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Reply #60 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 11:20am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

quote author=Frank link=1726146015/6#6 date=1726191577]
I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity.

Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.

What could have transpired to lead to this?

Unless you weren't a part of their academic departments and in a more behind the scenes faculty role. But even so, by proximity, I would have expected more.

Although my own academic journey was limited to a Master’s and a Bachelor’s, which sufficed for my purposes, we were nevertheless instilled with the importance of critical analysis and the discernment of fact from fallacy, particularly within the sciences.

While I hold great respect and even a degree of envy for those who, having left school after Year 10 for a trade, are able to acquire their first home by the age of 25, at least within my circle of friends, those who chose that path lack the nuanced reasoning skills. This has been highlighted by their engagement with dubious content, such as the misinformation about square blood cells and other COVID related BS on Facebook.

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Student visa holders are responsible for the large majority of costly student misconduct cases driven by creative cheating methods such as artificial intelligence, with one university investigating 10 times the number of international students than domestic students.

There are now claims Labor’s international student caps could push quality foreign students away from Australian universities to other countries, exacerbating the problem.

At the University of Sydney, 999 of 1259 cases (close to 80 per cent) of student misconduct received by the Student Affairs Unit in 2023 identified student visa holders as respondents. That’s more than 10 times the number of cases for domestic students.

Most of these cases were related to academic misconduct, including online exam cheating detected through a proctoring service, and contract cheating due to the growth in AI cases, with the rest related to discrimination, bullying and harassment, according to Sydney University’s 2023 Annual Report of Student Misconduct.

Separate 2023 academic integrity data released by the university revealed almost 100 per cent of exam misconduct referrals to the Student Affairs Unit involved international students – with 616 relating to undergraduate students and 265 to postgraduate students.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/80-per-cent-of-students-misconduct-invol...

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Reply #61 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 11:21am

chimera wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

I wrote poetry with a small p, her words were poetic rather than mathematical. If she had said 'no rapes' or 'most of Jewish women in Israel' that would be demonstrably false. There's also a question, was she teaching the comment to uni students as a fact of current news or was it in the pub? The word 'mass' carries a sense of majority not minority. Do you say the majority of women were raped in the area of attack, a minority or you don't know enough to say how many?

Is this Tapdancing for Beginners, 101?

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Reply #63 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 12:21pm

The void of free speech are that media forums cut off free speech debate on subject causes using simple ‘as it happened’ awareness news of: domestic violence; gambling addiction; alcohol addiction; school education mental stresses punishes human thinking awareness; school education controls what humans believe using controlled stories propaganda examples using history’s political and present day news story’s short statement audience’s hurried poor thinking self-concluded simplified analogies favouring governing propaganda.

My constant posts argue school education long hours of forced labour mental stress are teaching children, continued into teenager years, to remember short streams of hurried through data to complete exams, so as students not to think whether data is truthful and or brain programming manipulative, and that any attempts to spend time to think whether data is to be doubted slows processing data onto blank text pages before time limits expire and or increased teacher must do tasks are piled on to existing forced tasks adding increased punishing memory functions mental stresses inducing a sense of repressed fight or flight getting angry behaviours.

Long term school education years of enduring mental stresses are continued as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.) often spoken about regarding retired military personnel yet not linked back to school education, that military service is about forcing soldiers to endure long periods of hardship under battle conditions, schooling is also about enduring long periods of hardship preventing individual human though remembering analogies so as to prevent self-discovering more rational reasons for imposed government forced labours during war often resulting in death, going to war against people in foreign lands, exampling Vietnam (can’t win wars using police action tactics) and or increased economic hardship such as RBA increasing interest rates after a period of lower interest rate property boom borrowing.

To many people believing they’re highly educated, the many hours experienced remembering data formulated to be analysed exampling studying and analysing Shakespeare, I suggest life away from above paragraph ideas having ended schooling, feeling being a winner over the many unsuccessful classroom competitors delusions to merely access a life of easier employment, narcissism feeling superior over others created to repress years of mental stress, believing in the system that educated them, the years of paying university fees, the prolonged debt, delayed marriage and birth of first child all must be justified by strong beliefs the governing system to be truthful and transparently honest.
Politicians personal integrity and introduced government legislation into parliament intended ‘not’ to pass having been blocked exampling resent housing blocked by Greens party is good propaganda for separation between political parties propaganda easily analysed by educated people to believe simple analogy beliefs.
I add, the Greens and Liberal Parties are following establishment instructions to block Labor Party attempts to be seen doing something about increasing housing supplies.

Where I strongly suggest several hundreds years of tuning school education since the end of Roman Catholic controlling laws domination invented stupid beliefs money scamming and heresy inquisition terrorism, present day school education allows humans to ‘feel happy’ to be held in the dark, believing an economic system of many business interests free market capitalism is responsible for economic health.
I recon society is more a military industrial society ruled from a top committee structure with many in between boardroom committees deciding whom gets what employment opportunities somewhat according to education degrees and school teacher and previous employer comments within the corporate and many off shoot entities: shops; clubs; pubs; entertainment venues…. structures, which people don’t believe exists (because they’ve not told such committee entities exists), especially the most narcissistic educated inner brain chemically rewarded for knowing everything achievers.

