not protected by the Clause, id., at 76. Under this narrow reading, the Court held that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only very limited rights. Id., at 79–80. Subsequently, the Court held that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government in Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller, 153 U. S. 535, the decisions on which the Seventh Circuit relied in this case. Pp. 5–9.

Precisely. That was the crux of my argument. District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago are essentially the Roe v. Wade of the Second Amendment. Prior to these two landmark SCOTUS judgments, the prevailing legal interpretation of the Second Amendment focused more on the collective right of a well-regulated militia, rather than individual rights.

Your assertion that overturning Roe v. Wade was merely restoring the law to its natural state can, by the same logic, be applied to the Second Amendment. If these rulings were to be overturned, the Second Amendment would revert to its original meaning: the right to bear arms would not be infringed for those serving in a well-regulated militia.

You've inadvertently reinforced the point I was making, which I had thought was already evident—though perhaps not to all.

Regardless, I appreciate your engagement on this issue.

Of course, now all that remains is for SCOTUS to reverse these decisions, which, realistically, is highly improbable.
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Reply #48 - Sep 20th, 2024 at 7:44pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 5:20pm:
Your assertion that overturning Roe v. Wade was merely restoring the law to its natural state can, by the same logic, be applied to the Second Amendment. If these rulings were to be overturned, the Second Amendment would revert to its original meaning: the right to bear arms would not be infringed for those serving in a well-regulated militia.

You've inadvertently reinforced the point I was making, which I had thought was already evident—though perhaps not to all.

Regardless, I appreciate your engagement on this issue.

Of course, now all that remains is for SCOTUS to reverse these decisions, which, realistically, is highly improbable.


In 1973 the Roe v Wade SCOTUS decision was based on invalid presumptions of law that did not exist, therefore that's why the 2022 SCOTUS decision reversing Roe can't simply be reversed to be taken back from the States. If Abortion is to ever become a part of United States Constitutional Law it must be via a Constitutional Amendment, creating for the very first time a legitimate "Right to an Abortion".

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Reply #50 - Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
There is no 'Trump's abortion ban'.

Don't be a deranged zombie.





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Reply #51 - Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
There is no 'Trump's abortion ban'.

Don't be a deranged zombie.





keep your head up your arse sore end

Show us where Trump banned abortion, moronic thicko.
Go on. Gesticulate in your usual retarded way.
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Reply #52 - Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
There is no 'Trump's abortion ban'.

Don't be a deranged zombie.





keep your head up your arse sore end

Show us where Trump banned abortion, moronic thicko.
Go on. Gesticulate in your usual retarded way.


stay stupid, stupid
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Reply #53 - Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
There is no 'Trump's abortion ban'.

Don't be a deranged zombie.





keep your head up your arse sore end

Show us where Trump banned abortion, moronic thicko.
Go on. Gesticulate in your usual retarded way.


stay stupid, stupid

So you don't know, you just being your moronic, idiotic ignorant self.

Vibe on, moron. You are a living cautionary tale.

Thank you for your sacrifice.

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Reply #54 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

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Re: Trump's abortion ban kills woman in Georgia
Reply #55 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:02am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

Stay stupid, stupid Grin Grin


That does not mean he banned abortions, you stupid concreter.

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Re: Trump's abortion ban kills woman in Georgia
Reply #56 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:45am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:02am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

Stay stupid, stupid Grin Grin


That does not mean he banned abortions, you stupid concreter.



"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."

English not your first language?   Undecided
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Reply #57 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 10:11am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:02am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

Stay stupid, stupid Grin Grin


That does not mean he banned abortions, you stupid concreter.



"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."

English not your first language?   Undecided

He didn't ban abortions anywhere, clammy wanker

SCOTUS confirmed that abortion laws are in the legal domain of the state legislatures. 
Trump is not a state legislator so it is not in his power to ban or authorised abortions.


Fap on.

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Re: Trump's abortion ban kills woman in Georgia
Reply #58 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 10:12am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 10:11am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:02am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

Stay stupid, stupid Grin Grin


That does not mean he banned abortions, you stupid concreter.



"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."

English not your first language?   Undecided

He didn't ban abortions anywhere, clammy wanker

SCOTUS confirmed that abortion laws are in the legal domain of the state legislatures. 
Trump is not a state legislator so it is not in his power to ban or authorised abortions.


Fap on.




"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."


Which words don't you understand?
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Reply #59 - Jul 7th, 2025 at 11:18am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 10:12am:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 10:11am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:02am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:34am:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
So you don't know,


The only one who seems to be clueless is you

Even trump agrees it was his doing'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...

Stay stupid, stupid Grin Grin


That does not mean he banned abortions, you stupid concreter.



"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."

English not your first language?   Undecided

He didn't ban abortions anywhere, clammy wanker

SCOTUS confirmed that abortion laws are in the legal domain of the state legislatures. 
Trump is not a state legislator so it is not in his power to ban or authorised abortions.


Fap on.




"The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."


Which words don't you understand?

I'm not seeing "Trump bans abortion". Or even "SCOTUS and abortion".Do you??
No.

Fap on. Thicko will give you a hand, you seem to be tiring.

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