School students whom least succeed yet are forced to carry out school related tasks, whom can’t keep up with teacher forced tasks, display poor hand writing skills to be further marked down, being hurried to complete tasks, stress cortisol induced adrenaline inner brain fight or flight self-forced to repress displaying anger on being forced to complete more tasks, parents forcing children to complete homework tasks, long term many repressed angry teenagers commit crimes in revenge for school and parent authority abuses, yet no media forums contributing teenager youth crime towards school education forced labours, somewhat blame parents for poor child guidance.

The 6 months or more of listening to the ABC The Drum program during 2021, paid to appear guests including the few university educated psychologists all of whom have self-interests in returning to ABC forums for more paid commenting statements whom are going to follow scripted guidelines of what may be said on issues needing statements.

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Reply #64 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 12:23pm

Free speech is a myth occasionally stated on media as existing when selective topics are repressed. Organised street marches for striking workers over increased pay and street marches on Gaza are reported in news stories. I haven’t seen news stories about street marches being held on RBA increased interest rates squeezing money out of borrowers, protesting a false inflation fighting theory, probable protesters in fear of being jailed losing employment eventually losing home.

When introducing unknown ideas to people, people’s school learning stress repressed traumas having ended years ago are still present in subconscious fight or flight instant reaction memories, people having been school students added mental stress due to processing new data increased traumas were being repressed, after having left school learning forced tasks, new data brings to awareness those feared added onto existing tasks learning traumas anger. People introducing new ideas a significant push back inner brain fight or flight reactions openly displaying anger in order that new data flow will stop.
I have heard from paid by government to believe what they’re told, narcissist pride in they’re faked (racist; class pride) intelligence school teachers “schooling teaches youth to learn”. I say the opposite.

I had suddenly invented a theory that racist beliefs are increased due to separation of races and religions in schools. Students educated in separate schools exampling pre-1960s southern USA states laws on negro separation from white skinned people school education, Australian Catholic schools from public schools and now public school from private schools whom private school students eventual employment in good executive paying jobs, based on same private schools upper management came from. Theory being that students feel brain chemical rewarded believing being superior over others, school teachers encouraging students do better than other students in exams competitive spirit, overflowing into sports enthusiasm. Team spirit encourages group thought, group thought to win must have losers, that every other of none appearance to what groups are chosen are inferior. That some other group must be inferior to feel superior to feel narcissistic brain chemical rewards used to self-medicate depression PTSD.

Media news’ monthly reminder of angry men murdering women partners news readers sounding tone concerns, at the end provide help phone numbers, those above mentioned teenagers getting angry towards women teachers and parent mothers for forcing increasing tasks, confirmed by a spoken about retired primary school principle is a known idea by education department heads.
Media mentioned online bullying causing a number of young females to commit suicide I suggest has to do with teenagers whom feel demoralised by better achieving students within classrooms, fight and flight brains feel rewarded by demoralising other teenagers especially better achieving students. Human lost empathy for others would have been useful during times of war when having been given a weapon, told to kill or be killed.
Religion in the bible have Revelations at the end. Old Catholic religion would have said “women can have as many children as they like, yet a time will come when an Apocalypse event will bring back balance”.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 54231 Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #65 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 10:27am Why multiculturalism must be abolished: https://x.com/ChavuraStephen/status/1901846063650332929
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Reply #66 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

You raise a lot of valid points.

While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives.

This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control.

In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence.

It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment.

Not anymore it's not.

The exact opposite is happening as the indoctrination by leftist lecturers and professors continues at breakneck speed.

Critical thinking is 1 skill our University students are not being taught.

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

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Reply #67 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 11:46am

chimera wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Another example is Peter Ridd who was sacked from James Cook uni for abnormal views on the barrier reef and for misconduct. The judge said James Cook University had "not understood the whole concept of intellectual freedom".

Yes what JCU did to Peter Ridd was a travesty - they were protecting their funding - not their scientific integrity, which Ridd had exposed as false.

Science for hire/bought science - Climate Change Alarmism is where the money is at.

Same goes on at the CSIRO.

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

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Reply #69 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 11:58am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

I wish people could this into their HEADS !

1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a
Bill of Rights

Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO

2. Australia does NOT have a

treaty

with its indigenous people, so technically,
white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia.

Australia never was at war with Indigenous Australians.

That's why there isn't a treaty nor should there ever be one. Roll Eyes

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Reply #70 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 12:02pm

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

So did I, Soren, Universities, or at least the ones where I worked, valued free expression and freedom of speech. I worked at Left wing universities and Right wing ones and they were all similar. Occasionally I ran across some lunatic lecturer such as yourself but they were a minority, thankfully. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78083 Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #71 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 12:10pm Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 11:48am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am: I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades.. Head janitor were you More Mud Guido! you'll have to ask the janitor
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Reply #72 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 12:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

So did, Soren and Universities, or at least the ones where I worked, valued free expression and freedom of speech. I worked at Left wing universities and Right wing ones and they were all similar. Occassionaly I ran across some lunatic lecturer such as yourself but they were a minority, thankfully. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah you're one --- of the many that now infest our Universities.

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Reply #73 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 2:24pm

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NSW Premier Chris Minns says that repealing ‘hate speech’ laws would send a toxic message to the community, and admits that we don’t have U.S.-style free speech because he wants to preserve multiculturalism.

https://x.com/ausvstheagenda/status/1901779599945875855

Labor said free speech must be restricted to preserve multiculturalism

If multiculturalism is working why does free speech need restricting to preserve it?

Were we asked if free speech should be restricted to preserve the failure of multiculturalism?

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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